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If the Hawks ownership were willing to pay the luxury tax maybe the team would have the TALENT to be a legit contender. I just don't see how anyone can think that its poor coaching for the fact that the Hawks aren't championship contenders.

The problem with Horford on offense isn't that he can't do anything against Howard. its that he can't do anything against guys like Rasho Nesterovic. He simply doesn't have the ability to exploit a slow defender except in transition. I really don't see how people think Horford is being misused in the halfcourt when he hasn't given anyone any reason to think he could be an asset otherwise.

THe hawks have a roster problem. I think that if I were coach and I were playing the Magic that if I were coming back then I'd want Marvin to be playing as a stretch the floor PF. The problem is that the hawks do not have an interior presense to match up with Howard so in order to play Marvin at PF you almost have to just throw up the white flag. If Josh SMith coudl actually shoot from the outside I'd say you just go small and try and draw Howard from the middle but Josh is not capable of that.

Just because Sund made the mistake of signing the guy doesn't mean Woodson should make the mistake even worse by playing him until even the fanboys here understand how bad he is.

Sund made a mistake giving him a million dollars. Woodson shouldn't compound the mistake by giving minutes to a guy who might be the worst player in all of basketball.

read this article and still tell me you think Collins should be getting minutes on an NBA play off team. http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3315

You think he would have been extended if he played a bust like Acie law more minutes last season? He would be a pathetic coach if he stuck with untalented guys as long as people on here want him to. He hasn't been extended because there are a bunch of fans that want him fired even when the hawks are overachieving and have best record in the league. ANd he hasn't been extended because the Hawks have an ownership group too cheap to even field a summer league team.

Sorry- going off of memory. Waived once during the season doesn't really change the point. The Hawks got Flip off of the scrapheap and Woodson got more production out of him than anyone thought.

Frankly I am just sort of shocked that anyone would still with a straight face claim that they think the Suns would still have matched. I didn't think there were people in such denial anymore but if it makes you happy to be there then more power to you. The only reason to think that the Suns would have matched is that the Owners said they would. But of course the Hawks said the same thing about childress and no one here believes that and the Clippers said the same thing about Odom and MIller right before they were allowed to walk. I don't see any reason to dig around to find all the links because if you haven't come to grips with reality by now then I don't think there is any hope for you in the future.

There is no question at all that Joe Johnson is a far better player with the Hawks than he ever was with the Suns. If you don't see that then you are just willfully being ignorant of the facts. There is no question that Woodson got a remarkable amount of production out of Flip Murray. Murray was waived during the season a couple times the season before he went to the Hawks as far as I know and by the end of the season he was being counted on in the second round of the playoffs. Its remarkable. (But I wouldn't use the word "developed" for Flip)

Frogsgrim- I can't believe you actually believe that. Do you really think that if Woodson wins 50 games this season that he would be let go even if Teague doesn't play at all? Woodson's next contract is going to come strictly off of wins and losses. I agree that the ASG isn't sure that he is the right man for the job but I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that Woodson couldn't salvage terrible Billy Knight draftpicks. It probably has more to do with the fact that even when the team had the best record in Basketball many fans still want to see Woodson fired. But if he wins 50 games this year then I don't think there is any chance at all he is let go no matter what else happens And for all that people here b*tch about Woodson- at this point he is almost certainly an above average coach in the league. He isn't a genius or an outside the box thinker but I'd easily take him over many other coaches around the league.

Woodson's record is dependent on the team's record. If your job was on the line I don't think you'd be playing Jeff Teague if you didn't think he could help the team either.

Orlando and Cleveland have better PLAYERS on offense yet the Hawks have been more effective on offense this season and you are still bitching about the offense. Its just ridiculous. Yes Orlando has more options on offense- they are called Rashard Lewis and Vince Carter if Howard gets shut down. Cleveland has Shaq and Mo Williams if Lebron gets shut down. The Hawks have one other guy other than Joe who can consistently beat 1 on 1 coverage and thats Jamal Crawford who the Warriors BEGGED to opt out of his contract. Seriously.... I don't see how you can blame the Hawks for not having a better offense when the Hawks are already a top 3 offense this season. If the Hawks had what you consider to be good coaching where do you think they would rank in the league on offense this season with the personnel they currently have?

