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2 hours ago, Diesel said:

 

Just notice the position that Travis is in in this picture.   Looks like he's being yelled at by the boss and the other two are just giving him the what for also. 

About Liffmann, this guy is a Film studies guy turned beat reporter for the Warriors.  Now, he's our director of scouting!  I guess it's not what you know, but it is who you know. 

 

 

Brother you're reaching lol. I think the terrible, clueless owner is mature enough to respect another grown man with other men around to not yell at him. A gentleman settles his quarrels in private. 

8 hours ago, NBASupes said:

LeBron has a lot of fans. Many of them Hawks fans

I'll give you the whole Ohio red wave is in town pass and they were repping their hometown guy.

I just wish they'd pull a Braves and move the team to Cobb too. Get some new blood in those seats

56 minutes ago, Diesel said:

This team hasn't peaked because this team has barely played.   How can you talk about "this team" when most of the time, we have starters missing?  Moreover, we need better coaching. 

If a coaching move is going to be made, it will be at the break. 

Im just tired of making excuses. We're gonna do this every year all the while the injured continues to age. Its always gonna be Hunter and Capela our two best defenders out. 

Its always gonna be its not on Trae its on coaching.

Our excuse will always be this team has not had time to gel. Anyway, hope a new coach comes in and develop everyone so we can just plug n play the next man when someone is injured. TY Jerome is plug n play. We passed on him in the draft. He was only the leader of the UVA championship team. Kyle Guy is overseas. He was only the leading scorer on the UVA championship team. 3pt sniper 

6 hours ago, Sothron said:

We will go through at least 3 coaches before this team even considers trading Trae Young. He is the franchise. Seriously. We have the #2 ticket sales per arena size in the entire NBA because of #11 plays for the Hawks. He's literal box office. Ressler will never trade him unless Trae asks to be traded and Trae is not asking for that.

Harden wants to go back to Houston (I know you know this but others need to see this) because he's literally nicknamed King of Houston. He misses that. He wants to  be the franchise guy again. Trae knows he has that NOW and he has ZERO REASON to leave Atlanta. Trae IS the King of Atlanta. He KNOWS THIS PEOPLE. 

They will trade the entire roster and go through as many coaches as possible before they even seriously consider trading him. 

So all this griping about Trae, yeah his defense is bad, but you guys that go out of your way to talk about him need to come to grips with this. Seriously. I'm not getting onto anyone. I'm just being a big brother here. This is how it is and we ALL need to come to some kind of peace about it.

Its hard to come to grips when you feel he's peaked and this team has peaked already. But the owner and his wife Star are clueless of how a proper nba team looks. I hate dumb, stubborn owners. They give off a trickle-down effect where the gm is crippled, the head coach is crippled down to your star. 

One thing I hate most about this city is that arena sounding like Staples. Chanting MVP then panning to our own "superstar"

The lack of respect this town has for its own team is incredible 

2 hours ago, JTB said:

What’s interesting is that @Sothron 

 

however the reality is that Trae truly is an elite on screen scorer

Ah cmon now man elite? Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Curry, Ginobil, were elite at it. Its a very small list. Nate is terrible down to every letter in the word but Young just stands there without the ball. Guy doesn't even try to burn a little energy without. This is why he gets the bad rap across the country. He's the face but not a leader. Surely he has a few plays of his own under his belt to get himself open off screens because he is "elite" at it. 

So when you say he is elite with screens are you saying the screener sets him up, rolls and Young rewards him? Or are you saying he is great at coming off of screens through traffic getting himself open and scoring? 

Ty Jerome...

Still have Kyle Guy overseas smh. Schlenk never watched college hoops. 

Both could replace Holiday bros and score and play decent defense 

47 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I say we fire the whole staff. 

Bring in D'Antoni and Jarron Collins and whoever else he needs. 

If Landry were the GM with Power, he should have been on the phone with D'Antoni already. 

 

I agree about new staff. Never been sold on D'Antoni though

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

We touting winnin' or statin'? 

Definitely winning. I dont want Luka

Interim coach on the bench or outside coach? 

9 hours ago, kg01 said:

Hawks: .5 games into play-in

Mavs: .5 games out of play-in

Geez

?

60/20/10

Geez

38 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

To me, all of these issues aren't an indication that Trae Young is hard to build around.  The biggest thing with Trae, are his shot selection and his turnovers, specifically turnovers that can quickly go the other way and be turned into points.  And shot selection pertains to the type of shots in which he's rushing to get it off, or taking very difficult shots.  Not the open 32 foot shots that people hate, but he actually makes.

Then again, it's not like we're trying to construct an offense that see Trae get the ball coming off of a screen or in different areas of the court.

