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19 hours ago, Diesel said:
When KB21 and I told the tankers that this is a 5 to 10 year fix.. nobody believed.
Many thought that the Hawks would get a top lottery pick who would turn out to be the franchise savior and we'd be in the ECF in 2 years.
NOPE. Picking a great player requires skills. I'm not ragging on SL games because I don't think they show you much except what kind of shape your players are in. There are too many selfish attitudes for SL to give meaningful data.
I'm just talking about our process. Right now, going forward we have Collins, Young, and Spellman. 3 good players. Save your breath trying to convince me about Prince, Bembry, and Dennis.. those players are just fools gold. I do believe that we should do what we can to keep Dedmon though.
When you consider our collection of players, we're still worse than the Cavs. I see it being 2023 before we are able to use some picks to trade for some difference making players. MAYBE.
Then you have to think about the Window.
The good news this offseason is that Lebron is gone. But now, there are other obstacles.
Wizards, Celtics, Pacers, and Bucks have all gotten Strong. Add to that Pistons and Heat. We are still fighting with Charlotte, NY, and Brooklyn to see who will get the better pick.
5 - 10 years.
Hmm, 5-10 years?!
We actually have 5 quality young pieces currently: the 3 that you mentioned (Collins, Young, Spellman).
But also Huerter.
And Prince is clearly, at the very least, a high quality 6th man/combo forward (and in today's NBA combo-forwards are in short supply).
Dedmon is also a quality center as you said, but he probably hold greater value in trade.
Add 2-3 more young pieces from next year's draft, which is full of quality wings.
And then we're on target to start FA shopping in the summer of 2020 (after everyone else will have spent their wad in 2019)
That's a solid 3 year rebuilding timetable, especially in the paper-thin Eastern Conference.
5-10 years?...those numbers seem to have been pulled from the nether-regions of Proctology.
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1 hour ago, vdunkndunk said:
Travis Schlenk is BK Part 2, in the worst possible sense. Basically, he thinks he’s smarter than the rest of the league and ends up drafting based on his personal obsession rather than intelligent analysis.
With BK, it was unskilled 6’8 forwards (including Sheldon Williams). With Schlenk, it’s apparently unathletic shooters who play no D and wouldn’t have been picked within 5-10 spots of where Schlenk took them by any other team.
We had Doncic. We could have had JJJ, too, or even Bamba. But no...we took the No. 3 pick and threw it in the garbage by drafting an unathetic 6’1 chucker who plays no D, airballs 3’s early in the shotclock, and likely would have been available at 12.
Oh, wait...almost forgot we also got that pick from the Mavs...except we know for a FACT it won’t be in the top 5. And even if it was, it’s likely a weaker draft—and I no longer trust Schlenk to identify talent—so extra picks to throw in the garage offer me no solace.
Get rid of Schlenk now before he picks again! (And no, this isn’t an over reaction to one summer league game...I felt even worse about this pick on draft night the moment they announced that trade.)
At least Trae can pass if he puts his mind to it, but he’d rather jack up terrible 3’s. Why turn the No. 3 pick into this guy? I’d be more surprised if he made two all-star teams in his career than I would be if you told me he’d be coming off the bench for the rest of his career after his rookie contract. We’ve been down this road before....
Schlenk's legacy may well be defined by Young vs. Doncic, but in your post-summer-league-game-#1 rant you also fumed that he took players that would not have been picked within 5-10 picks of where they were taken? If you want to make generalizations, then let's include all of Schlenk's picks:
John Collins, #19, projected Top 14 by most sites.
Tyler Dorsey, 2nd round, projected 2nd round.
Trae Young, #3, ranked #3 by TheStepien.com, ranked #2 stats/#3 overall by Kevin Pelton ESPN (would have been taken #6 by Orlando)
Kevin Huerter #19, ranked #13 by TheStepien, ranked #8 stats/#11 overall by Kevin Pelton.
Omari Spellman, #30, ranked #44 by TheStepien, ranked #34 stats/#40 overall by Kevin Pelton.
So, I guess you were right. One of Schlenk's 5 draft picks was taken 5-10 picks ahead of projections.
Damnit, can we get a refund?!
The receipts ARE less than 30 days old!
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I was pretty down on the Spellman pick when it happened.
But I went and listened to Yahoo's Draft Night coverage. Their analysts were calling for Spellman's name to be called from about the 25th pick in the first round.
And it was mentioned more than once that if he waited and came out next year that he would have been a lottery pick.
I also listened to Brad Rowland's Locked On Hawks podcast, where SI's Jeremy Woo described the Spellman pick as "inspired."
The Bleacher Report scouting report for Spellman is also very favorable, and thorough, suggesting that he even has the potential to be an elite big man.
And if you account for further improvement in his body/conditioning, I've definitely warmed up to this pick.
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On 6/8/2018 at 8:27 AM, KB21 said:
I'd be more willing to buy into Bamba if we still had Hawks University. Unfortunately, because of our owner and GM, Hawks University is now in Milwaukee.
Unfortunately players like Bamba would not have gained admission into Bud University. He requires prior work experience (ie DeMarre Carroll). Pierce University specializes in younger player development. Go...PU!
