parfait

19 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

If we don't pay him, someone else will.

We've stepped our toe in the water to see how warm or cold the water is.  This is NOT the time to act like we're not ready to swim.

 

Teams that would gladly pay for Collins' services

• Houston
• Orlando
• NY Knicks
• Cleveland
• Washington
• LA Clippers

All of those teams would either make room, or sign and trade for a top notch big man like Collins.

Keep in mind folks, this team was borderline all-time bad without Collins in the lineup. ( 4 - 21 ).

Also, it's not Collins' fault that the coach refuses to call plays for him and utilize all of his offensive talents.  The talent is there.  It's always been there.

 

 

I actually would like to see JC Re-signed this off-season. But if he asks for even close to max money then wait till he is an RFA next year and then those teams you listed can PROVE that they would pay him, and then we match.

4 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

Tatum, Fox, and Mitchell got their money.

Collins should get similar type of money.  

Pay that man and get it over with.

So, when the game is on the line, you give the ball to Collins to take over, the same as a Tatum or a Mitchell? I think that’s the barometer for a max deal.

56 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Update:

TT is leaning to joining the Clippers

Bucks haven't stopped when it comes to Bogi. They are trying to add them to the 4 team deal. Bogi is using Atlanta for leverage but will choose Atlanta if the Bucks can't add him to that Jrue Holiday trade. The Kings still want DVV. They are not happy at Atlanta unwillingness to get him without trading Huerter. 

Hayward's deal has obstacles but he wants Indiana right now. They have differences on value and this one could fall through. 

Rondo seems like an Atlanta lean but he's waiting for LAC. Chances are, with TT gone, Rondo will be left without an offer beyond the min. Atlanta is not a leverage play. It's a 2nd option for Rondo. If they don't have real money, he will sign with the Hawks.

If Atlanta misses on Bogi, Avery Bradley and KCP are the key names. KCP is another likely leverage play. Like I said, leverage plays aren't in our favor. Thank you Gallo for not being a bitch ass punk. 

 

Thanks for all the info @NBASupes.

Sorry, who is TT?

5 hours ago, neanderballer said:

I'm not sure where y'all are getting $30M/yr from. I don't see anybody offering him that, his $34M this year was considered way more than he was worth. If he resigns with the Celts it'll be on the cheap in the hopes he gets a chip, if he signs with ATL or NY I can't see either of them throwing more than low $20s. I could be wrong though, but I don't think Travis is a dummy.

I agree. I think it'll be in the $20-$25 million per year range for Hayward. Hardly breaking the bank, for a well above average starter in his prime.

1 minute ago, bleachkit said:

Pacers also want him. Getting him is probably a long shot.

Pacers gotta clear cap space, deal with Oladipo, and figure out where Hayward would play in relation to Oladipo and Warren. It's a lot more seamless with Atlanta.

But, we have been jilted at the altar before, so there's that.

14 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

I do enjoy the satisfaction of calling bullshit on trades that have zero likelihood of occuring. So anything that allows me to play the role of skeptical contrarian, I'm fully on board with.

Then that's free entertainment for you too. See, there's something for everyone, lol.

36 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

The whole insider thing doesn't really make sense. Why would organizations leak information about what they are doing or thinking? Generally showing your hand is not how you win at poker. And leaking information discussed with other teams is likely highly frowned upon. Teams that trade with one another are partners, and no doubt there are gentleman's agreements about not leaking the contents of those discussions. Teams usually don't even tell players they are being traded beforehand, often to maintain the integrity on ongoing negotiations. If a staffer or assistant is leaking information they would likely be fired.

I may not be in the biz, but my understanding is that the majority of leaks come from the league office and from agents, rather than from front offices. I believe @NBASupes connection is in the first category.

6 minutes ago, Eddielives said:

I’m not taking a side here but there’s a big problem with one thing you said. The burden of proof always falls on the person making the claim...not for others to disprove. This is fundamental. 

I actually agree with you, fundamentally-speaking. But I believe that this does not matter in this context, since there is no money being charged, there is no official business being carried out, nor any sort of certification or licensing being claimed. This is all being done in a sports entertainment context. So one can individually decide if the information provided by @NBASupes and @thecampster is worth their time and attention, or not. I believe that the vast majority of squawkers feel that it is, and I for one am thankful for it, especially at the trade deadline and during the draft and free agency.

8 minutes ago, Diesel said:

It may be... as long as we all know it's all fiction.

 

Pretty strong words. Admittedly it's hard for us rank-and-file Hawks fans to verify @NBASupes info as being Inside Stuff. But it is equally hard for you or anyone to prove that it isn't. So with those realities in place, why choose the path of mean-spiritedness, especially in the context of a fun, festive message board?

@NBASupes does this Chris Paul trade KILL the 5 team deal? Or are there attempts underway to modify it to a 4 team swap?

Just now, parfait said:

Yeah, I agree. All analysts describe this as a flat draft, with one of the plateaus being from 4 to 20 of the first round. Everyone is trying to trade down. If we get two players, such as Vassell, Maxey, or Cole at 13 and 17, you can't tell me players like Haliburton, Avdija, and Okorro clearly more talented than them. Heck the way the board is playing out, theoretically, right now, both Okorro and Hayes could slide outside of the top 10 and be within reach.

19 minutes ago, terrell said:

Yeah I dont see a huge dropoff from Hali/Hayes to Maxey,Lewis/Terry,Anthony, etc...