 

To me, building around Trae is easy.  And we've done it before.

• 2nd ball handler on the floor that can get his own shot
• 3 and D player who can make a 3, and put the ball on the floor
• 4-man who can defend and get his own offense ( or make the 3 )
• 5-man who can rim protect, roll to the basket, and set solid screens to free Trae for open layups

Our fan base really underestimated Gallo's ability to not only make a 3, but to create his own shot.  If Collins had Gallo's offensive arsenal, he'd be an all-star player.  Gallo could shoot, post up, and draw fouls.

 

 

So that brings us to the REAL QUESTION . . . 

Who outside of Trae, is a player that some would consider an all-star caliber player?  

I think Capela's defensive impact is all-star caliber.  I think Dejounte, at times, plays at an all-star caliber level. But who else?  Bogi's shooting, when on, is a game changer. But is Bogi better than Tyler Herro?  Is Capela better than Jared Allen?  Is Dejounte better than Jalen Brunson?

The true championship level teams have at least 2 guys playing at all-star level on almost a nightly basis.  And you need one of those players playing at at least a 1st or 2nd team All-NBA level.  With Trae's shooting struggles, he won't get that recognition.

So we are what we are folks.  I think we can play much better basketball for 48 minutes, with the personnel we have.  But do we need a tweak in the lineup or added personnel?  Do we need a coaching change?  Do we need to deal 1 player off the team?  The answers to all of those questions may be YES, at some point in the season.

But as of right now, we have no choice but to see if these guys can play through it, get healthy, and figure things out.

 

So then the only team that fits that mold is Boston, GSW, Suns. All teams with good coaching who had players buy into their roles but didn't build around a pg strengths. 

The Hawks already have what you're asking for. They just dont have coaching to hone in the talent. And Young is still hard to build around because his defense is 0. Doesn't matter if you score 30 and 10 when the other team can match it. On offense against good teams on a good night its 5 on 5. But on defense its 5 on 4. How do you fix that problem? Go out and trade for guys who are both elite on offense and defense to mask Young defensive shortcomings? 

44 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Not opposed to Nash.  I know Trae respects him a lot which is a great first step.  Nash never had a chance in Brooklyn with Kyrie up there... Udoka I'm not 100% sold on, probably rather have Snyder to be honest.

What makes you more sold on Snyder than Udoka? Udoka has been around the NBA much longer. 

He controlled two allstars, made them play defense. 

Got his team to finals and almost won his 1st year. You guys hold on to Trae 1st ECF appearance and believe he's the world. 

Nash had two superstars was the most disappointing team to date. 

Snyder has never been to an NBA finals. Udoka would have Murray who is a defensive nightmare and Hunter who is a defensive nightmare. He would have OO, a younger but different type of Horford. To have him build this team with a PG of his liking would be a dream. He turned a bullheaded pg into a leader who knew his role and left everything on the court. 

2 minutes ago, Diesel said:

was better at 23, 24..had a better coach, better team and still no chip. It aint easy 

8 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

No thanks.  You don't like Trae's selfishness?  The guy who shoots 20 shots a game with half as many assists isn't going to feel better. 

Dude this team is not a championship team. And many teams aren't. They're not going back to ECF the way its currently ran and constructed. You're gonna have a revolving door of coaches to fit one player style of play, you're gonna have players traded in and out to fit one player style of play, and a fall guy GM who will eventually get canned trying to piece together a team to fit the play of one 6ft pg who cannot play a lick of defense. How do you win like that? How are you satisfied? 

Just let Rayford and his little daddy go home. Send SGA over here and lets run 

2 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

He cant do much with this squad. You know this. Im actually starting to think Nate runs a limited offense because its the only thing that works with this team and head

TS is a weasel 

Rayford could be a headache if he continues to let the game come to him. He growing

Great test for Hawks. Great game but geez Orlando is gonna be good for years. They are young stacked

Hunter three point shot stays in the air in slow motion

The disrespect for Youngs three pointer...

On 12/16/2022 at 12:49 PM, macdaddy said:

Trae never wanted to be the villain.  The fact that he is has come directly from the media who wanted him to bust, from guys like Nash and some players who were fine with CP, Steph, Harden getting fouls for throwing themselves into guys but somehow when little Trae did it it was an affront to basketball.  So much so that the league goes out of it's way to stop it.

Trae played with a smile on his face the first 3 years.  He seems to have lost that.   

We don't see this Trae much anymore

I think the villain thing started from the way he used to get to the line. To the purists it was an ugly brand of basketball. But he has adapted to it and thats what great players do. 

2 minutes ago, terrell said:

Positives

D Hunter with 4 boards and making his FT's....

Your boy Hunter could be good though under the right organization I feel.