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So finally we have

Teague/Pargo/Sloan/Kirk Hinrich

JJ/TMac/Green/Stackhouse

Marvin/Radmanovic

Josh Smith/ Ivan Johnson

Horford/Zaza/Collins

Am I the only one who sees too many guards locking a spot on the roster and not bringing anything to the team like Stackhouse or Sloan? There are 8 GUARDS!!!! Has anyone seen anything on Sloan???

We are really thin at the frontcourt, why not keep Benson??? why not send him to the D-League? Come on 6'11" and a blocking machine and you waive him?

I would cut 2 guards to sign 2 bigs, One center and one PF.

For the record Manny Harris has been cut and so Greg Smith. Harris would be better than Green and Greg Smith perhaps could do something for us, I just don't get it.

I think right now it should be:

1. Miami

2. Chicago

3. NY

4. Boston

5. Indiana

6. Atlanta

7. Orlando

8. Milwaukee/Washington

I cannot think why anyone on this board would think we are better than NY, Douglas, Fields, Carmelo, Amare and Chandler, no way we can compete with that starting 5, however they lack depth, that could be one advantage for us, anyway I think at the end they will have a better record.

Boston is still better than us, Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, O'Neal, Green, Bass, Wilcox... I don't think we go ahead of them, they keep the same core and we are worse this year without Crawford.

Indiana has improved a lot, I think the addition of Mayo and West put them ahead of us, plus they have more depth, they clearly improved while we are the worse, Indy will pass us.

Collison > Teague

Granger = Johnson

Mayo > Marvin

West = Smith

Hibbert = Horford, anyway for a Center perhaps is even better Hibbert

The clear advantage for them is on the bench

Hill

Paul George

Brandon Rush

Tyler Hansbrough

Jeff Foster

is way better than Hinrich, McGrady, Radmanovic, Pachulia and Collins, not talking about upside where they have a clear advantage over us, many of their players are growing and have not touch their limit, Collison, Mayo, Hibbert, Paul George, Hill, Tyler Hansbrough... they will be better than us for years to come.

The only thing that can put us again on the mix is

- Players know each other

- Defense, if they are able to play consistently the same defense they played on the playoffs.

- Teague factor, if he is able to reproduce on a regular season the same stats he put on the playoffs, he can be the real difference to be better than we are. If that is the case perhaps he could be better than Collison, right now until he proves he can do it we cannot say that.

- FA signing, SG that can score on the bench and a Quality big.

He has been waived by Clippers, I think he could be a nice addition for the Hawks and a good replacement for Josh Powell, he could provide rebounding and scoring inside. What do you guys think? I don't think we can get any decent center out there.

I hope it's true for two main reasons:

- 1st, we get a quality replacement for Crawford, a scorer off the bench and a 3pt threat.

- 2nd, Atlanta is a team quality FA consider, that would be a huge step forwards compared to past years.

McGrady could also help to add other veterans looking for an opportunity on the playoffs. Again I hope it's true but I really really doubt it, I have on confidence on the Hawks been able to bring him or any FA like him.

Seems that Greg Smith will attend Heat camp, it's a shame we would be also a great fit here.

I would sign McCamey and Lightly, both fills need on the roster, 3rd PG and a defensive specialist on the wing.

Some more information on them, McCamey has good assist to TO ratio and provides three point shooting, something we really need

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Lightly can do a little bit of everithing, best A/TO ratio of all wing prospects, best steal avg and a defensive specialist, he also shoots with acceptable percentages and has good PER, I would love to see him on Hawks roster.

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I think we should target either of

Marshon Brooks - "he who's name shall not be mentioned" II

Keith Benson - Legit center, needs to add strength but a good shotblocker

Jeremy Tyler - Big with good potential

Demetry McCamey - Good PG, has not had a brilliant season but could become a good backup

I think we have good chances of having at least one of them wih our 2n rounder, any of them could contribute next season, perhaps Jeremy Tyler could need some time to develop

That was exactly my point, if he proves he is healthy he will be demanding more thant 3 M$ a year, now we could sing him for a reasonable contract for 2 or 3 years and hope he is healthy enough.

He could be a great addtion to our team and while is not as good on defense as Marvin is definately better than Jamaal an a good scorer.

14,4ppg, 5 rpg, 1, 6 apg, 1,3 3pt, 0,8spg, 0,7 bpg while shooting 0,464% and 0,448% from 3 pt is better than any of the bench players we have had on last 10 years not named Crawford and can be signed cheaper

He could be signed to reasonable contract, provide scoring off the bench, explosiveness and some defense, he would be a great upgrade over our bench, could challenge Marvin for the starting job and could make Jamaal expendable, he would be a great fit here, in my opininion better than Brewer and Thornton, thoughts?

On the last games since Bibby left Teague is

+6 against Denver

+5 against Portland

+24 against GS

-5 against Phoenix

In fact yesterday Denver cut the lead when Jamal replaced him at PG. Definately he is struggling on the offensive end but is playing well enough defensively 1, 4 SPG to earn the minutes. I would keep him on the starting lineup giving him around 25 minutes to develop him if he keeps playing the same way. I still think he can become a good offensive player.

