deester11

7 hours ago, AHF said:

In fairness to Brunson it is a heady play,  it is also a smart play when Trae does it.

Yeah...but do they now make the "Brunson" rule to stop that?. Trae can't win....

On 4/30/2024 at 1:53 AM, Spud2nique said:

on which show?..cue @deester11 

I'm not even trying to interject...got me laughing for no reason I was minding my business in the Bahamas 

4 hours ago, kg01 said:

You just hurt a buncha Failcons fans' feelings, bd. 

Not mine. Fk dem picks

4 hours ago, Final_quest said:

After the ECF run there was an overwhelming sentiment to commit to our core, what you are calling status quo.  

I wanted us to trade Cam, JC, Hunter, and Gallo for guys like Sabonis, Siakam, and Levine.  The dominant opinion was Hawks’ players would be better than those guys.  

The FO made that determination and fked it all up.  If they are that incompetent not to see what people I know saw, I'd rather they restructure the owner on down. It should have been overwhelmingly easy to see other teams got stronger.  Outrageous. Egregious. Preposterous.

50 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

Our record stayed meddling, but they traded a whole lot of draft capital for a top player.  

To me status quo means you aren’t making moves or showing effort. They tried and failed.  Now they are regrouping.  

The point is THE CORE that had proven it would not work further was still in tact.  The vision of short sighted commitment to mid players is the problem. The swing for Murray..OK..I get it, but it's been the same story minus that....i don't consider that anything but window dressing.  And the last time I say..stat quo

32 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

We actually added talent the year after the ECF.  Brought in Delon Wright and drafted Jalen.  
That team started the season 4-8.  Finished 9th in the east.  Got smoked by Miami in the playoffs.  
To say we were on an upward trajectory until we let go of Huerter takes a lot of revision.  

Also if you call adding Murray going status quo…I think that’s off by quite a bit.  The primary move they made was a pretty big gamble.  

The main issue was betting on paying JC and Hunter to be worth 1/3 of your payroll.  Second mistake was using your draft capital on a second star that isn’t complimentary to your Trae.  Adding a MLE player or retaining Huerter doesn’t fix either of those mistakes.  

We stayed middling. Period.  There is no way the money given to middling players wasn't going to come back and haunt this team.  It's been the same M.O. for years.  If that's not stat Quo...I don't know what to tell you.  Teams got better..built the right way.  Banking on Murray with a core that was never going to get further was stupid.  Delon wasn't a hawk long and we let him go and sold off shares of players who got you very little for the money you gave out.  Stat damn Quo.

7 hours ago, StonedDogs said:

Brother, this has been said since '22 that you cannot build a championship team around Trae. You just cannot. The Knicks aren't even building around Brunson. They have a smart FO that saw success with Villanova and grabbed three players from championship pedigree. 

They're building a team of offensive AND DEFENSIVE dogs. Trae is not the issue but he is definitely not the solution or center piece you build around 

So the ECF run where Trae showed he could carry a team was mirage. I think that..but In many ways the sum of the parts matched. The FO decided to run it back when they should have added better players.  They did not. The Hawks have the same janky core. Decidedly worse.  Make if it what you will.

Anybody saying Trae is a bad teammate is buying into bs narratives.  Pause.  Look at this FO and ask yourself if they've done the best thing for Trae and the Hawks.  The answer is fk no.only in Atlanta can you have a bona fide stud, flaws and all and pick him apart because national news or a local dumbaz says what he thinks national sources say.  Let it go Jeff..Terrell..Trae ain't the issue.

46 minutes ago, JustSomeGuy said:

Nothing would make me happier this offseason than to see him shipped away for some mixture of players who can replace his shooting and upgrade his on ball defense and nonexistent rebounding and playmaking. 

He really is the weak link that’s holding this team back and no amount of weak metric stats can change what the eye test is telling us. 

That man's biggest fan is coming for you...he sees all

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

We keep making the same mistakes in how we approach trades: too many times it always revolves around us trying to 'save money'. It's the desperation with which we approach it. You put that out there teams have no incentive to offer their best value. You also can't have a guy on the trade market for 3 straight years and keep pulling him. 

Sometimes it's better to accept 80 cents on the dollars vs holding out and you end up getting 10 cents.

We got a 1st for Cam which we used in the DJ trade.

