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22 minutes ago, marco102 said:

We are talking Hawks.

Are you sure these players didn't have injuries?

Dwight was def injury related and he was never quick. So how does that support your argument?

Tyrese Evans had one season over 20 points per game if my memory serves. So how was he considered a star.

Deron Williams wasn't that injury related and he lost the ability to shoot anything? Was he ever an all NBA player?

Kevin Love - when was he ever super athletic and he was not quick as Chris Paul or Trae Young currently is. Also 27 and 28 wasn't he with LBJ and playing a different role?

you be pushing that goal post back. No they were not injured at 27. Definitely dont recall any of that. You asked me what stars I gave you stars. Now you're directly comparing them to Rayford with speed. With Rayford his speed is his top strength. Of course Love wasn't fast but he was a scorer, a banger, a rebounding machine. 

No Deron Williams certainly was not injured playing for team USA at 27 lol. 

No Dwight Howard was not injured leaving Orlando in his prime. 

I will say you have been entertaining for me. Im not a casual bud. I dont play nba2k 

Its been fun, sport.

Lets go Hawks! Holla at me in new game thread

3 hours ago, marco102 said:

So you have no empirical evidence to back up your argument which is why I'm asking what other player comps you are basing your opinion in.

Nothing you said above bothers me. 

I'm not an 11 fan. I'm a Hawks fan. If they decide to move on from Trae, I'd still be here rooting for the Hawks. 

Deron Williams, Kevin Love, Dwight Howard, Stephon Starbury, Tyreke Evans. Thats just off the top of the dome. I can go on and on about players who hit their stride early and leveled out. You're a casual bball fan cant believe im going back and forth with you. This is like talking to a 2k head. But the mod here told me to chill for the most part because he thinks I'm trolling so I'm gonna ease on the back and forth. We've gone away from Hawks at this point. 

18 minutes ago, marco102 said:

No, you were indicating that you didn't think he would get worse which you finally admitted.  So why making a post like you didn't insinuate it.  I have time too so let's go all day. 

It doesn't bother me if you don't think Trae will get better. I'm asking you questions to understand your reasoning. 

You also didn't respond to the below. 

Trust me you'll talk yourself into circles before I will.  Like you just did. 

Im not talking about other players Im talking about Rayford. Why do you want to know about other star players? Once again I dont think he will be better by 27 or 28. I dont think he will be worst but he wont be better than he is currently now. That bothers you. He won't be an olympian either. That bothers you. I haven't even mentioned the defense. Yes, that goes along with your attributes as well. If he cant play defense now is he gonna get better the older he gets? I look at this currents Hawks build through a different lens than you and that bothers you. I dont know what to tell ya my dude. Just save this post and in three yrs if I am wrong then you can tag me in every post with you were right, but until then you're gonna have to enjoy the product you have and be the biggest #11 fan you can be. 

2 minutes ago, marco102 said:

 

Then why make this post?

Because its my opinion on what I think is to come when today looks the way it does in my eyes. You think he will get better and I dont, simply instance of two people disagreeing. I can move on but the fact it may be true bothers you for some reason. I can play this back and forth with you all day sport. I have the time

16 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Can we start here?

You said...

When you wrote these words...  What did you mean when you said... "our window is three years with Trae"

When you said he's not a physical specimen like Jordan or Lebron  nor is he a sniper like Curry and Miller... what are you alluding to?

Are you suggesting that his skills will diminish (no explosive speed like he has now) and he doesn't have anything else to keep him at the level of play that he's on now??

Maybe you share an account with your children and didn't know what they posted in your name??   If not.. Here's your sign.

 

Save this post, come back in three years 

Just now, marco102 said:

You are not answering my question. 

It's pretty simple.  Do you think Trae Young will be a better player at 27 and 28 than he is now?

Absolutely not. 

7 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Everything above indicates you don't think he gets better. You think his speed will decrease which will lead to the league catching up to him.

Does that make him a better or worse player if he slows down and the league gets more athletic. 

Maybe you aren't saying what you think you are saying.  You surely aren't saying he is getting better at 27 and 28.

Did Chris Paul speed drop off at 28?  Was that injury related? I don't think it did.

You and Diesel are in shambles right now. Yall are really bent on #11. I Love it

LETS GO HAWKS!

4 minutes ago, marco102 said:

 

Does he become better or worse? Because you surely weren't indicating he would be better. By all means, please correct me if you were insinuating he would be better here. 

Yeah bud I was talking about his speed and agility. Its kinda his biggest advantage. His speed. CP3 had speed, but when he hit 28 it dropped off and he had to adjust his game which translated well with a faster more athletic nba. 

Rayford is going to lose his speed while the league gets faster and more athletic and longer players. My point was he will have to adjust his game. Does he have the mental to do so? Does he have the mental to do so today which is all I was saying. If he cant do it today then what will he be at 28 when he can no longer dribble past his defender?

No where in my comment did you read I said he will be a worst player than he is today. 

25 minutes ago, marco102 said:

What star player do you know in their prime years of 27 and 28 get worse? 

