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Any of those guys but Haliburton. He screams out "low ceiling role player" to me.

Yeah, I also think Okoro best fits the bill for Atlanta, unless Cleveland nabs him at 5.

I should clarify. I don't consider him just a guy. I forgot to also include his intangibles and leadership skills, which are off the charts. I just think that he's a notch below max-level.

I still think back to an alternate 2016 where we sign Al instead of Dwight, don't resign Bazemore, trade Milsapp to Denver for picks and players, and draft Caris LeVert in the first round. Literally a dream scenario.

I agree with all of these points.

I don't believe that Milwaukee will trade him unless forced by Giannis.

I don't believe that Giannis will force a trade.

But I also don't believe that Miami would trade Bam or Herro.

I think they want to sign Giannis outright without giving up any pieces.

I think you're right that John presents a unique skill set. The question becomes what skill set is worth paying a max or near-max contract that will tie up our salary cap. I personally think that he'll have to continue to become more of a weapon as a perimeter shooter to justify that type of financial commitment. I'm just not so sure how much a good-rebounding, defensively-average rim runner is worth paying for if that's all you get.

1 hour ago, terrell said:

I have over 3400 and cant see it..

The actual location of the thread has been moved. Look on the main Homecourt page. Scroll to the bottom and you'll see a list of Most Recent Non-Homecourt Topics. Ask Supes is listed there. But when you click onto it, it mentions the 500 post requirement.

1 hour ago, Dean Walker said:

Milwaukee, add our 2021 pick and maybe we’ll have a chance.

The question is who has a combination of young players and picks that can top something like that? Does GSW think that Milwaukee would really want Andrew Wiggins? I realize that teams like Miami have a huge leg up if it's Free Agency in 2021. But who is the team to beat in a trade this offseason?

Who says no on this ATL trade for Giannis?

Collins

Dedmon

Huerter

2020 #6

2022 OKC pick

Yeah, apparently you need to have 500 posts under your belt to see Supes' stuff now. I usually inject his info into my veins. Man, I gotta get busy!

3 minutes ago, Dean Walker said:

That was a total disaster.

Yeah, totally. The Bud-Cox apologists blame it all on Ressler.

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

Buddenz with personnel power ...

... not if they're sane and they saw the traindumpsterfirewreck he left in Atlanta with his so-called "general" "managing"(sic).

Yeah, but he had some leverage when he was talking to Milwaukee. They were pretty desperate for a name coach to take Giannis to the next level. I don't think a whole lot of folks outside of Atlanta are fully aware of the personnel follies of the Bud-Cox regime. I bet many outside folk pin their failings more on Wilcox. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if Bud negotiated himself a certain amount of personnel say, even if they didn't make him the actual GM.

1 minute ago, Dean Walker said:

I don’t think he’ll be fired, him and Giannis are supposedly close.

i do think he’ll be on the hot seat for next season though if they lose this series.

I agree. But I think the seat is already . If they win this series, they'd be the first 3-0 survivors in NBA history.

5 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

What's the major difference between Vassell and Okoro?

The scary good thing about Okoro is that he pretty much comes equipped with everything BUT a reliable shot. He's got a real good handle. He's got great passing vision. He can penetrate. He's an elite finisher, with either hand. And of course he's a shut-down corner. Oh by the way, he's also got the motor and work ethic to develop his shot.

Vassell doesn't have much of a handle, and therefore doesn't have much penetrating ability. But he's a top-tier team defender. Thus, some of his fans describe him as a poor-man's Klay Thompson. But Klay might be one of the greatest shooters of all time. So I see Vassell's peak outcome as a Kris Middleton, which would be real good, but not nearly the ceiling that Okoro has in my opinion.

Man, I remember LeBron bragging openly at the end of the ECF in 2015 about how easy we were to figure out, and our lack of adjustments. Bud just got a one game reprieve. But I wonder what his offseason will be like. I don't think he'll get fired. But he may have to make some concessions. I've always wondered if he was given some unspoken personnel power up there. He may have to relinquish that.

