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As one would imagine ESPN sports radio was trashing the Knicks for the offer sheet to THJ this afternoon and we all agree 71mill is a crazy number. But then he mentioned that Atlanta backcourt showed impressive growth stat wise but then proceeded to switch back to the Knicks crazy offer. In any case i looked at the numbers and they are positive for a backcourt that has only played 1 year together and they are young 23 & 25 years old.

PG rankings: - Dennis  - > 14th in Scoring (17.9 ppg); 14th in FG % (45%), 13th in Ast (6.3), 13th Scoring Per 48min (27.3ppg)

SG rankings:-  Tim Hardaway Jr - > 16th in Scoring (14.5 ppg); 10th in FG % (45%); 13th Scoring Per 48mins (25.5ppg)

Now these are good numbers for a young backcourt,  and if they continued to improve we are talking a top 10 PG and SG in the league; but are they good enough to take a financial risk on staying together.  

With that said, I think the Hawks will let Tim Hardaway Jr walk....

11 hours ago, REHawksFan said:

Agreed.  And honestly, it just points to the fact that the NYK front office don't have a clue what they are doing. 

Well sure...they don't care about the money..its New York...They do have a potential superstar in the making at PF...so even when they lose on a deal like this they still beat us....smdh

9 hours ago, 615Hawk said:

So glad we have Hawks University so we can continue to develop players for other NBA teams to overpay for. 

At least we have Baze!

Sad but true...I do like THJ as a future piece of the Hawks but F#cK the Knicks - 4yr/71mill is pretty crazy

1 hour ago, Sothron said:

Rebuilding is never pretty. There will be a lot of truly ugly games next season. We need to....

#TrustTheRebuild

#TRustTheRebuild = from a team that has NEVER won anything, yet we are still holding on to this blind hope of getting lucky in the draft...I believe you posted this same thing during the BK years - yet here we are looking forward to a rebuild....smdh

5 hours ago, h4wkfan said:

This would be the worst defensive time of all time. 

This team is far from perfect that includes Defense but we are not starting from scratch in this proposed model...If we are going to tank completely it will be 4 to 5 years before we reach viable status again...I mean do you guys remember the BK years? 

4 hours ago, rd79 said:

I would have liked to see THJ staying on the Hawks. But since Baze isn't a real SF - I'd say he is a SG too - you can't spend $33M per on one position - unless it's a star. That's the reason we didn't keep Jeff.  If we somehow get rid of Baze I would be fine with matching. But two bad contracts - especially at one position? No thanks...

BTW Chess means to think in advance have more than one plan and stay flexible to be able to react to every move. What's your plan if we don't draft studs on PF and C? If that's the only plan it's not even checkers. It's marbles...

Not sure if you play chess or not, but moving back without a clear path forward loses the advantage. You don't move back and hope to find a starting young SG that avg 15pts when you already have one. Our GM has a big decision to make here, the logical choice would be to move Bazemore and Crawford while continuing to solidify our back court and see if our SF (Prince) and PF (collins) work out. 

To spell it out for you without using my consultant speak. 

PG- Dennis

SG - THJ

SF- Prince

PF- Collins

C- trade for Okafor

Make no mistake this is not a perfect roster, but it satisfies two area

- builds a young nucleus with potential, so if we were lucky enough to sell a Free Agent in the future (it will be appealing)

- gives Bud a chance to grow these young core, and use our draft picks to fill any gaps we may have at the Center position or PF slot. 

Just now, rd79 said:

Yeah Kent's deal is awful too, but there is no reason to have two overpaid borderline starters as wings...

You don't think Tim Hardaway, a 25year old shooting guard avg 15pts per game is worth starting for the Hawks?

I mean who are you waiting for? Ray Allen is not walking through that door, Klay Thompson is not walking through that door.....Some hawks fans dont get it - you want to go back to 2006 when we were hoping for a lottery win and couldn't get one free agent to come to ATL...With that said i agree the deal is slightly higher than i thought, but locking up Dennis and THJ, our backcourt for the next 4 years is a great idea. Then use the draft to find a future star PF, C or even more assets. This is CHESS not checkers

7 hours ago, Sothron said:

LOL worst deal  ever. Please let this guy walk.

LOL...what did THJ do to you...is that any worse than Bazemore's deal? WAKE UP!

19 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Agreed....Timmy improved both offensively and defensively the last 2 years and it would be a shame to let him get away. He is a worker and there isn't enough of that in the NBA these days.

Exactly, we should reward hard work and his ability to show improvement.....The market is set 4yr/50 - 55mil is the range.  Let's see if we resign him. 

6 hours ago, Flight said:

I think Nerlens may be one of the few players I'd be ok with seeing us Max, given his age and potential 

Potential? He averages 8pts a game and 5 rebounds in his 3rd year in the league...and you want to give him a Max contract....Wow...just Wow

2 hours ago, Thomas said:

Think a huge deal is that if Okafor is here then we pin a future on two bigs who at the moment don't play any D. Collins hasn't been coached at this level so we'll see how long it takes if it does take but Okafor has and its pretty scary bad. No one anywhere even gives him any props at all on D.

I would trade Plumlee and a 2020 future first rounder with lottery protection for him. If we are still wishing on our lottery prayers in 3 years then the Hawks have a greater problems.

4 hours ago, Sothron said:

Everyone here knows I love the low post game more than anything else in the NBA.

...and I still wouldn't trade for him. He is the big man version of Cuttino Mobley. He's instant offense on both ends. He gives no effort at all rebounding or defending. Absolutely can't have that esp. with a guy in Collins that was terribad in college at defending. We would have the worst defensive front court in NBA history.

