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55 minutes ago, deester11 said:

Anybody saying Trae is a bad teammate is buying into bs narratives.  Pause.  Look at this FO and ask yourself if they've done the best thing for Trae and the Hawks.  The answer is fk no.only in Atlanta can you have a bona fide stud, flaws and all and pick him apart because national news or a local dumbaz says what he thinks national sources say.  Let it go Jeff..Terrell..Trae ain't the issue.

Brother, this has been said since '22 that you cannot build a championship team around Trae. You just cannot. The Knicks aren't even building around Brunson. They have a smart FO that saw success with Villanova and grabbed three players from championship pedigree. 

They're building a team of offensive AND DEFENSIVE dogs. Trae is not the issue but he is definitely not the solution or center piece you build around 

Energy

Defense 

56 minutes ago, givemesome1ce1 said:

The main thing to take away from this game is that’s it easier to play better defense with one point guard on the court than two. This is why we have to trade Dejounte Murray. Also, we need more size on this team to make it easier for Trae. Good win.

 No...You've had 6 long years to figure out what you need for Trae. And this current F.O. wears velcro straps on their sneakers. They are incompetent. Best thing this F.O. can do is Trade Trae with Spurs. This team will flourish sharing the rock with young dogs who are physical and can play defense 

On 2/24/2024 at 2:01 PM, NBASupes said:

This video was pretty ass. 

I'm a Hawks fan brother, but I know when I must take my truth pill and heal from it. If you think that whole video was inaccurate then you are indeed just a homer in denial. 

Only Hawks fans cannot see the history in only Two guards led a team to chips.

#11 OG, the top #5 PG of all time and #30 the greatest shooter of all time. 

Both guards had two coaches in their first 5 yrs. 

Two coaches in 10 yrs

Our lead, our money, our superstar, our biggest investment, "the culture" pick has had three coaches in 5 years. In year 6, a losing record. 

Those guys in the video nailed it, basketball fans around the country knows it but Hawks fans holding on to '21 playoffs in July. 

This video on the Hawks from an unbiased person sums up this team perfectly.

https://youtu.be/oxs7fruPBac?si=PhcQtAkZxqlUYqpg

Could have had Haliburton....

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

OH Really???

What Allstar big have we put beside Trae?  It's not the coaching or the Front office that makes the difference.  It's the players. 

When Lebron was in Cleveland.   Coaches and FO never made the difference.   In fact, on his return tour, he took Blatt to the championship game.   However, what Lebron realized is that if you want to win a chip, you have to surround him with the right players.   That is why he builds teams.  He doesn't care who the coach or the GM is...  Just so long as they don't get in the way of him bringing in the right players. 

And if Trae is Batman... 

Look at what we have surrounded him with.

DJ and JC?

Here is how JC has ranked in his career...

Here is how DJ has ranked in his Career....

 

And Just for grins...  Here is CC's career ranking.

So this is the core that we have put around Trae and you Say....  We have tried everything??  Looks like we have lined Trae with some mid players and expected him to do miracle work?

Here's what Bron needed to be competitive (AD)...

 

That's just for a Lebron Led team to be competitive and you think bringing in guys who at best was 52 best NBA player is good enough for Trae??

 

 

You guys will push this goal post back until he's on an Olympic team. Trae has never won a championship at any high level. High school doesn't count. 

You can't stack a team around him. It's impossible. Trae is a stat packing Robin. It just is what it is. I've come to face reality. This team cannot be fixed in time, in Trae prime years to get him all the tools and all stars you guys are asking for. 

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Spend money to go into the LT. No reason for the depth to be too 3rd string. 

You gotta hit on the Murray trade. The 2nd biggest issue you got is fit next to Trae. A big wing who can defend 1-3 who can shoot and be a secondary ball handler with plus size. This player is hard as f*** to find but there are some younger prototypes out there that have this in pieces and you have to develop the rest. Murray for that and picks might be the best value. 