On 6/8/2018 at 8:27 AM, KB21 said:I'd be more willing to buy into Bamba if we still had Hawks University. Unfortunately, because of our owner and GM, Hawks University is now in Milwaukee.
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1 hour ago, Spud2nique said:
Are you part of the stepien? Lol. Either that or ur their #1 fan it seems.
I'm actually gonna take a deep breath and defend KB21 on this one.
At the end of the day, The Stepien is indeed a bunch of draftniks with day jobs.
But their analysis is very thoughtful. And their podcasts are downright NBA Draft TED Talks.
They're definitely not perfect. And in many cases, they just don't get around to fully studying every prospect (which I think was the case with Collins last year).
Keep in mind, regarding the 2017 Draft, that they were a lot higher on Donovan Mitchell than just about every other site.
In the end it's all about entertainment and information, and as far as NBA Draft websites go, TheStepien.com is as entertaining and informative as any out there.
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On 6/2/2018 at 9:50 AM, KB21 said:
It did not need to happen, and being as bad as the Hawks are and will be for the near future could have and should have been avoided.
The team could have re-tooled on the fly, but GM Bud mishandled that situation...
and now he's been relegated to Dahmer-Ville.
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On 5/31/2018 at 3:17 PM, KB21 said:
If he had been a guy other teams had shown interest in, I wouldn't be as skeptical about the hire.
The fact that he wasn't on anyone else's radar along with the fact that the Hawks are amid a multi year strategic tank job let's me know all I need to know about this hire. He was hired for the simple fact that he won't coach the players up enough to screw up the tank.
So a guy who is universally touted as being a Developmental Coach is being counted on to not "coach the players up enough to screw up the tank"?!
Wouldn't they have been better off hiring a guy is NOT good at developing players, in order to not screw up the so-called tank?
Your words are turning upon themselves, like an auto-immune disorder of logic.
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On 5/30/2018 at 0:49 PM, KB21 said:
Even Orlando hired a better head coach than Atlanta.
Pfft!
Orlando, the absolute WORST job out there, with a bad team AND a bad cap situation, hired an absolute RE-TREAD, and you want to give them kudos.
Unbelievable!...yet believable.
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Predicting the head coaching success of an assistant coach is always difficult. Even Bud was no sure thing 5 years ago.
But Pierce was as qualified as any assistant on the market this off-season (Fizdale does not count as an assistant).
Just because someone such as James Borrega is from the Spurs tree does not guarantee success. Borrega ended up taking the second worst job available in Charlotte (the worst being Orlando). Two bad teams with bad cap situations.
Based on resume, Pierce has the qualifications to be both bridge coach and long-term coach.
He is a suitable bridge coach because of his developmental background.
And he can be the long term answer because of his league-wide connections.
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3 hours ago, KB21 said:
So, he’s the top candidate for the top two jobs open right now. That should kill some narratives some are having when it comes to Bud.
Bud is the best candidate available, being considered for the two best openings. What's the narrative?
You mean the narrative that Toronto is considering replacing their coach who couldn't beat LeBron, with a coach who was 0 and 8 against LeBron? That narrative?
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2 minutes ago, sturt said:
I don't disagree with the premise that he's "just plain dorky."
What your analysis is missing is that I'm asserting that there is a difference between his demeanor in his first couple of months on the job, and what we've routinely seen ever since.
I don't know, I guess I just don't see a big difference.
Early on, he was uncomfortable as he was trying to outline his plans for the team.
Lately, he's been uncomfortable while detailing the breakup of their marriage to Bud, without divulging too many details.
Just two different versions of awkwardness.
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23 hours ago, KB21 said:
I will not support a process that I do not believe in, and I believe nothing good comes from intentionally losing. However, I'm curious to see your reaction when the 24 wins from 2017-18 becomes the 15-18 they will get in 2018-19? Because this team is going to be historically bad in 2018-19.
Hmm, another bold statement based on ______?_____ facts.
They will have an improving front court that has already put up numbers (Collins and Prince).
A veteran backcourt with athleticism (Schröder and Bazemore).
The addition of veterans added either on 1 year deals or as salary dumps.
And a head coach who emphasizes defense, which is the easiest way to team improvement with lesser talent onboard.
All of that points to a slight increase in wins, to the upper 20's/low 30's.
Hardly a backslide to some sort of "historically bad" win total in the teens.
Remember, the so-called "tank" is only a function of year one of a rebuild. That is now out of the way.
The goal moving forward is squeezing as many wins, and as much development, as possible out of a young core, without adding any bad contracts.
There is no further need to lose as part of the rebuild. That was the directive for Year 1 only.
That's how a proper rebuild works. You don't need a high lottery pick every year (which is what Sam Hinkie got wrong).
You just need multiple 1st-rounders, you need to hit on a majority of them, and then you develop them.
And that's all the Schlenk has preached from the beginning.
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1 hour ago, sturt said:
Maybe he can breathe a little confidence in his boss (?).... hehe...
