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2 hours ago, AHF said:

Maxey's NBA future depends on his plus shooting that was projected in high school returning.  He had a year a bit similar to Cam's freshman season where UK fans spent the whole year waiting for him to get hot and it never happened.  Did better than Cam but didn't have the injury issues that affected Cam.  I'd like to see him do well in the NBA but don't think he will be ready out of the gate like Herro was this year.

Yeah, I think DraftTwitter, at least, buys the shooting from his high school/EYBL days. That's why DraftTwitter has Maxey generally in the 5-10 range, unlike the sourced draft projections.

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

wing attacker.

Sounds like a job for...Isaac Okoro!

35 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

I thought Trae's numbers would be better than that. 

Same here. He's such a skilled finisher. I suppose his floater numbers don't count as being around the rim.

2 hours ago, AHF said:

If the Rockets didn't get him to take outside shots, I don't think anyone ever will.  He shoots 52.6% from the line for his career and has shot 1.1% of his shots at a distance longer than 3-10 feet for his career.  Hasn't taken a shot longer than 10-16 feet in two years.

No hope.

Haha, that's what I figured. Maybe DeWayne Dedmon can get him to develop an outside shot out of nowhere just like he did, lol.

He's been pretty awesome so far, but clearly a DH. Hopefully they can lock him up for another 2-3 years.

Is it pretty much sounding like the Hornets take Wiseman at #3?

Does anyone have even an inkling of hope that Capela could flash a semblence of an outside shot? Is his shot pretty much broken?

48 minutes ago, terrell said:

Vassel is more of a 2 imo..

But do you think he has enough of a handle to be a 2. He's definitely a wing. But I'm not sure his ballhandling allows for the 2 position per se.

43 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Funny, I don't think Quickley is an NBA player.  Conversely, I think Maxey has a bright NBA future.

I wouldn't mind grabbing Maxey if we get an additional mid 1st round pick.

On 9/4/2020 at 1:40 PM, GameTime said:

@NBASupes

The type of thought process in this article is what stalls rebuilds. Gotta take the BPA!

13 hours ago, Carmine said:

This thread is 9 pages too long.

Booooooo! Where's your aspirations, man?!

Just now, bird_dirt said:

Ashton Hagans? Are you trying to kiss up to @AHF or something?

I don't see an NBA future with him, but I'm admittedly not an official NBA head or nerd.

TBH, the Cat i was most impressed with at UK was Immanuel Quickley. 

What did you think of Maxey? I think he's got real sleeper potential. And don't all those UK Cats usually bust out in the NBA after being held back by Cal's system.

6 hours ago, High5 said:

I feel like that would have just delayed the inevitable tank. I much prefer where we are now. 

I think if Schlenk had taken over a year earlier, in 2016, he could have made those moves and still traded Horford a year or two later to further fuel the rebuild. We wouldn't have lost an asset for nothing.

3 hours ago, kg01 said:

Yeah I recall Harris being tossed around too.  Not that that would've been some panacea.  Dude misses more time than a busted wristwatch.  

..... come on, gimme some love on that one.  Straight off the dome with that wristwatch dig.  Ah, tough crowd.  I'm here all week.

Hey, at least a busted wristwatch is right two times a day!

1 hour ago, bird_dirt said:

Back to the draft talk....

Given how there has been some talk of the Hawks potentially trading for a second pick in the mid/late 1st round, what non-lottery players are you looking for?

Personally, I'd like to see them grab SF Jordan Nwora, for more size, depth, and good 3 ball.

Or maybe PG RJ Hampton (especially bc i prefer they don't get a PG at 6). He's also got good size for his position and will be a good backup.

Yes, I like the idea of Hampton at that point in the first round also. Rashard Phillips is super high on him.

1 hour ago, bleachkit said:

This draft feels like 2017, where Philly traded up to #1 for Fultz. How does that look in retrospect? Who would have guessed Mitchell would have outplayed every guy taken ahead of him except maybe Tatum. Some guy projected to be a role player could easily end up the best player in the draft in three years.