The biggest issue is at center. Capela regression offensively has killed this team. OO is just nowhere near as good Clint in scoring as a movement big. Regardless what the stats say, he's just not the same threat as Houston Capela or prime Atlanta Capela. Just too small and not the same size that takes a lot of space to free up Trae. Defensively, OO is not as good as Clint was and Clint isn't as good as he used to be. I know defense is critical at the 5 but I truly believe with Trae at the helm, offense is more critical as he uses the center as an extention of him. This is why our best success came in the ECF year. We haven't got that verison of CC since. 

Atlanta has to decide if there is that center available. If it's KAT, you gotta land him. Look at FA, no one is available. Look at the draft. You got Flip who maybe not good enough at the movement and finishing but provides shooting and spacing. You got Clingan who provides the best mix of offense and defense but offensively, is his upside high enough and he has injury and health concerns. Missi who has Shades of Capela but needs a couple years of development before he even plays. Then you got Edey, the best offensive big in this draft but can he physically translate to the NBA. If he does, he's probably the next best thing after KAT as an offensive big needed with Trae. So Atlanta gotta solve that. 

Then Atlanta has to get an impact starter from a team scared of the LT. I don't know who that is yet. But they lack starters. 

Moves I would make. KAT for Murray and OO is the goal. If we can't, I don't believe Trey Murphy or Herb Jones is the right path. Then I want Dyson Daniels, Larry Nance Jr. And two unprotected 1sts from LAL or NO. I want that LA 1st. I think it will be for 2025. Not really hyped on the other picks they got with the Bucks. Late 1sts aren't appealing. Trey Murphy is the player that you want from NO but NO hasn't made him available yet from my understanding. Zion is obviously a target but he's not available either. 

Draft one of the bigs with our top 15 pick. I would draft Edey. He's the biggest risk but he's the highest reward. I would really have really do deep research into this as the Hawks. You really have no choice. I would also evaluate Sarr who's far more defensive as well but is expected to be in the top 3. 

I think the addition of Nance would do wonders for Bey on the bench. We definitely need a legit backup PG who's like a starter. I would consider JC TPE for D Russell. I have zero interest in Russell for Murray in any deal but something like cap space for Russell help. We need a backup PG who fits this scheme. We just don't need him to start. There just aren't many low end starting PGs who are available unless we do a SnT for Tyus Jones. That might be our best route honestly. If

Trae/D'Lo or Jones or even a SnT with GS for CP3 if possible/Kobe

Daniels or at best Murphy/Bogi/Kobe

Hunter/Bey/Gueye/Lundy

JJ/Nance/Bey/Gueye

OO/Capela/draft pick center (Edey is my choice) 

Hawks have two 1sts but right now, that Kings pick is looking shaky for 2024. They are falling and the teams in the balance are a rising Warriors team and a Laker team in a playin could be hard ish to overcome. That said, we need a 2025 1st. 

The Hawks just need more development with this current group. Obviously, they are stuck with Clint as a backup but Giving our draft pick or picks, a year of development in the Gleague is the best route. 

The Hawks have to get a starter level backup PG, they have to get another 3/4 who's impactful. Atlanta has to have depth this year. Guys like Kobe, Gueye, Lundy, and whoever we draft just aren't ready to win or beat out the guys in front of them to win. They need to be 3rd stringers. 

If a team like the Pels wants OO, it's gonna cost them Murphy as well as Val. OO is still in high demand around the league and he fits Zion exceptionally well. So Dyson, Murphy, and Val plus picks for Murray and OO is pretty much the deal in my opinion. 

We've been trying to fix what works with Trae for 6 years. Three coaches, 2.5 GMs. 

It's simply not gonna work building around Trae my man. Teams will still score big against us. We can score just to give the points right back

1 hour ago, terrell said:

70 + mill $ a year worth of MID.. smh

Its laughable at this point. I can't even blame the players anymore. I literally cannot stand Resslers and Landry. 

Clueless organization 

He should have skipped it. Just chill with family. They don't reapect him why be around all the fakeness? Plus the game just sucks now. Adam Silver is ruining the league

Bring Colin Sexton back home. 

Lets get Bring Brandon Boston Jr back home. 

Lets get Rui in here 

Lets get J Allen in here. 