Bruno's got the athleticism, and I'm buying his outside shot. He just needs to figure out NBA big-man life.

I think that the biggest data point against John being a vital piece moving forward is his lack of self-creation ability. But, if he advances his outside shooting ability a little bit more, which I think he can (I buy his shot), then I think he may have just enough self-creation juice, combined with his other elite skills, to reach All-Star status.

5 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

Yep!  Trae still has poor shot selection, turns the ball over, Poor position defense, and doesn't play off the ball even though he is shooting something like 45% from 3 off the ball.  Kevin Huerter's off season after his rookie season was a disaster...He ended up picking up bad weight.  He still doesn't draw fouls while his position and help defense is poor still.  Doesn't finish well in the paint even though he is 6'7".  Collins didn't improve as a decision/play-maker. Alex Len went from a serviceable back up to unplayable. Don't get me started on bone headed Bembry or Vince Carter.  Fatso had to be traded. etc

Remember, a lot of development work falls on the assistant coaching staff, who actually have the real time to spend one on one with these guys. It's not like Bud was running drills for each of his guys. It was Quin, Darvin, Taylor, etc.

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

This is the third terrible season in a row for this team.  

Actually 2016-2017 was the most terrible of the recent seasons.

We got blown out in many of the games.

We went out with a whimper against Washington in the first round.

And we had no hope for a better future.

The tank officially is now over. It lasted only 2 1/2 seasons, as all of the recent trades went towards being better on the floor NOW.

We now have more collective talent than we did on that 2016-2017 team.

And we have hope for a future that arrives as early as next year.

4 hours ago, gurpilo said:

3 rookies are a nightmare if you are trying to win, are not a nightmare if you are rebuilding as we are. I don't think we had a nightmare draft, I understand why we traded for Hunter but at the same time I see that we clearly overpay for him.

As I said we could have commited to develop Hayes, Reddish and Clarke and let Bruno, Bradzeikis and Bol to earn their minutes. Instead of that we have comitted to develop Hunter and Reddish, Hayes minutes would go to Damian Jones, Bruno still has to earn his minutes and the minutes that Bradzeikis and Bol were going to earn will go to Parsons, Parker or Bembry... I prefer the other alternative, I also think Clarke could eventually play SF. At the end I like Hunter but probably a trade of 8 & 17 and Hill's contract would have been more fair. I wanted my guy Clarke.

I think the key statement was your last one there. You wanted your guy Clarke.

You're completely taking the "draft website guy" view of things. The only thing draft websites focus on, as much as I love to read them, is value. They don't actually have the scouting acumen or track record to bank on, so they focus on how much perceived value a team got in a draft pick and especially in a trade.

However, teams, at least the ones with credible scouting departments, follow their draft chart and act accordingly, not worrying about players that they don't like as much. Atlanta, under Schlenk, has a more than credible scouting history and deserve the benefit of the doubt. If they determine a skinny center from Texas who can't rebound, or a tweener from Gonzaga who doesn't have length and can't shoot or pass, are not worth their time then so be it, I say.

9 hours ago, Plainview1981 said:

It's near the top of the least. Especially if you go back over the last 30 years with all the failed trades, the inability to keep players, the poor management, poor ownership and getting little value in trades. Whenever you're always losing or trading key players for little to no value there is a problem somewhere. If you think Schlenk doing a good job... Well, I feel sorry for you.

Schlenk definitely sucks at negotiating trades, but they've luckily only been small trades thus far.

He has, however, already drafted better than any GM in Hawks history.

And, he understands cap management better than the majority of GM's in the league.

12 hours ago, Plainview1981 said:

When you look at what the Hawks are going to get for the exits of Horf, Kover, Sap, and Dennis it is downright embarrassing.

You can blame GM Bud for losing Horford and Sap for nothing, and for signing Schröder to a negative value contract.