Again my dude, quote me where I said Rayford will get worst by 27. Find the quote then we will move forward. One of you in here is Rayford dad's burner account. Im gonna get down to the bottom and find out who. Its you, Diesel or SPUD2NIQUE 

29 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Is it new users?  Or is it guys who come on here for one purpose??

It's interesting... After team wins, I don't ever see your posts?  I be looking for Bonkers but I guess he posts as his alter ego?  Terrell is the only one who has enough heart to hang around but he gets the side eye because he is always back and fourth with his loyalty.  One minute (when we're losing) he hates Trae.. then when Trae brings us out and we win... He talks about how well Trae played...   This is why It's hard for people to respect T and to respect the rest of yall.   At least you guys have the decency to disappear and not face the music when the player you hate has a great game.  Like the other night, he put up 30 and 14 in a Hawks win...  where were you Stonedog?  Probably had to go to the store right?

Here's your problem..  You don't keep that same energy...

Now... we are about to go on a run... maybe a 15 -20 game win streak with Trae leading the pack.  I will be looking for you to keep that same energy.  I will call you out... daily... and this will be the sign..

I have receipts now. You cant play me. I could have sworn there is a post by me in the last Hawks Magic game. And I gave Rayford his flowers. Cmon now give yourself a chance

5 hours ago, Final_quest said:

I really don’t need an ego boost.  A lot of long term regulars on here.  Most new people are welcomed.
 

Someone new who comes in attacking a player and others without much positive to say needs to be called out.  You are coming across like a troll.  Read @Alf’s posts as a new user and compare with yours. 

But I think I've been here for a year? I dont know how to tell. You must certainly be Rayfords father. I've heard stories about he doesn't like people criticizing his son. So if you are Rayford's father as a user on this board, I do not apologize. Suck it up, put your big boy undies on and deal with it. Ignore my posts. Its really easy do. Im a Hawks fan not a Rayford fan and if I want to critique his play as the leader then I will. 

Lets go Hawks!

6 hours ago, Final_quest said:

So you basically joined this site to hate on Trae?  Not really interested in more of that.  

Geez, I see you small core of really dont like new users. You definitely hate a critique if it comes to your favorite player. I didn't like like Josh Smith, Dennis, Marvin, coach woodson, all of the GMs but Im still a fan of the team. I bet you were feeling yourself though with that post. You even got a few trophies, still trying to figure it out. I wont mention Trae name from here on out Lord Hawk users 

2 hours ago, marco102 said:

You do realize Trae isn't explosive. He is elite at decelerating and accelerating which is how he creates space. He also has a tight handle. 

If explosiveness is your concern, I hope you aren't a fan of Ja Morant.

Also, what players do you know who get worst in their prime years of 27 or 28? Trae is a skilled player his game is not predicated on his athletiscm alone.

Lets win next Hawks

50 minutes ago, MarylandHawk said:

I do see it ending in a ring. He is our best chance in franchise history to get one.  He is also fun to watch all the way there. 

I thinkg he's fun to watch too especially in those summer pick up games with other nba players and the all star game. 

Nique was also fun to watch. 

The way I see it, our window is three years with Trae. By 27 and 28 he will not have that explosive speed he has now. Games wear down on you and he is not a physical specimen like a Jordan or Lebron. And he's not a sniper like Curry or Miller. 

So within those three years my non basketball intellect tells me that we will certainly have another coach, players will be traded and brought here and we will continue saying the team needs time to adjust to one another.. 

53 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

 You ain’t ridin. Wait you a Hawks fan right? 

I am Hawks all day. But how can you not see the hustle this team played the other night, the ball sharing, the leader, the young stud who is a bucket, Culver is still very young all he needs is coaching to develop him for confidence 

OO has always been a baller. JJ has a motor. You just aren't been shown these things. Like I said in another post, ditch Dansby, take that money and build your pitching. How can you not see your peak with #11 has been reached especially with this coach

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

Did anybody see us getting to the Conference Finals?  Did anybody see us winning 2 games in the conference finals?

If it were 100% predictable, nobody would watch...

Diesel you're one of the smarter ones but another one holding on to that ECF. The difference between Braves fans is we were genuinely pissed off we lost to the Phillies. All we had to do was have a good game one and the rest was probably history. Back to back ws appearances most likely.

Braves fans didn't hold on to 2021 world series. It was a great run, it was fun but we won 88 that year. This yr we won 100. We wanted that ring this year because it would have solidified we were the shit. No, Houston is the shit. They build correctly and Braves want that. And 2023 we wontbe talking about '21 world series. We want to win now. You're the type to want to hold on to Dansby (the face of the team) because he's home grown. No, get rid of him, use your rookie (Grissom), take that money and build your team with pitching...Pieces you need. 

1 hour ago, Final_quest said:

Trae did take us to the ECF.  You can talk about Game 7 in Philly, but even in that game he had impact down the stretch.  Also, why was Seth Curry on Huerter to begin with?  We won three Game 1 playoff road games that year.  NY, Trae hits a game winner.  Philly and Milwaukee got completely blitzed by Trae in Game 1, remember 48 points vs the Bucks?