Honestly, I disagree this assessment of Schlenk's demeanor. I honestly believe another poster who said that he is just plain dorky. Like another person pointed out, he's the same way on his softball radio show with Hugh Douglas and John Fricke. He's just socially awkward, and reportedly with a sarcastic sense of humor as well. I don't think his press conference persona is anything more than social awkwardness.
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This delay in naming a coach seems odd, especially with the interviews reportedly having been completed. Could they be waiting for an out-of-the-box candidate to be free of his commitments, such as Brent Barry?
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2 hours ago, KB21 said:
Well, I’m certainly not going to be shepherded into thinking that every move they make will work out particularly when I absolutely hate the direction this GM chose to go in to build this team.
Wait! I finally figured it out!
You're a Bot, working for the SEO/Internet Marketing team at the Squawk, to boost traffic.
Damnit! I can't believe I fell for it all this time!
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28 minutes ago, KB21 said:
LOL if you truly buy that.
Well, it was written by Kevin Arnovitz of ESPN, who carries far less bias regarding the Hawks (zero) than naysayers such as yourself (infiniti).
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14 minutes ago, KB21 said:
The desire to let the young kids just run around without structure is why this team has moved on from a great coach in Bud, and why this coaching search will end with them hiring a no name coach from the Philly staff.
He's not a no name just because you hadn't heard of him.
Remember, he was mentioned to the media by the widest range of league personnel of all of the assistant coaches out there.
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4 minutes ago, KB21 said:
That's unlikely since Darvin Ham interviewed for the job.
Good point, although Ham is in a slightly different situation, as he is in danger of being unemployed if someone else gets the head job and doesn't retain him.
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42 minutes ago, KB21 said:
So, the candidates for the Hawks job are: Jay Larranaga, Nate Tibbetts, Darvin Ham, Stephen Silas, Lloyd Pierce, and Jarron Collins.
The only coach in this group that has drawn interest from other teams is Jay Larranaga, who is one of two finalists for the Charlotte job.
Larranaga and Pierce intrigue me the most from this list, with Tibbets as third choice.
Larranaga has a nice pedigree with his dad Jim, his experience working with Brad Stevens, and his player development background.
Pierce also has extensive player development experience, has worked for two analytics-based organizations in Memphis (under John Hollinger) and Philly, and he's even gotten kudos from LeBron from his time as player development coach in Cleveland.
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11 minutes ago, KB21 said:
He didn't pursue the Suns job. He pulled his name out of the running. He also didn't "pursue" the Knicks job. It's more likely that he has had contact with Milwaukee and has already discussed contract parameters with them, and because of this, he pulled his name out of the Knicks running.
But you can continue on with the unjustified Bud hate.
It has indeed been widely reported that Bud had a negative experience at his Phoenix interview and decided against pursuing the position.
But, what are your sources for saying that Bud didn't pursue the Knicks job and pulled out of the running? I just didn't see this reported anywhere. If anything, there was Marc Berman's piece saying that Bud badly wanted the Knicks job.
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34 minutes ago, KB21 said:
Interesting that Udoka and Borrega of San Antonio were confirmed early on as planned interviewees, but they didn't end up getting interviewed. Could Bud have bad-mouthed the organization to his Spurs brethren?
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2 hours ago, KB21 said:
I don't want to veer this off from the initial discussion point, but how exactly is that more Celtics than 76ers? This is a clear 76ers style tank job where there is absolutely no hope of winning anytime soon.
Boston made a point of acquiring other teams' first round draft picks, thereby accumulating draft capital, and also removing the need to maximize their own draft picks by losing. They could simply develop a young team and motivate them to play to win, while still adding young talent to the roster.
Philadelphia, on the other hand, was focused on achieving high lottery picks year after year, thereby requiring heavy losing on a yearly basis. This is why Sam Hinkie's "process" dragged on longer, before the league stepped in and ushered in Bryan Colangelo to accelerate the rebuild.
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34 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:
So what happens if the Hawks start the season 5 - 1? Does management order the coach to play the good players less, so that they'll have a greater chance to lose games and stay in the lottery?
That's the beauty of having Cleveland's #1 next year, as well as any additional 2019 and 2020 #1's picked up in trade this summer and next summer, in exchange for salary dumps. We won't be a playoff team because of being flush with youngsters, but we won't have to intentionally lose either. We'll have draft capital without tanking. It's more the Celtics than the Sixers model. And it's now bearing fruit for Boston.
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On 4/27/2018 at 0:41 PM, AHF said:
Do you see the Dikembe comparison because when I look at their frames and how they move on the floor I don't see it at all.
The more I see of Bamba, the more Unicorn I see in him. He's got far better lateral agility and handles than the average stiff his size. If he has the determination to match, watch out!
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Nobody believed?
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If a team, like Sacramento, keeps picking in the high lottery, they're simply not hitting on enough of those picks. The successful franchises hit on at least a majority of their 1st round picks. The Sacratomatoes of the world hit on a minority of them, and thus stay embedded in the Top 10 of the draft.
If Travis Schlenk makes approximately 8 first round selections from 2017 through 2020, and secures at least above average players with at least 5 of those selections, while maintaining salary cap flexibility, then we're in business.
It really can be that simple.