Hawkmoor

Hawks could tank, get the first pick in the lottery, and be the FIRST team in NBA history to ship the number one pick over seas and forget him..........

5 hours ago, kg01 said:

No, it's not.

/thread

LMAO ....

Once korver stopped hitting shots, the hawk's weaknesses became apparent.  The NBA is still a inside game.....

45 wins.........and might not make the playoffs..  

I kept telling y'all ......

Too bad he doesnt have ANY help in the paint. If Cleveland had him, they would be UNBEATABLE......

On 12/11/2015, 11:15:37, hawkman said:

This is why the Hawks absolutely have to start taking the Draft seriously. The whiffs and highly questionable decisions in the first round have had a cumulative impact on this team.

Thats all ive been saying. If you gonna just THROW away picks, at LEAST try to find a guy who JUST rebounds or blocks shots. I dont care if he gets ZERO points, thats what your STRETCH BIGS that bud is in love with, are for.

12 hours ago, LamarHampton said:

I think I might be coming over to the dark side on this Hardaway deal. Looking worse and worse with every passing day.

And damn, if Pettaway ain't tearing things up. I really liked that kid.  It's tough to be an Atlanta fan, that's for sure. Bad move, followed by bad luck, followed by more bad moves.

Maybe I should start following the WNBA. At least we have much better odds there. There's some fine ass giant women,too. And I always liked climbing trees, so there's that.

 

 

gulp.......WHICH one??????? LMAO

2 hours ago, Lurker said:

Dude's playing like how Dirk does, he's not playing only in the post. And...

 

Perhaps...maybe the main reason for this is Teague and Schröder don't have a respected mid range more than bigs shooting jumpers?

 

The only way your idea would work for ATL is........BLOW IT UP completely. Sell off everybody. Go complete tank mode to get at least one star, and get guards who can shoot in the mid range.

Man,  Porzingis got a COMPLETE game. Dirk is a perimeter player. Porzingas has the potential to be a Tim Duncan type player for the Knicks as far as his influence on that organization. Trust me, they trying to figure out how to get Car ME low out of there........lmao

Im sitting here FURIOUS as yall know at the Hawks and their garbage approach to the draft and finding a big. Ive been meaning to post just about Kristaps  but what the heck, the dude is sooo good, that he dumps on ANY Hawk draft pick since they been in Atlanta. Name ANY Hawk draft pick since they been in Atlanta that is good as this kid.  Wilkins was drafted by Utah.  Man, this kid is a ROOKIE, and i would take him over TWO hawks right now. ANY TWO HAWKS!! He is a ROOKIE. Once he gets his feet REALLY up under him, perennial allstar.  I dont know WHO in the knicks organization saw this coming ( i know Phil is gonna get the credit, but he didnt do this). 14 points 8.6 rebounds, 1.9 blocks coming out the GATE as a rookie.

THIS is the type of big that effects games. That stretch crap, teams let Horford and Sap do that. They drop their bigs into the paint to stop the Hawks guards drives to the basket and LET Horford stand out there and not effect the game.

I agree...hawk's look at the draft as something they HAVE to do, not as a tool to build......" Oh, that pesky draft"......

But, but they have stretch bigs.....LMAO

10 hours ago, Lurker said:

The only really good trade bait that the Hawks even have right now is Paul Millsap. May be able to get something with Horford and Schröder, but both of their values have plummeted into the trash can right now.

 

How about...the answer is Atlanta has no trade bait right now?

same ole hawks............

" how long do you think it will be before they catch on that we aint REALLY trying to win big ?? "

12 hours ago, SalvorMallow said:

Al was an absolute mess out there tonight.  He was avoiding contact under the basket, getting bullied for rebounds, and kept demanding the ball to iso into a defended fadeaway from the mid post.  

It's getting extremely frustrating to watch him out on the court with all the mistakes he's making.  He's so damned soft that he can't even make a move on Collison in the post.

Is it time to consider a trade at the deadline?

 ESPN NBA TRADE MACHINE says that Horford, Scott and Mack for Howard would go thru.........