I think that a sleeper to do something like this could be Tyrese Maxey. He's a 3 level scorer that also plays defense. He's downgraded only because he's a tad short, kind of like...Donovan Mitchell.

2 hours ago, Dean Walker said:

Over hunter?? Idk man.

I hope Hunter takes a step forward this year. But otherwise I see him as a backup combo forward, but one that still gets major minutes because of that versatility.

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Whoever we draft at #6 will be a backup next season. 

Now we know that Trae is entrenched as out starting PG of the future and any pg we take have less of a chance of supplanting him as the starter going forward.

Can any of the other position players be good enough to eventually overtake one of our incumbments as the starter in year #2?

I think Okoro or Vassell could claim the SF spot within a year or two.

14 hours ago, Dean Walker said:

I’m all in on vassell/okoro rn.

Do not want Haliburton at all.

Totally agree with this. Open to Obi also. But Hal No to Haliburton!

7 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I don't think he gets a max and I wouldn't call it "tying up our cap" in this stage of our rebuild and our current cap situation. 

Tying up cap is paying a player like a 30 year old Gallo on a 3yr/$75 deal for this team.

A fair point. I didn't mean any disrespect to John. You're right, tying up cap was more like Bazemore's contract. I think the term "overpay" would be more accurate. But like I said, if John becomes a volume 3 point shooter at his current percentage or greater then it may be a moot point.

2 minutes ago, AHF said:

He shoots over 42% for his career on corner 3's so that seems pretty locked in as a positive threat.  Where he took the huge step last year was on non-corner 3's.  

His first two seasons, JC took over 40% of his 3's from the corner.  (His rookie season was over 70% from the corner and his sophmore year was ~31% from the corner).  On the ~60% of non-corner 3's his first two seasons, he shot 30.7% his rookie season and 28.4% his second year.  

Last season, he shot only 12.9% of his 3pt shots from the corner and on that 87.1% of non-corner 3's he hit an impressive 40.6%.  That is huge.

If he can generate a significant volume of 3's starting this season, especially above the break like you mentioned, then watch out!

I think what makes it tough with John is differentiating what John deserves from what is in the best interests of the Hawks organization. John is just an incredibly great dude. I would wish him the max, because I would wish him the best. But is tying up the cap with a Collins max contract in the Hawks' best interests?

2 hours ago, AHF said:

Yeah, you and I ultimately differ on his bottomline.  I think we have a similar view about many of his strengths and weaknesses, more about what that package means.  I remain optimistic he can continue to improve as well.  Won't ever be as good a passer as Webber or Horford but incremental improvement in playmaking and defense is very much in play.  Fundamentally, I don't think he is wired to be a plus guy in either of these areas but he can improve materially.  If he could stay at his career 37% 3pt% or even better match his performance from last year that would also be big.

Yeah, I think further development of his outside shooting is his main key to reaching new heights, in terms of impact.

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

Yeah that whole Milsap/Horford led conglomerate was destined for failure at some point.  I think what @parfait hit on though is that the DEN picks/pieces could've net us the positive-value young vets we lack right now.

I'm not sold on Levert though.  Smells like bad-team leading scorer to me.  Plus he's always hurt.

Yeah, there were rumors of a pretty decent package from Denver. Wish we could have known what that was.

53 minutes ago, High5 said:

I think the best case scenario on a trade would have been like Faried, Barton, and the 15th pick. Not exactly a franchise changer. At least not in a good way because we would have missed out on Trae and probably the rest of our current core by holding onto the playoffs for a few more years. 

I thought I remembered Gary Harris' name being mentioned also.

Pretty much the same 5 for me. Although, I kinda hope Avdija is gone so we don't have to consider him. It's mainly Okoro, Toppin, or Vassell for me.

But I kinda wish we had just signed a Tyler Eifert to take over at TE, rather than giving up a premium pick to get Hayden Hurst, although I am excited to see what Hurst can do in our offense.

This draft is starting to look better and better. Terrell looks plug-n-play. Davidson is a monster. And the two 4th rounder might be ready to contribute more than I thought they would. Drafting a punter really chafes my hide, though.