The deal seems to be Bibby, Evans and Jordan Crawford for Hinrich and Hilton Amstrong, source rotoworld

The key points:

- We need an upgrade at PG badly.

- There are a lot of good PG available on a trade: Felton, Sessions, Harris, Brooks, A. Miller, Mo Williams... that would be definately an upgrade over what we have.

- We have the assets to get it done: Huge expiring contract (Crawford), young SF with no so huge contract that could flourish on other team (Marvin), Young talent (Teague), picks....

I just say: Sund get it done and do a deal.

I would say my preferred options would be:

- First round pick for Brooks.

- Crawford for Harris

- Mo and Teague for Sessions

He was considered one of the top talents of last years class. He had an inconsistent season on Minny last year and is clearly behind Ridnour and Rubio who will come next year. He is still a great PG prospect and would be a great addition for us.

Would you do Jamaal Crawford for Johnny Flynn and Martell Webster or C. Brewer, we could even include a 1st rd pick on the trade.

For the Hawks is a no brainer, we get our PG of the future for a SG that will leave us next year. Flynn provides us the so much needed PG.

Minny gets the starter SG they need and a veteran leader for their rebuilding process. They can choose to resign him or let the 10M$ come off the books, they also clear the jam at the wings and a 1st rd pick.

Jeff needs to demonstrate better decision making on the court before he plays more than 18 min/game. Give him 30 minutes and his A/TO ratio will be close to 1 and that's not good.

I'm just not seeing what people see in Teague honestly. He looks more like a career backup than a meaningful starter. Hope I'm wrong.

I think is just the opposite, when Teague has been given meaningful minutes he is improving his A/TO ratio. In the last 5 games when he has played twice 18 min he has averaged 7 ppg, 4 apg, 1 TO. On the rest of the games he hasn't even achieve 10 min. Of course his decision making needs to improve, he is playing his first true NBA season and is going to make mistakes, he has to learn the game... but the kid can penetrate, defend and dish the ball, he has the tools to become a good NBA player.

The key point is that we are not going to win less games if we play Jeff, there are many games where Mike has done nothing to win the game, we have had enough lead and he remains on the floor, it has no sense. In fact I cannot even believe he has not played 30 minutes in one game this season!!!!

Mike has become more a shooter than a PG, the ball is more often on Joe and Jamal's hand, the PG on this team is not the typical distributor and that opens even more opportunities for minutes for Teague as he is not going to be pressured to lead the offense. In fact I really don't like it as I understand that is going to be very difficult to develop a PG under these circunstances.

And for all of you who don't believe he has to play closer to 30 Min at least in some games I will bring back the fist season of one player. 23,5 MPG, 6,4PPG, 3,8 APG, 1,8 TO, 1,6 SPG. His name? Rajon Rondo. Don't you think Jeff could put even better stats, except Steals??

You will never have a true PG if you don't invest time on developing him.

We need to develop this guy!!! Bibby is playing well, but his defense is poor and we get destroyed by opposing PG. He is getting old, need a replacement and giving him rest on some games would allow to keep him fresh for when is needed.

Jeff is beginning to play well when is given the chance, is not the same as the beginning of the season when he was struggling.

There have been games as Bucks game where he could have played 30 minutes and still win the game but he isn't, at the end what can we loose? We will still win the game and give Mike some rest.

We need to develop him and give him playing experience, we need him for the playoffs, how can we stop Felton, Rondo, Nelson, Rose, Jennings, Holiday or Collison? Bibby is not going to do it.

I think Jeff could average 11 ppg, 5,5 apg, 1spg if given 30 mpg, that is enough for me for our starting PG on his first true NBA season.

Thoughts?

I asked for it last April and then bring the topic back some weeks ago:

PLEASE SIGN JOSH BOONE!!!!!!!!!!

SIGN JOSH BOONE!

He would be definately an upgrade over Zaza, Collins and Powell, he is still young and could develop into a fantastic role player. Rebounds, blocks, defense... Josh can provide it all

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Just wanted to bring again the topic, please SIGN JOSH BOONE!!! I think is the best available big out there, can rebound, block some shots, play defense and is still young and could develop into something better, do you really want to try Collins, Morris or Joe Smith again? Please!!!!

I would complement Boone with Earl Barron also.

Is Kwame still available?

Yes, but no Kwame please, he is awful

Exactly, no point in over paying him just so the fans can be satisfied in mid July. Let this thing ride out and see what happens. We still have a shot to get him and at a much better price. I agree w/ the owners, a 36 year old Shaq that wants to start isn't worth going into the luxury tax.

If he is going to lower his demands I don´t think we have any chance of signing him. If you still think that we have a shot at him after all the talk and the Hawks refusing to overpay for him either you don´t know Shaq or is not the same Shaq I have known for years. My guess is that he signs for a contender for 4-5 M$.

How did a 36 year old 6-11 225lb. Rasheed Wallace do against Dwight in the playoffs? I'm not saying Thomas would get 30MPG. I'm just saying he could get 15MPG and be almost as effective as Shaq on the defensive side. He gave Horford (an All-Star) fits in our series against Milwaukee. He's aging, but definitely still has something left in the tank.

