noble

The question with her is does a team think as a first time coach should go to a franchise that is winning more? Or maybe her first gig should be somewhere giving her a chance to show she actually can coach and build some experience.

I don't know the answer there, but she has proven in the summer league to be have viable consideration in some manner. 

2 minutes ago, Royjr9 said:

Larranaga met with ressler and fizdale per article floating around. 

There are your top 2 then. But I know Larranaga has another visit with Charlotte coming up.

42 minutes ago, KB21 said:

There is still a chance.  The Hawks could still try to get a legitimate head coach to come in there.  David Blatt and Etorre Messina are just a call away.

I think they like Piece for his rebuild job he did in Philly. Not to mention he is apparently close to LeBron and was a part of the Warriors for a bit. 

The leader Right now is Pierce apparently. He is the only one with an interview with Ressler locked up. Cunningham is the bottom of the 4 on the short list apparently.

33 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Or how about admitting that Lebron James is arguably one of the 3 greatest players of all time?

And as a person that actually likes to go to games and watch them live, I'm definitely not cool with watching a bad Hawks team for years on end.

He is. But, even if by some miracle you make it past him, the Warriors were sitting there also loaded with superstar talent.

I'm fine with them being bad, it isn't like we had more than a month of coverage even as a 1 seed. Heck we were the 1 seed and we didn't talked about in the playoffs, it was already a forgone conclusion we weren't making it to the ECF much less a champ game. 

I just want this team to be considered to have a shot. Until that happens makong the playoffs or not is a moot point.

3 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

So we were full strength as a #1 seed, when we played Cleveland?  Both teams had injuries in that series, but we had injuries to the one position we couldn't afford to have them at . . . small forward.

The biggest injury to that 2014 - 15 team was to Thabo Sefolosha.  He was the defensive stopper of that team off the bench who also guarded all of the league's top SGs and SFs in key stretches of the game.   The Hawks were a whopping 43 - 9 with Thabo in the lineup that season.  Without him, we were 17 -  13.  It's not a coincidence that as soon as he went down for the season, the Hawks went from world beaters, to a decent but not great team.

He comes back late in the season, and the Hawks go 5 - 2.  It's too bad that he and Pero just couldn't stay at the hotel in New York in the wee hours of the morning, and have NYPDs finest break his leg in a bullcrap altercation, and ruin our dream season.

And it didn't help at all that Demarre also got hurt in Game 1, and wasn't 100% the rest of the way, and Korver gets taken out in Game 2, effectively taking our main outside shooting threat away.

One of the things that losing will do, is make you wish they were at least mediocre again.  If we go through a 3 - 4 year drought of not making the playoffs, you'll be BEGGING the new GM ( because Schlenk will be fired if we're not in the playoffs by year 4 ), to make a move, any move, to get us back to the 8th seed.  A "championship" won't even be on your mind.  Getting back to playoff level will be the thing that matters.  Even if we're just a 37 win team.

 

 

 

Maybe I'm jaded but as much as I wished we would have won, we realistically didn't have a chance to win that series, even at full health. The playoffs are so much different than the regular season. Maybe we wouldn't have gotten swept, but I didn't see us winning that series. We didn't have the firepower or a guy that could take over down the stretch. 

I've say through a lot of lean years with this team. I'm to this point where if we don't have a realistic shot at a ring, I'll just watch from the outside, until we do. It's the way the NBA is now. While I like basketball, if my team isn't in the finals I don't watch. I haven't watched a finals in a long time. So we miss the playoffs, okay. Seriously it isn't a big deal to me. I'm good with whatever at this point. I just want to see a ring before I die.

7 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Define superstar first.

For this let's say a player who finishes top 10 in the MVP race. And if you want to refine it from there, a player who can do it more than once.

21 minutes ago, KB21 said:

They can't?  They just beat a Wizards team with "superstar" lottery picks John Wall, Otto Porter, and Bradley Beal.  I mean, they were drafted in the top 3 picks of the lottery, so all three must be superstars, right?

Again, name the last team to win a championship without a superstar.  Winning a series then getting swept isn't winning anything. 

You are so resistant to superstars. I don't get it. 

Let's just hire Becky Hammon. I'd be down for that.

4 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I'm sure the Raptors should just bottom out and suck for 5 plus years since they are losing to the player the NBA wants in the NBA Finals.

Not his point. You know it. No superstar, the Raptors, regardless of how well they play team ball, can't stop a superstar. It may not be what you want,  but truth is superstars are a must to win a ring.

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

That absolutely works at the NBA level.  Good team basketball will always be better than having one great player.

Really? When was the last championship team without a superstar on it? I'll wait...

2 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

I don't mind not being a title contender cause Philly is a title contender but like said getting Sept as a #1 seed by Cleveland missing several players and struggling with New jersey in the 1st round,  or only beating Washington in the 2nd round because Wall got injured?  And having that old azz roster?  It was time for a change

That's the thing. I agree. But some would rather have just kept going with retooling with middle tier players who played solid team basketball and make the playoffs. Problem is, that doesn't work at the NBA level. Once the playoffs start, if you don't have that one game changer, you have zero chance of making it to a finals. 

Just now, KB21 said:

WRONG!  Not being competitive is not making the playoffs at all and being satisfied with losing just because you want to chase a superstar player to give you the perception that you have a chance.