No matter how you look at it, bud blew the hawk's draft pick....

On 12/5/2015, 8:52:48, NBASupes said:

We need a new GM. Bud needs to stick to coaching. 

Why would you trade the number 15 pick in the draft for a guy that you put into d league?  bud know he would have to be developed?  There was NOBODY on the board that could have sat on the hawks bench and got FIVE minutes?  At 15?

THIS IS WHY I clown the decisions they are making. It's as if they don't wanna get over the top....

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11 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

You do know that's also right about or soon there after when he started having elbow problems,  hence the off season surgery. He saud he has to adjust his shooting mechanics in season.

Whatever the reason, he isn't the same.....

Korver been garbage ever since he got to the all-star game last year....he is half the reason the hawk's are not the same team they were early last year.....

I thought Hardaway was brought to Atlanta to rectify that......

can he get 8 boards a game????????

I'm telling y'all why the hawk's aren't making moves to get OVER the top, but excuses are being made For the investors. It's all good. I guess perennial playoff exits are enough to placate Hawk's fans.....carry on. .

47 minutes ago, sturt said:

I'd have to see substantially  more evidence before I could get to that conclusion. Reason for suspicion? Okay. Reason for conclusion? Not nearly enough, imo.

I mean, if they were this flippant about it, there really wasn't any substantial reason to rid themselves of Ferry, was there? THAT, to me, would have been better evidence for that conclusion, b/c paying off Ferry certainly wasn't helpful to the bottom line. Bud brought last season's success, but what put it over the top is the perception that he's a younger Pop. So, once the decision is made to jettison Ferry, the decision practically... and pragmatically... made itself.

One more thing. Forgot to address the Ferry situation. Ferry was the FIRST THING that had to go. Paying him to leave was little compared to potential LOST revenue by keeping him.  This is about increasing PROFITS. How do you do that? There are several ways. One is FAN ATTENDANCE and season tickets. NO way was Ferry staying on board with the risk of alienating thousands of fans in Atlanta. That wouldve hurt the bottom line. Thats why Steve Koonin has been in OVERDRIVE repairing the damage that Ferry and Gearon did to the public perception of the team, so that the investors will be happy.  Man, this thing isnt hard to figure out.

ON a side note, the Braves are doing the EXACT same thing.  The only difference is they LIED about what they are doing, but their moves are the direct opposite. New stadium, increased profits, potential flip for liberty media. They have gotten rid of all but 3 contracts on that team. Grant Hill and his partners are smart enough to NOT come out and say they are gonna do this or that. They sitting back in the cut and waiting on the flip.............

5 minutes ago, kg01 said:

'Cause it matches the agenda someone's trying to put forth?

Also, the Spurs owner must be in it to flip it too since he's not making himself the story like Cuban does in Dallas.  Heat owners too.  

Show me proof that Grant Hill and his business partners are NOT private equity investors, then we can talk.  That's what they DO....the end game is to flip the team.

15 minutes ago, AHF said:

I don't see any connection between a private equity model of investment (buy with intent to invest and then flip for a profit) and making Bud GM.  If "a" is true (the private equity assumption) why does "b" (Bud = GM) follow?  

MONEY INVESTED in players. Bud made ZERO big moves at the trade deadline last year, when it was obvious the hawks have a flawed roster. He will do the same this year. The Hawks are gonna HOLD the course on payroll.  With the private equity model, im pretty sure they are using OTHER people's money to fund this whole deal. Thats the leverage. In order to do that, the Hawks revenue must be at a high enough spread vs debt to get back the principal and interest on the funding.  Thats why they are remodeling Phillips Arena. Sure, there are some design flaws in the stadium, but not enough to warrant what the new investors are doing, UNLESS, the goal is to increase operating revenues AND the end game of increasing the value of the team, so that all parties make a profit. 

The timing was PERFECT.  With the new tv contracts coming out next year, the value of all NBA teams will increase. If you DONT increase payroll to keep up, the profit spread INCREASES substantially. Grant Hill knows what he is doing. They dont recruit dummies up at Duke University. He is a real investor.