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30 minutes ago, gsuteke said:

I'm 100% behind signing Howard.  We haven't had a legit Center since Tree Rollins.  And he took a modest contract compared to what Conley and Batum etc got.

im OK with Horford going to Boston.  If he didn't feel like the Hawks organization coddled him enough then kick rocks.  We move on with the living and forget the dead.

what I can't get over is that stupid ass contract they gave to Bazemore that limits what we can do now in FA and will keep us from going after bigger fish next year too.

that contact was a very poor decision IMO you made him (coach bud) let him walk and sign a guy for 1/3 of the price and make him the next multi millionaire.

The Market dictates the $$$.  ...3 teams actually offered him 4yr/ 72million....So it's not like Hawks Management pulled a number out of a Hat. 

Ownership did a great job this offseason, In the end Horford wanted to leave. 

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   Brian Windhorst ‏@WindhorstESPN  11m11 minutes ago

   Hawks offer to Al Horford topped out at $136 million over 5 years, sources said.

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I'm not cool with letting Al  walk this year, then Sap walk next year.  Not good basketball sense.

(FYI  - paying Sap at 32 is also not an option)

Here's a question - can Sap be extended? @hawksfanatic

SAP will be gone next season...hence why were exploring trades with him. Horford does throw a huge wrench into those plans by bolting. 

9 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

All I see is  lateral movement with that lineup.  I've always said I wanted Dwight WITH Al AND Sap, not in lieu of either, and on top of that no Teague.   So it's essentially Teague and Horford for Dwight -  that just doesn't sit right  with me.

I don't want to let  Al leave for nothing, that's  just too good of an asset, particularly with so many teams wanting him. (I was OK letting Josh leave for nothing). 

Put it this way, we are better off with Al in the lineup than not.

Calm down people...If Horford wants to walk...let him go and move on.  Good job on ownership to atleast making a huge effort this offseason. I must say I'm not use to Atlanta actually making noteworthy moves. After the free agency period subsides, I would expect ATL to make a trade for an impactful small forward and backup PG help.  More moves will be made before October people. Calm Down...

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/basketball/hawks-made-very-significant-offer-to-horford-still/nrrNH/

Looks like our Ownership group went all in this Free Agency...Now it's up to Horford.

Go Hawks!

18 minutes ago, LamarHampton said:

I have never really believed the hype about an issue over the fifth year, I truly can't see Bud making an issue of that. Made up imho. Would be waaaay too silly of a hang up at this point.

Luxury Tax is probably the concern for the owners. Dwight will bring in the ratings if he stays healthy, b/c the media loves the coming home story. BUT, if we get into the Luxury tax and don't win, then we are no better off.

The silver lining is Milsap will opt out next summer anyway so it will be Luxury Tax for one year....We will learn a lot about our new owner in  a few days. He has built a new practice facility, but is he also willing to enter luxury tax threshold for a team.

Depends on how well THJ and the two rookies step up next season., plus if our Bigs stay healthy

THJ has more upside that Bazemore...We saw in flashes last season...Let me play!

GO BLUE!  and GO HAWKS!

YOUR MOVE ATL...CELTICS FLYING TO ATL TO SIGN HORFORD

http://www.celticsblog.com/2016/7/1/12083362/free-agency-rumor-celtics-will-offer-al-horford-max-contract

Just now, RWF said:

Your implying Horford stays. We have to see 1st. I don't want to lose him for nothing.

I would think if he wants to leave then we invoke a sign & trade so he can get that 5th year....

16 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

We have about $6  mil left after Al's caphold  and  I've figured $22 for  D12, so if Splitter is traded that's $14 for Baze.

I trust in Bud's system. It's proven with the development of Caroll and Baze.  We have THJ, Prince, and Bembry... I think we are set at the Small Forward Position.

Horford is the key...We have to keep him away from Celtics. 

2 minutes ago, RWF said:

Forget Baze.

 

If he wants to leave, sign and trade Horford to Thunder for Sabonis and what the hell ever. Or if he wants to go to the C's, get Jaylen Brown.

 

Jaylen Brown can't shoot and please tell me you watched the draft? We have two SFs already. Baze is a great team player, but smart money is he takes the 70m contract that teams are throwing his way...

Horford and Dwight.......could that resemble  Tim Duncan and David Robinson ?

https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/749014173003214848

May the Odds be forever in your favor Horford!

6 minutes ago, MrYellow said:

Why is everyone so focused on sitting Korver?

Can't you read the stats?

The playoffs alone prove Korver should come off the bench as THJ is more athletic  and can create his own shot better than Korver. But in any case if we have this dominant front court, then open 3pt shots will come regardless of who starts at the SG spot. 

Let me first start by saying I'm not a fan of cry baby Howard, nor paying Horford the Max.  But it is time for the Atlanta Hawks to really roll the dice to prove to it's fans and to the league that we are serious about winning a championship....I realize this move puts Milsap coming off the Bench like Iggy in Golden State. Imagine us playing a platoon system, bringing these two back together will bring intense excitement to the media starve Atlanta Hawks, plus if healthy we basically stake our claim to the ECF and maybe then we can give the Cavs a good series. 

PG- Schröder / Jarrett Jack

SG- THJ / Korver

SF- Thabo / Prince / Bembry

PF- Horford / Milsap

C -   Howard / Splitter /Muscala

AND YES WE LET BAZEMORE WALK...and Move Korver to the bench

Just now, RWF said:

I would be down for a Derozan/Sap swap, but would Derozan?

Only with an extension....we can have two max players....still dont think we should Max Horford

Ton of rumors out there circulating.....we are definitely trying to package the our 1st rounders to move.....probably targeting Brown or Bender. 

Depending if Bud sees any benefits in bringing in the Spoiled Dwight Howard back home, then a trade for SAP  (+ filler) is very likely to Toronto for Derozan. 

ALL Rumors by NBA sports analyst who are bored now that the finals are done. 

PG- Dennis

SG-Derozen  / THJ

SF-Bazemore / Brown

PF- Horford

C- Howard

NO

3 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

True,  but if our PG, PF and C play up to their capabilities their non impact would  be felt less.

 

It is time to trade Horford! 

6 hours ago, macdaddy said:

As long as Bud is here I don't see a massive overall.   I think we'll keep tweaking and keep continuity.  

Same ole Hawks if we don't try to shake things up......How many years will we accept mediocrity..

with that said I think we make moves....Korver maybe gone too

9 hours ago, Trout7 said:

I don't think we would win more with Blake Griffin.

Yes, but the marketing team /owner would love it financially and it brings star power to our team at a slightly younger age. 

8 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

What do you considsr a decent  contract for Bazemore?  

The Hawks will probably just let Bazemore walk and sign Harrison Barnes to an offer sheet.  We can't pay Al Horford a max contract, if we do the Hawks will be a perennial 4th seed in the East. 

I expect a lot of movement this summer for Atlanta.

The Hawks management obviously loves Horford, Korver and Bazemore, but I would be surprise if the Hawks keep those 3 together.  If i had to choose i would say Bazemore stays on a decent contract; but at this point it makes no sense to sign Horford to a big contract. He is a great guy, good player, but if you Max a player it better be a superstar.....I wonder if the Hawks break the mold and try to pursue Blake Griffin for Horford  (sign & trade deal) or something similar. 

If the series doesn't go 6....Does it make sense to keep together a team that is 2nd or 3rd best in the East? The business side w/new ownership probably points to NO.

 GO HAWKS, but change is near...and I expect Horford to be GONE>>>>>>>>