So you were fine with just making the playoffs only to know we never had a real shot at a title and would get embarrassed every season? I'm not saying tanking will get us said superstar, I'm just saying if you are going to be a losing team, might as well get something out if it. All We got before was to say we made the playoffs then lose key role players that got us there. Eh, maybe one day we will be a real team that has a real shot at being a championship team, or at least a team fans outside of Hawks fans actually want to see.

3 hours ago, KB21 said:

What's insulting is this idea that "I would rather suck than be competitive if I don't win a championship."  That's basically what this boils down to.  You think that drafting high in the lottery every year is the magic elixir that is going to bring a championship to Atlanta.  It's not.  it's going to bring a lot of suffering and misery to the Hawks.  

I've been suffering watching us epically fail in the playoffs. So maybe I'll suffer trying to actually get a superstar. Either way I suffer. At least this way I will not have to waste time watching the playoffs knowing we were fodder for real teams. 

You say we were competitive. If we were competitive we wouldn't have gotten swept as a number 1 seed.

1 hour ago, hazer said:

I perceive the Hawks ain’t won $hit in the last 10 years.

I'll caveat that. The Hawks haven't won anything since they have been an Atlanta.

14 hours ago, KB21 said:

Perception doesn't matter when it comes to winning.

What exactly have we won? 

Here is what everyone is missing. Even if somehow we had kept our roster mostly in tact, we didn't have a superstar. It wouldn't have mattered if the East was weak or strong, or somewhere or between. This is the NBA, you need a superstar.

I'm so tired of people saying we should have kept the core, add a piece here and there, we could have. No, we couldn't. We couldn't get a superstar here before, what in the world makes anyone think we had a real shot at a ring without one? The NBA is now set up for mega teams. You need young up and coming superstars to bring in veteran superstars. 

What we had was a feel good story like Loyola-Chicago making it to the sweet 16. Played good team ball, but never really had a chance at a ring.

You either win a ring, or you don't. I guess we could have waited until whenever and get lucky to find one in the middle to late draft, or you try to get one at the top of the draft. I want to see a ring for Atlanta. So we what if made the playoffs 50 years in a row? No ring? Still abject failure.

Maybe they said they wanted the Suns first rounder or he isn't going. Maybe....

Y'all crack me up. Saying no one wants to go to a tank job. Yet Phoenix had the worst record in the league and Bud is interviewing for them. 

1 hour ago, marco102 said:

But but but, you said to make the playoffs IS competing for a championship.   Just admit when you're wrong. 

He also said that Bud going to Phoenix was a smart move considering they want to win

I've stopped trying to argue this. KB was perfectly happy making the playoffs and being a team with zero superstars, no chance of getting one in FA, and just hoping it happens one day later in the draft. He has said he found the Hawks of the past few years the most he has enjoyed watching the Hawks because there was no selfish star on the team and they played team basketball. I've watched as he has stated repeatedly they could have won a ring with a few minor tweaks, of course forgetting that no team has won a ring without a superstar or at least a lottery pick like the ONE Pistons team. He has made up his mind that because they went full rebuild this team will be bad for 10 years, as if they haven't been "bad" since coming to Atlanta. And when I said bad I mean having zero legitimate shot at a title, at least since Nique was here and had his classic Bird vs Nique series. The NBA is about Superstars, period. It is about being lucky enough to have a generational talent. It so happens that the odds say you are more likely to get one earlier in the draft rather than later. 

So what if we miss getting a Superstar? Fact is you have to have one to win a ring. You have to have one to bring "NBA Level" talent to your team to have a legitimate shot. As much as I loved the last few years and prayed for a miracle, fact is we all knew our weakness was we didn't have a guy who could take over a game, much less a team that could beat a team that had one. A good regular season does not mean you realistically have a shot at a title. Essentially the NBA is 2 seasons. Regular season where you just have to be steady to get into the playoffs. And the playoffs where you need elite talent to make it to the finals.

I respect his stance even though I disagree with it. It's too late to decide whether the team is tanking or not. It is where it is. You don't like it, don't watch. Plain and simple. We are on a path that regardless if you agree or disagree we can't change course now. Let's just look toward the draft and FA and hope our Hawks one day become legitimate title contenders while we are all alive.

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

LA is a target for LeBron because of the LA market, not because of this young talent that can't get them to the playoffs.  You could literally swap LA's roster for Atlanta's, and LeBron would still go to LA.

You really believe that? Then why didn't he go to LA or NY when he left the last time? Oh right because Miami was about the market...which is bigger than LA and NY.

2 hours ago, KB21 said:

Wait a minute.  I thought all it took to get a star was to draft high in the draft.  You mean to tell me that none of those #2 overall picks have become this generational star?

Yet the talk is how now they are real players for getting LeBron. Why? Because they have good young talent. Our talent couldn't even sniff a fleeting thought from a superstar. Maybe you had our last playoff caliber team a little too highly valued if superstars still didn't want to come to the Hawks. 

Fact is the NBA is about The haves and the have-nots. You either have young talent that attracts more superstars or you don't. And it has been pretty clear for a very long time, the Hawks have not had that caliber of player or players. If a Superstar looking to join a good young core doesn't even look at your team, you don't have the talent you think you do.