17 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Rui straight up asschecks. He's terrible for modern Basketball. I would take everyone over him including Bey. I hate his game. 

Hawks have no value pieces other teams need. Why wouldn't you want Rui? His mid range is easy buckets all day. Greater than Hunter, OO, Capela. Rebuild young Hawks would benefit with Rui and Jalen. Hell, try to Emoni Bates. This team as is is not going anywhere. You see how much the Bucks care? Damn near 20 games over .500 and still aren't satisfied.

Hawks need to rebuild now because Orlando is locked in now. The Heat aren't going anywhere. Boston is a lock. 76ers are scary. Once Cavs figure out a replacement for Garland they will be serious. Hawks are a stick in the mud. 

17 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Rui straight up asschecks. He's terrible for modern Basketball. I would take everyone over him including Bey. I hate his game. 

Better college career than OO, bettee scorer than Capela, can shoot the 3 better than all Hawks bigs combined. Has more playoff experience than OO. Played alongside one of the greatest to ever play the game. 

4 hours ago, Sothron said:

Uh...no to the first sentence. Hachimura is trash. Lazy, inefficient and plays no defense. Want zero part of him.

Agree with the next two sentences.

FWIW Nick Ressler is an avid NBA 2K gamer. He used to bring trades he got in franchise mode to the rest of the FO. He stopped doing it after I mentioned it on  here. 

Ressler has a burner account on the Squawk too. I don't know who it is but he's on here. So feel free to talk to Nick. He will see it.

Lololol awesome

50 minutes ago, Watchman said:

I have no idea.  Sounds like the FO wants a chance to screw up more drafts.  Giving away a very good player for junk.  It's becoming a trend.  Fans ought to boycott home games to let Ressler  know how sick of this kind of stuff we are.

Hawks have nothing to offer. No one wants anything the Hawks has. Its time to rebuild. Trae is not getting a ring in Atlanta. 

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

Somebody Tell me that This is BS...

Caught a podcast (Knicks fan).. They are high fiving and stuff.

Then I read this:

"3 team trade. We land dlo aj griffin and Christian wood. We only give up mavs pick and fournier and we keep grimes. Clint and murray to the Lakers and hawks gets 2 1st rounders fournier hachimura and some other guy. It's perfect"

 

Tell me this is BS!!!

 

Hachimura is better than all Hawks big men. Hawks need to rebuild via draft. I so wish the Hawks had the Pelicans roster. They are loaded with good picks from the draft. Only problem is Hawks have Landry and Kyle as GMs and possibly an owner son who plays nba 2k

Could we make a deal with the Pelicans? They have too much good young talent. We need about two of their players

Emoni Bates could be a bucket in a Hawks uni. 

Just get rid of Landry and Kyle. God I can't stand Arthur Blank and Ressler! These guys are clueless about pro sports. 

All I want is for the billionaire owner to not be cheap. Im sure he gave Star way more than Hawks players combined. But maybe these players don't deserve it.

I want the owner to stop meddling. Kick his son out of any sports activities 

Find and pay a GM to run this team. 

Snyder has to go because Nate was better. (Sorry Ray Young)

Trae has to go man. Can't build around a 6"0 pg. 

7 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Why do you feel bad for Quin?  He's failing coaching wise too, with some of these trash lineups he's putting out on the floor.

I feel bad he took this team as a job. Quin needs a good cast to perform. 

Landry Fields was never a GM. No where near it. Banging on the table and pointing around the room when he drafted Bufkin, I knew this team had no chance.  Lets shake the team up because its not getting past Bucks, Pacers, Heat, Celtics in a 7 game series currently constructed. 

I feel bad for Quinn. Dude doesn't deserve this

I was told Pierce and Nate was the problem. 

Then was told Trae was the problem...

Who is the problem now?

This is Hawks F O 

1 hour ago, Chrimturn said:

Bright side, 53 to go.  Finish 33-20, end up 45-37.  It could take 50…but 45 just might make the 6.  

…Maybe.  Lol.

Its possible. Not like the guys are getting blown out.