You're acting as if the Hawks are contending for the ECF or even the playoffs. It's not like Okafor is 30years old, he is 21years. If he stayed in college he would be going into his Senior year right now at Duke.

We have a good coach, let him do his job and grow our talent...We are not a Franchise that is capable of attracting superstar talent...so the next logical point is to grow young talent and try to lock them up longterm once their potential begins to shine. 

4 hours ago, Sothron said:

Sign him to the max deal. Dallas is going to match but at least we force them to use up the cap space.

Great! And what do we get for Dallas's cap space? 

On 7/3/2017 at 5:29 PM, Sothron said:

I hope he leaves. I don't want him back on the team.

Is this a joke right? Who would you replace a 25year old player with 14pts a game with?

WAKE UP Hawks FANS!!!

Just now, phoostal said:

 Hell no

lol....you're right let's just keep Plumlee

Although, the verdict is still out on our new GM, we do know that coach bud is pretty good at developing players that buy-in to his system. Milsap, Carroll, THJ all improved under coach bud. Why not grow a young core instead of solely relying on the lottery dream. Plus the new practice facility will help :)

pg- Dennis / Dorsey

sg- THJ / 

sf- Prince/bemby 

pf- collins

C- okafor 

54 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Why do these folk continue to try to attack Schlenk without having all of their facts.  They were ready to burn him at the stake yesterday without seeing what will happen later. Then today he is involved in a trade that looks pretty good from our end.  The response from a team fan is that he is overmatched...A conclusion drawn from a poster who doesn't know the details of Crawford's contract.  I think this is a prime example of what Dolfan was saying yesterday.  The Atlanta fan is just different.

Will wait to see what the roster looks like at the end of the summer....He said we were not tanking yet all signs point to that...

16 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Crawford is set to make $14 million this year. There is a very small number of teams that would be willing to take Crawford's salary considering he is not a starter and below average defender. If we are stuck with Crawford, we will be on the hook for a significant portion of the cap hit (most probably the difference between $14 million (for 2 years) and whatever he signs with another team for). That hit can be stretched over any number of 7 years but using the stretch provision is really not something you want to do in a rebuild as it hinders future dealing.

 

I am not a fan of this trade unless a trade partner can be found for Crawford that brings back young talent. The 1st rounder from Houston will most likely be between 25-30. This is not a great asset for taking on $28 million in salary. The trade-off is too great. Schlenk seems over-matched. I'll reserve judgement to see how the Crawford part works out but thus far I am not impressed.

A buyout is likely - unless our good friends in New York or 76ers help us out...

5 minutes ago, ATLHawks3 said:

Still being proposed. This deal isn't done yet.

Finalizing what to do with Crawford... buyout or find a 4th team to route him and his salary.

1 minute ago, BrazilianHawk said:

YAY! Definitely NOT tanking!

LOL...yea our rookie GM needs to be honest with the fans...We are tanking...

4 minutes ago, BrazilianHawk said:

Yup. But Jamal doesn't even want to get to Atlanta. LOL. I wonder why.
 

This franchise is something, really.

 

 

Jamal wants to win, not be apart of any rebuilding effort. We get a 1st round pick and a Center for Bud to develop. Now this is not exciting news, more of a relief that we got something back in return..

Rookie GM grade so far = C-

Well atleast we get a 1st rounder out of Milsap....Hawks appear to be going the 76ers route of stacking draft picks. 

"Can confirm reported proposed 3-way trade between ATL-DEN-LAC. Hawks: Jamal Crawford, Diamond Stone and 1st-round pick. Crawford won't play."

https://twitter.com/CVivlamoreAJC

1 hour ago, ATL_BALLER said:

For the first time in a long while, we have:

• Stable, committed ownership
• A world-class head coach
• A well-regarded GM who helped architect a dynasty
• No crippling contracts (Plumlee and Baze are overpaid, but not immovable)
• A sensible strategy built on flexibility to pounce when the time is right (ala Houston with Harden)
• Three solid young pieces as a new foundation
• An end to the 'treadmill' so many here have been begging for

What am I missing?

A well regarded GM who helped architect a dynasty - > FALSE - at best he is an understudy with a good recommendation letter. 

Our new GM, was the assistant to Bob Myers and worked under a guy by the name of Jerry West...So he is a rookie who hopefully learned something before coming to ATL...with that said it's way to early to judge him at this point.

Not offering Millsap anything was disrespectful and his first failure- let's see how he handles the rest of the summer. 

Collins draft pick was good though!

19 minutes ago, JTB said:

That's disappointing! I hate this if it's true 

Many Hawks fans don't understand what ' the market' means in business.....The market sets the value, now some teams for example the Kings will pay above the market value for a player (such as Porter's Max contract 4yr/106mil)..

The market for Baze was in the 14- 17mill dollar range last year...So the question the front office needs to determine is what Will BE  the market for an improving 25year year SG avg 14.5pts per game.... For an indication of the current market for guards Patty Mills signed a 4yr/50mill

If I were the GM i would lock in Hardaway for about 4yr / 60mill contract; so we can solidify our backcourt for the next 4 years; thereafter we can see what we get out of Dorsey, etc., and cross that bridge when we get there... 

3 hours ago, Watchman said:

We have such a classy organization.  Wow.  That is pathetic.  Even if you had no intention of re-signing him, at least express some thanks to the guy.  Unbelievable.

Agreed...And fans want to know why free agents don't want to come to ATL.

Atleast make him a small offer 3yr/70 mill, sure he would of turned it down but show an attempt.....The misery continues in Atlanta