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1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

My point exactly.  I guess it's the 'absolute nature' with which I see some comments are being presenting that gives me pause.

No question. Look no further than previous draft discussions that were framed in absolutes. The majority of those opinions turning out to be completely erroneous.

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

But I keep hearing there are no stars in this draft. So which is it?

It could be either. Draft outcomes are extremely hard to predict. 

12 minutes ago, JTB said:

Are you able to share details of the potential SA trade ?

if not completely understand 

4 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

There are enough people that thought Ayton and Bagley were better draft prospects than Luka for me to know that nobody, including the paid professionals, really knows anything at the end of the day.

Seriously, this draft is one of the least predictable ever, and drafts by rule are unpredictable (the outcomes, that is). No one has any idea who will be good. Nobody. 

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

The best chance to keep Trae is more about how we reshape the rest of the existing roster and how willing we are to avoid the cost cutting route that has plagued this team - not 2 rookies. I mean we had the #4 and #10 picks (in a better draft) not too long ago, now we're circling that wagon again.

Draft picks are how you get star players. You have to get lucky, that's the only way. 

Does Risacher have anything to offer besides shooting? Seems like a reach at #1. 

9 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Not surprised you have a sympathetic space in your cold dead heart for Harden.

I imagine he's a kindred spirit of yours or sorts, considering his off-court rep. 

He can party with the best of them, no question about it. 

1 minute ago, macdaddy said:

100%.  8 years of all star selections, first team all nba and an mvp.  

Forcing his way out, and then forcing his way out yet again, and yet again in multiple trades. Yea, that's not going to help your rep. 

5 hours ago, Afro said:

And I don't use the Harden comps as a slight. Harden was a damn good player and a HOFer. 

But Lukas reputation is wildly beyond what Hardens was at any point. And its weird. 

Outside of the very obvious foul baiting Harden used to score 40 a night.....they play almost identically? 

But Luka is the great white hope and gods gift to basketball while Harden was a dirty foulbaiting ballhog who played 0 defense. 

That's only his reputation in retrospect, at the height of his powers Harden was revered and lauded. If he had won a title or two he would have cemented his status as an all time great. If Luka does not win a title in the next 3 to 4 years, then forces his way by trade to multiple different teams with no title at any spot, rest assured his shine will start to dim. Its not about race dont even go there.

4 hours ago, Jody23 said:

 

He barely even has a French accent he speaks English. 

1 minute ago, REHawksFan said:

35 games? Really?

He has 200 games in the 3 years prior in SAS where he avg 16pts on 14 FGA and 6 ast. 

He's a scoring guard and a dang good one but he's not making the guys around him better. He's not creating for others.  The assessment is both quantitative and qualitative. 

 

 

With the Hawks, without Trae , he has averaged 9 assists a game. That's an outstanding number. How is that not creating for others? Are you being intentionally obtuse? So Trae's assists count , but Murray's don't. Got it. 

10 minutes ago, Sothron said:

I would be shocked if they trade #11. 

Probably not. It's tough to get value back in a trade, plus he has a strong relationship with the Ressler family. 

12 hours ago, REHawksFan said:

[] There's no logical argument that DJM is as good or "only slightly less than" Trae.  You can't make one. 

If you want to talk roster building, there's no rule that says Trae has to be the best player on the team. But this idea that you can just swap Trae for DJM and be just as well is ridiculous. 

Do you know what Dejounte's career Hawks numbers are when Trae is out? 25.1 points, 8.9 assists, 5.7 rebounds. That's 35 games, hardly a small sample size. I don't what metrics you are using, but statistically he has provided reasonably similar production while Trae is out. I guess your argument is qualitative, not quantitative. 

5 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Not this again. Sigh!

This is the Hawks existential crisis. Trae/Murray debates can only be avoided so long. 

22 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

So because the Hawks win a few games against injured and or bottom feeder teams, that means DJM is not much different than Trae? 

That's some real bad logic there. Trae has 2 ELITE skills (passing and playmaking) while DJM is not ELITE at anything. He's above average at a lot of things but not elite. 

There's maybe one offensive skill that DJM is better than Trae at (finishing at the rim). He's also the better defender but even that's by just a small margin. 

Trae us a Top 20 player in the NBA. DJM is Top 50-65 player. 

Like many others, you ignore Trae's flaws. His career FG % is .436. That's not good. He misses too many shots. He just does. That's not going to change. How do you win a championship when your best player is a .436% shooter? Trae has to be a number 2, so he can take less shots and take better shots. Kyrie couldn't win as a number 1. It's just tough for smaller guards to be a number one option. Can Murray be a number 1? No, absolutely not, but he can put up Trae like numbers at a lesser salary, and he can capably guard his position. Overall, Murray's style might not be as flashy or as aesthetically pleasing as Trae's, but his numbers and overall impact on winning is probably comparable.

4 minutes ago, AHF said:

I do think you have to move one of Trae or DJM and I expect not to get equal value back.  I expect to take a hit on the trade but it shouldn’t be egregious like some of the offers we’ve seen rumored in the past.  Coming into next year with both of them is a recipe for bad basketball and that won’t raise either players trade value.  But I don’t think trading both of them makes sense.  Taking a hit on one trade to remove a terrible fit is one thing.  Taking a hit on trades for two good players and creating a void at that position is just bad asset management.

It's tough to speculate because we don't know what deals are out there. Murray is probably the easier player to trade due to his contract. People should take a long at Murray's numbers while Trae was out. Very productive, almost comparable to Trae's in some respects. I reject the notion that Murray is vastly inferior to Trae. 

1 hour ago, Jdawgflow said:

We do too. Most of the time it is very nice as notes get done much quicker. the downside is when you’re trying to find something from a different clinic and they have to fax it over.

Notes written by hand are more personal. On computer some people use templates or saved general standard notes to save time. Also with computer charting some people just click on things without really thinking about it. 

1 minute ago, Jdawgflow said:

Just go back to paper charting!

Paper charting rules. We have it where I work. 

19 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Wow!  Say what you want about the Hawks.  At least we aren't the f***ing Lakers right now.

"Dan, you're gonna have to play Bronny. That's not negotiable." Now headed on first flight back to Connecticut. 

10 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Anyone want to discuss Luka's complete lack of effort on defense in this series?

He's playing with injuries. Boston's depth is really hard to overcome. With KP in the line up, it would tough for anyone to beat them in a series. 

21 minutes ago, AHF said:

The key is the GM making the call and it not being Ressler’s voice that matters.

Agreed 100%

This is a tough draft. The guy taken 10th could easily be better than the guy taken 1st. It's a crapshoot. 

11 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Unless Tony goes rogue and forces the players hand I can say without a doubt the Hawks will not be selecting Sarr with the number 1 pick. He has made it clear to all the teams picking at the top that he would like to play for the Wizards 

the pick will either be Risacher or clingan with the ideal outcome a trade back 

Fine by me. Sarr is just another pogo stick, those guys are a dime a dozen.