What coach do you think could have turned Salim, Acie, or Royal Ivey into quality NBA players? I can't see how any coach can be blamed for a GM drafting lousy players. Its not his fault he has nothing to work with. When Woodson was sitting Acie and Salim more than fans wanted its because he KNEW BETTER that they weren't NBA players and people here were just wishcasting all sorts of skills on them that don't exist. We'll see what Teague can do. I was much higher on him than I ever was on Acie. But After Salim and Acie I'll certainly give Woodson the benefit of the doubt for now. If Teague isn't ready yet then he just isn't ready yet. Maybe if the team wasn't too cheap to field a summer league team he would be further along.

Its clear that for some people no matter how well the Hawks play then Woodson will still get no credit. Its just ridiculous at this point.

You mind sending me the link to where you got the stats for fastbreak points? The times I have tried to find that info I never seem to come across it easily.

As I recall the Hawks were top 3 in fastbreak points last season as well.

Woodson did miss on Boris Diaw. but I think thats a case of D'Antoni seeing WAAAY outside the box and was just a brilliant move rather than a gaffe on Woodson's part. Ironically Diaw is probably the young Hawks that I think the fans were the most down on. I think there was much more of a push for Woodson to play Acie, Shelden, and even Salim. I also think that Diaw had one really great year and he hasn't been the same player since he stopped playing center. I also think its ironic that Woodson got more out of Shelden than either of the next 2 teams he played for got out of him. I just think that when you use retrospect Woodson has been a pretty good judge of talent for young players. He identified early on that the young players he had were not good enough- long before many fans came to the same conclusion. At least for me I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on Teague until I see more reason to think he is wrong.

uhhh... do you think the presence of a legitimate NBA pointguard on the roster might slightly help in pushing the tempo?

Its free to tell anyone that will listen that you are going to match. There is absolutely no reason to say anything else. When Andre Miller was a RFA on the Clippers they told everyone they would match right up until they didn't. Why wouldn't you tell everyone that you are going to match? Do you really believe that the Hawks would have actually matched ANY offer to Childress after they said that? I think its ridiculous that anyone actually believes that the Suns would have matched a max contract offer for their 4th best player. I mean after the Suns ended up SELLING their first round picks and so much information has come out saying they wouldn't have matched I am just astounded that people are still having this argument. To repeat- the Suns SOLD Rajon Rondo yet you think they would have matched a max offer for their 4th best player!?

How on earth can you say that Woodson has done a poor job developing guards when he hasn't had anything to work with? When Salim was here there were plenty of fans who thought that Woodson wasn't using him right. Then Salim became a free agent and is now out of the league because he simply isn't NBA material. He simply was a bad draftpick. People thought that Acie wasn't being used right. Then he got traded and the Warriors didn't even think he was good enough to pick up his 4th year team option. He simply was a poor draftpick. Its not like Woodson just sat on young players and as soon as they went to a different coach they all the sudden showed that they were being misused.

Crawford attempted 6 3's a game last season. You expected him to completely change the kind of player he was after he arrived here?

Childress has a guaranteed contract for next season. He can opt out and return to the NBA if he wants to but there is no way for his Greek team to get out of paying him if they think he is overpaid.

This is just an issue I have with NBA fans in general. THe NBA has pretty much made it illegal to guard someone 1 on 1 but you want teams to run the same offenses they did 20 years ago because they are prettier? Ridiculous. Find me guys who can exploit a weak defender 1 on 1- put 3 point shooters around him and lets abuse that mismatch over and over and over until the defense has to make a change. Then you reasses- find the next best matcup you can consistently get and abuse it over and over and over. NBA teams make it far too complicated because they think thats the way its supposed to be done. And seriously- you have the proof of that right here. Even when the Hawks have a top 3 offense in the league people are still whining about how its not a pretty enough offense. I just think its so ridiculous. Honestly I think that a coach is doing a good job to have a top 10 offense with the personnel the Hawks have. To complain about Woodson when the Hawks have a top 3 offense is just ignorant to me.

You'd like the Hawks offense to be less ISO heavy even if it meant they had the 10th best offense in the league instead of a top 3 offense? Seriously... based on the Hawks talent on offense where do you think with good coaching the Hawks should rank? I think the team is overperforming to be a top 3 offense and the coach should get credit for that