You must be joking if you intend to compare Kurt Thomas vs Rasheed Wallace. Rasheed has been a reference Center 10 years on the league, Kurt is no more than a backup, he will be destroyed by Dwight, we have zero chances with him, at leas the other two have some size.

I completely disagree about Kurt Thomas. Thomas is a dirty vet. He's a Bruce Bowen kind of guy. The kind you hate to play against but the one you love on your team. He won't do anything to light up the stat sheet, but he can play good man defense in the post and get under the skin of many players.

Kurt Thomas is a 37 year old 6-9 post player, if we want to face Dwight we must do better than that

Taking into account the cap space available I would say that I would go with Josh Boone and Earl Barron. Both can be signed cheap, no more than 3M$ for both and provide size, defense and rebounding.

Josh Boone is stil young can rebound, block some shots and score in the post, he is more than a decent backup at PF an C

Barron made a good job on the final games at NY, is a legit 7 footer and can rebound and play defense.

I want nothing with Kwame Brown and Kurt Thomas, we will have to pay more for them and will not provide any difference with this two.

Other option would be Tolliver but he is not a good defender, I think is redundant with Horford and Josh Smith.

Go throughout the league. Find all the players that played int he last 4 allstar games. Realize that our fanbase has never been strong enough to get Joe voted onto the allstar team like Yao Ming's does. Joe is usually picked by a the coaches of the league. That is more legitimate than the starters who are voted on by the fans. The coaches look at the list and say... what one guy who is left always gives me problems in my gameplan? For the last 4 years, Joe Johnson's name has appeared on this list. Interestingly, Josh Smith's, Bibby, and Crawford's name haven't come up on this list yet. Joe's have. I think that legitimizes Joe. Wait, have you found those players yet?? You know the ones that were playing in the last 4 allstar games? It's interesting because when you find them, write their names down here for all to see. Then let's talk about money.

Joe is not worth that money, there are at least 25 players on the league better than him and they do not have max deals. Joe's fair value could be around 12M$ but 20M$?? That's simply too much and kills any way of improving the team, there is not going to be any money to sign any other player so basically we are as good as we will be next 6 years.

He has proven nothing on the playoffs, his numbers vs Orlando were horrible, he can not lead a team to a title run.

If he signs this deal we are going to be overpaying a lot for a guy that is going to take us nowhere, forget about any hope and dream. This situation reminds me Alan Houston and his horrible contract, same situation as we are and as happened with Alan this is not going to get better, he is already 29 and is at his prime.

What's up fellow Hawk fans first time poster. ...Hotlanta Im with you this team needs to be rebuilt ..

Im have talk to my boy KD about this for a minute. We part ways with Joe Johnson im hoping we dont offer him a max contract he has been putrid in the playoffs and is not a max contract type player .

Im for asking New Orleans for Darren Collision..to make it work I think we would have to take the contract of Oakafor ..(which im not thrilled abaout ) but least he can play C for us

we send them Josh Smith and Marvin Williams.. its basically bad contracts for one bad contract and promising young pg

PG Darren Collision

SG Jammal Crawford

SF Jordan Crawford( draft this kid either move up and package picks)

PF Al Horford

C Emeka Okafor.

Now that line up isnt much to thrive at we would probably be on the bubble of making playoffs next year but it's not really that big of a deal ..Were not going to win a championship with our current squad regardless so why not clean house and rebuild

By 10/11' off season we try and make a run at Carmelo Anthony ...with cap coming off the books like Crawford

Why would Carmelo come to Atlanta .??????

well with Collision/Horford/Jordan Crawford..thats a nice young nucleus add Carmelo puts as contender

Carmelo has his record label here

we will have cap

his wife is friends with alot of Atlanta People and loves the city

2011 Atlanta Hawks roster

PG Darren Collision

SG Jordan Crawford

SF Carmelo Anthony

PF Al Horford

C Oakfor

thoughts

I like the Collison idea, this one would be a good trade but I don´t know if NO would do it as they already have David West and Josh Smith plays the same position. Anyway I think they could still do Marvin for Collison straight, they have a big hole there.

I also think we are not going to win a title with these players and is probably better to trade now that they have value than wait till the rest of the league realizes about that.

We have some bad contracts (Bibby, Zaza) with others that are not so bad (Smith and Marvin). I would try to get rid of all of them and sign a true star for the Max, Joe is not that kind of star. Here is a possible scenario

Sign Amare or Bosh

Trade Josh Smith and Marvin for Devin Harris and Terrence Williams. NJ would do it, they need a PF and Marvin can cover the SF position.

S&T Joe Johson and Bibby for James Harden and Ibaka

Draft Elliot Williams

Sign Reggie Williams

Sign Josh Boone

Sign Leon Powe

Harris/Teague

Harden/Crawford/E. Williams

T. Williams/R. Williams

Horford/Powe/Boone

Amare/Ibaka/Zaza

You all say that we cannot burn the team and have no depth, this team has depth and there are cheap FA we could sign to play here for less than 2M$ as R. Williams, Boone, Powe and some others, we can have depth and cheaper than our current team