Yeah, I agree. All analysts describe this as a flat draft, with one of the plateaus being from 4 to 20 of the first round. Everyone is trying to trade down. If we get two players, such as Vassell, Maxey, or Cole at 13 and 17, you can't tell me players like Haliburton, Avdija, and Okorro clearly more talented than them. Heck the way the board is playing out, theoretically, right now, both Okorro and Hayes could slide outside of the top 10 and be within reach.

The other clue I remember @NBASupes giving about the Megatrade was that we would be acquiring a "playmaker." Does Lavine or even Siakam qualify for this label? Could this point towards B. Simmons once again? My brain is short-circuiting!

Hey @NBASupes you mentioned that there were no picks being sent out in the megatrade. Did you say if there were any picks coming to Atlanta in the deal?

My interpretation of @NBASupes' clues is that Collins is NOT part of the mega-trade. And he also emphasized that Oladipo just doesn't have the trade value to bring back a blockbuster return. I think that statement also confirms that Collins is not a part of it. Add the part where @thecampster said that we would be "surprised" as to how much teams are planning for 2021, I would thus like to interpret that we will be getting a relatively premium talent, perhaps with a big contract, without giving up commensurate value. Also, we're trading back from #6 in order to preserve some salary cap space. And remember also, @NBASupes reply to the question of whether he liked this trade for Atlanta was "Hell yeah!"

So, based on all of that, I would say that we are giving up Dedmon and some additional filler, for something like Siakam, primarily in order to allow Toronto to clear space for Giannis next year. Man, this is requiring some next-level tea-leaf-reading!

Hey, @NBASupes thanks so much for the info. But I have to ask, when you say things like "megatrade" and "prepare to be shocked," are you embellishing just a bit just to play with us. I believe in the info that you get from your sources, but if they end up trading Dedmon's expiring contract for a middling veteran backup, it definitely won't rise to the level of the words you've been using. You're not playing when you use those terms, are you?

Also, to reiterate a question asked earlier, does it look like the trade will be announced tomorrow?

25 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Rumored teams interested in Dipo:

Lakers, Knicks, Mavs, Suns, Raptors, Nets, and Timberwolves

If we work off of this list, perhaps Anonoby from Toronto, or Levert or Dinwiddie from Brooklyn? It’s definitely not THJ from Dallas!!

Hey @NBASupesand @thecampster, it's been pretty quiet lately. Is it the calm before the storm, or are you both under gag orders from your sources as we get closer to crunch time?

ON 11/7/2020 AT 5:25 PM, JAYBIRDHAWK SAID:

Can we still make the Hayward trade if we do the Mega deal? If he opt out?

No. It will not be salary wise possible. 

If he opts out, yes. I am pretty sure there is a number his agent and the Hawks are targeting. I just wouldn't know what that is nor could I get it. We probably won't know that information till signings start. 

THIS WAS @NBASupes TO DOING THE MEGATRADE WITH A HAYWARD OPT OUT VS OPT IN. I TOOK THIS AS MEANING WE COULD DO THE MEGATRADE IF HAYWARD OPTS OUT AND WE SIGN HIM. @NBASupes AMIRITE?

38 minutes ago, warcore said:

@parfait - Supes said no we can't do both. The megatrade is contingent on us having cap space to absorb larger contract involved in the mega trade. If we sign Hayward, we don't have that ability. One or the other....

What Campster was saying is that that would be the results of the mega trade - we would end up 2 more vet contracts and 2 less rookie contracts (suggesting JC would be involved since he's on a rookie contract). 

Nah, man, that was a direct quote from @NBASupes saying that we can't do the Megatrade if Hayward OPTS IN, but that we CAN do it if he OPTS OUT and we sign him to a new deal with a lower AAV.

23 hours ago, NBASupes said:

No. It will not be salary wise possible. 

If he opts out, yes. I am pretty sure there is a number his agent and the Hawks are targeting. I just wouldn't know what that is nor could I get it. We probably won't know that information till signings start. 

So, Supes, you say if Hayward opts out and signs with us, then we can do Hayward AND the MegaTrade.

And, Campster,you say we could get 2 veterans and subtract 2 rookie contracts.

With those statements in mind, could the possible transactions be the following:

1) Hayward opts out and signs with us, say 4 years/$80 million.

2) Megatrade: (Collins?) + Dedmon OUT, (B. Wallace?) IN.

3) #6 and K. Huerter OUT, #2 (A, Edwards) and (T. Jerome?) IN

4) Sign S. Labissiere to a 4 year low salary contract.

5) This is me spitballing: How about Dario Saric for backup PF?

The possibilities are intriguing at least. Thanks Supes and Campster for the fun speculating!

Supes, the 3 team trade, as you see its construction, do you like it for Atlanta?

On 9/3/2020 at 7:43 AM, kg01 said:

Oh, ok.  So a guy that has a deep connection with our superstar decides to become a coach in a fancy, smancy "big" market all of a sudden?  I'm not worried.

I hope you fall flat on your Canadan face, Steve.

What?  "Canadian"?  Screw you, they don't call it Canadia!

Hopefully Nash wouldn't screw over his college backcourt mate like that.

9 minutes ago, Dean Walker said:

I like Hayes but I just don’t see the fit.

I kind of agree with @marco102 I think Killian is big enough, and enough of a scorer, to play alongside Trae. Although, his spot up shooting numbers would need to improve.