Trae led the league in points AND assists, but also with extremely high efficiency.  He is always a big net positive when assessing his on/off court stats.  I don't see any valid case for a team being better without Trae.

But can he get us a ring?  I will just say I feel more confident than at any point since the Wilkins era.  We almost got one two years ago.  With the right seasoning and group, I could see it happening.  To me the NBA has changed so significantly since the Splash Bros type of ball has proven the analytics on the value of shooting 38 3's per game.  Right now there is a lot of parity since the Warriors team declined, and even a lower tier Warriors won the title.  Parity could be here to stay with the new style of play.  

I probably wasted my time writing this because you seem set with the "Trae is a show boating ball hog" train and that is pretty much all I've seen you post.  Ask yourself how many players share so many records with Magic, Jordan, Lebron, Luka, etc.?  We lose track of how much Trae lines up with all time greats.    

One thing Trae can do that some of the other top 10-15 players in the league can not is control the tempo and flow of the game.  When he comes into a building and hits you at every angle inside, outside, floater, mid range, lobs, cross court, etc.  He can get into the "avatar state" more than most players and destroy your game plan.  That is how we got to the ECF, and we only have that potential with a guy like Trae. It won't happen trading Trae for a "team first" Dudley Do Right.  

You didn't waste your time but how long will Hawks fans hold to to "almost"?

How long will you talk about two years ago? It was fun. It was a unique season watching basketball in July. But its over, no more Hawks creeping up on teams. Last year they looked bad with a full regular season

This year the Heat still shut him down with no players in regular season. You have to admit he has to learn the game more. You honestly think you can build around him and win. I disagree. I didn't say trade him for a team first Dudley do right but you can pick up two all stars. Maybe a top draft pick. Some money build. Im just not building around a 6'0 160lb guard who dont play defense. Once his speed slows around 27, 28 what does he become? 

CP3 has no ring and got closer than Trae playing out West with a much better team than the Hawks. It aint easy as you make it with your "almost" talk. You guys have to be honest with yourselves. Like Kuz said, build around Bol Bol. 

3 hours ago, MarylandHawk said:

Don’t fall for it bro.  All of us can have honest opinions about what we think. That’s different than  harping  on a guys weakness every moment you get just to prove some remote notion you are right about an aspect of someones game. I think most of us are fans of the team and that we ultimately want to see the players and the franchise succeed.  

Trae is your superstar bro. Supposed teams engine. The one with the national nickname. The one who only him, took you to the ECF. Talking about his weaknesses is not about proving to be right. This just comes with the territory of being the face and future of the organization. Do you see it ending with a ring or are you seeing a team that's constantly making trades and changing coaches to fit his gameplay? 

41 minutes ago, terrell said:

Stop hating.. "AGENDA". Or is that only when I mention Trae? smh

You can criticize anybody on the team but him.. You better learn the rules around here....

Yeah im trying learn my way. We have to start being honest though. We cant be 2k fans 

They looked good tonight. Culver has earned his at least 20 minutes a night. AJ is a baller, he deserves half of Trae's shot attempts a night. Hunter is cool coming off the bench. JJ earned his 20+ minutes. 

Trae, this is what NBA basketball is with a balanced team. No one needs him to score 30 a night with this team.  

29 minutes ago, terrell said:

It looks like the Only person that can keep Nate from coaching is Trae. 

 

Where's the lie?

10 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

I need to watch the highlights of this game.  It's always quiet after a win.

Great win, they broke the streak, Trae and Murray looked great. Culver looked good too

5 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Sad watching Culver.  MIN ruined him.

Yeah I hate to see it. He was a bucke. Up to coaches here to recognize and develop him. Young is looking good at least

13 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

I thought we were just talkin. The seriousness of my responses are based on the seriousness of the content. I took the whole thing as a joke. 
 

Luka hasn’t won anything yet. Ja hasn’t done even more of nothing. 
 

Pump the brakes. Trae is the best passer of the three and will win a ring before the other two. 
 

YA I SAID IT!

Wel of course you would. You're Trae's #1 fan. If I were you I probably would too. If I didn't know any better you may even be Trae Young. NBA players do read tweets and hang out on forums

19 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Luka is a fat disgusting sloppy pig man. I know this isn’t adding a whole lot to the debate but he’s just a sloppy disgusting f&ck. He looks like he’s constantly drooling as he talks. 
 

Slow pale piece of dirt. 
 

And Ja, is a rugrat. 
 

This is a D+ post but hey, I had some ish to get off my mind.

 

Heres how we gon do dis…

F!CK LUKA…

F!CK JA

And if you wanna be down with baby Tyrese Haliburton (besides Gramps) then F u too! 
 

-Pac

This is my fav or all your posts so far.

So we're talking about appearances now? Cmon we're Hawks fans. Our class has come down to players appearances after running out of facts? Outside of Hawks bubble there is a country of people with a photo of a lollipop and hair strands on it with a caption of our point guard. Thats classless