We got a 1st for Huerter which we are still waiting to contribute on the court going now on 3 years. (We also got a TPE from the trade savings but I don't remember if we used it).

We got a TPE for JC which we are still waiting to contribute on the court. It expires June 29th.

Sigh.  That's is all. 

1 minute ago, Spud2nique said:

Conspiracy theory: If a player is good, and on the table for a trade, let’s devalue him as a trade asset. {all 29 other GM’s applaud }…
 

J Collins

Murray

now..

Cap (dude leads or led the league in rebounding the last years ok, how does that ish not have value?)

Hunter (premier defender right @NBASupes how come no real value around the league? 
 

Its BS I tell ya! 

Except anybody watching Hunter will have to bank on his getting better and more consistent. You know the same thing we've all wanted .  Ain't No team drinking that kool-aid...

21 hours ago, REHawksFan said:

Distance Miles on Offense per NBA.com/stats: 

Trae is 2nd on the team at 1.40 miles per game on offense.  And here is where that ranks in the entire NBA (26th out of 572 players):

Trae has the same distance miles as Steph Curry on offense.  The difference is he does most of his with the ball while Steph does most without.  But some basic math shows the allocation like this:

Trae on Offense:   3,250 feet per game WITH BALL / 4,140 feet per game WITHOUT BALL

Steph on Offense:  2,200 feet per game WITH BALL / 5,190 feet per game WITHOUT BALL

Bottom line:  Claiming Trae does nothing but stand around on offense without the ball is patently false.  

I'm so tired of you giving out facts.  .  

On 4/19/2024 at 2:43 PM, macdaddy said:

I like DJ but his impact is being overrated by a run of just .500 ball over 20 games at the end of the season.   Yeah we beat the Celtics (who had nothing to play for) but there were a lot of schedule wins in there.  

During that run without Trae, DJ did everything the Trae haters profess to hating.  Dribbling the air at the ball and chucking a huge number of shots. 

 

Say it again! The exact same thing. 

6 hours ago, KB21 said:

It's largely because you are biased against Trae for whatever reason.  

Sadly..this is my thought.

8 hours ago, Gray Mule said:

Prayers.  I hope that everything works out well for your daughter.  Give her a "Get well soon!" hug from me.

Prayers up Gray.  Thinking about you and your family.

6 hours ago, NBASupes said:

The way he plays, he's the guy in control. I don't know why they are trying to act like this ain't what he is. Nothing is wrong with it either. 

I agree with Supes. I feel dirty..

The topic of Hunter....

28 minutes ago, AHF said:

I don't think Hunter is garbage because of his stinker against the Bulls anymore than I think Trae is terrible because of his game.  Trae looked uncomfortable shooting the ball (with his injury likely factoring in as he removed the wrap during the game which showed he felt soomething wasn't right with it on) and Hunter had a terrible night offensively.  For a guy like Hunter that happens.  He isn't a first or second option.  His health remains my biggest concern with him, and I think he had the best season of his career this year when he was healthy.

I'm not using one game. This was his best year probably. But it's not what I've expected him to be. Still waiting? Not me. He played with heart in a few games.  I applauded him.  But I'm not willing to keep waiting on average.  He's that.

4 hours ago, AHF said:

Hunter sucked last night but he is a fine rotation piece.  He isn't a star.  His role is to play good D and contribute on offense.  I fully expect he will be back and think he would be hard to replace.  He is part of my mental model for this team going forward.

Break your mental.  For the love of all that's good (left) on earth please. Let it go.  Hunter is a 10th man. Yuck.  Mental? Mental?

3 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

I dunno if I even trust him as a 6th man anymore. Everytime he has a chance to rock it on the big stage he crumbles and does it in horrible fashion. He shines when there is absolutely nothing at stake and vice versa.

I've tried to stop bashing Hunter.  I did for a while....I led the revolt, but I'm not going to rake him over the coals anymore. He is what he is and that's an inconsistent player who will always leave you wanting more from him.  SOMETHING...ANY DAMN THING! 

5 hours ago, kg01 said:

All I can do is smh.  A guy comes back injured and tries to help the team win but has "no heart"?  Smh 

Ah...hmmm.  Lmao...some people don't get it.  

This Hunter dude...

Just now, TheNorthCydeRises said:

CLEARLY

His inactivity kills me.

Trae tries too hard.  Dre doesn't try hard enough.

Yes sir.