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19 hours ago, JustSomeGuy said:

Hunter hasn’t proven shxt he played 16 minutes for ONE game. 

R-E-L-A-X 

Shhhh....Lmao 

2 hours ago, Gray Mule said:

Hawks have their rookies "down on the farm" and learning.  They will be ready if and when they are called to replace whoever is traded away.  Too many injuries have messed up our season so far.

Owner wants to be in position so that, if this team is pretty good and there is a player or two available that would push us over the top, he can pounce.  There's no need to grab high priced players just so we can brag that we have them.  Leave this to the Lakers!

Gray...I love your eternally young optimism...but this reeks of drinking the kool aid...

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I don't think it's 'just feeding bs for engagement' as there are 29 other teams trying to make trades in some form or fashion. Trades are hard to execute it's not just give me your guy and stuff and I'll take your guy and stuff. 

We just seem to be in a perpetual cycle of trading better oncourt talent for less headlined by reducing cost instead of the other way around. 

The last time we traded for better on court upgrade at the deadline was Rondo for Lou Will.

Agree but that's the point. Every single deadline.."Watch out for the Hawks...,""they're interested in...,""deal discussed.."...yada..yada.  They are full of ish.  Then we wait until the summer and settle for pennies on the dollar because someone screams "taxes." Like you said it's a cycle.

As much as Jeff irritates me with the "I won't get upset about hypothetical trades," he's not wrong.  It's just...damn..for once, will things break right? I'm positive it won't.  Lol

34 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

This is us every trade deadline, having these guys available, then we do nothing, meanwhile lowering their trade value in the offseason. Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat.

Yep..I love our insiders because they give us as much as possible, but I'm beginning to think the FO feeds bs for engagement purposes only. The deadline always comes in with a bang...out with a whimper.

On 1/16/2024 at 12:36 AM, warcore said:

I don't think it's crazy... most of this team sucks. 

Ouch!

4 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Ugh that stinks Soth! Hope you and wifey recover fast. Hate the flu.

Get well Supes. Sorry to hear this.

4 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Ugh that stinks Soth! Hope you and wifey recover fast. Hate the flu.

Get well Supes. Sorry to hear this.

You guys get well soon and stay well.  Hawks gonna Hawk.  . Stay away from Dr Nick. 

46 minutes ago, Nash said:

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1752443356708327661?s=20

Sigh..an athletic..hungry team.  I'm loving it...but no.  No Bogi....This is a family friendly site, so..just no.  Lol

3 hours ago, thecampster said:

Dre has developed the ability to ISO, handle the ball for himself and score. I mean nothing more than that with him.

Man..we ain't watching the same damn player. He put it on the floor, it's going the other way.  Lmao..what you watching?? Ugh 

1 minute ago, terrell said:

lol Dre as a possible ball handler.....

 

Heel naw! That's.....

13 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Please don't, because this is a wildly reductive way to look at bench depth with zero context to broader cap implications and roster construction, and the stat you're pulling out is massively flawed... using win shares, which is ultimately a team success statistic, particularly for end of bench guys -- which is why all the teams listed have better records than us...

Is it surprising that bench guys who share the court with well-constructed, winning, rosters have more win shares?  Our bench playing in Boston would have massive win shares as well -- that's not some revelation you've uncovered.  It's actually just a flawed way to use that statistic.  Our bench is not good but they are absolutely not the problem.  We have one of the best 6th men (Bogi) in the entire league and a solid backup center.  And a solid backup 3/4 (Bey).  

Talking about and focusing on the Matthews is missing an entire forest for two trees.  Our roster is flawed at the 3rd (Murray position redundancy and no buy-in), 4th (Hunter street clothes), and 5th best player level (CC regression and does not fit Snyder scheme), not the 9th, 10th, 11th.  

You really think the sole focus of venom is Garrison? He's not. We can all acknowledge the many deficiencies of each player if we so choose.  That said, the argument for me is Garrison would be better served in the 12th spot, not the 9th. Perhaps the circumstances dictate his minutes, but it is what it is.  I can go down the list.  But I stopped at him because...well...if he's getting more minutes, I don't think it's a good thing. That's my opinion.

3 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I can't believe what I'm reading rn.  Meth-Bogi is turning over in his grave right now.  Smh 

And that would be the best defense he ever played.

2 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

And drawing offensive fouls from opponents.  The fact that he's 2nd on the team behind Trae in total offensive fouls drawn, despite playing 1000 minutes less, is pretty amazing.

 

So does this merit more minutes..or less?  I'm not seeing that's he's a difference maker one way or the other.  Of course..when Hunter is back, does that alter the need to play Matthews the same amount of minutes.  It could and should be a moot point. 

4 minutes ago, AHF said:

He would be great as the #12, 13 or 14 guy on the roster instead of the #9 guy.  We need the #9 guy to be able to fill in as a starter or major bench player since we have a roster with injury prone players.  He is a low volume high efficiency scorer and that is great for someone much deeper on the bench.  So my personal beef with him is about who he isn't.  As a very limited player he does his one trick pretty well (the % is great, the volume is not special).  

The problem is that he has started as many games this year as OO and played 2x (or more) more minutes than anyone outside of our core 8 rotation.  It is the same sort of thing for why Bey gets grief.  The team suffers when they have to play roles too large for their skill sets.

Preach.  Good lord.  Say one thing bad about a player and they got someone coming to their defense.  Jeff!! The post above is spot on.  Aimlessly flailing Jeff

34 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Bufkin recalled from the Skyhawks, Vit sent down.

Just putting this out there.

For what? Ain't enough young players to pass out Gatorade? We got Garrison freaking Matthew's...why the heck would Quinn add anyone who can play to mix. Screw that!

4 minutes ago, Vol4ever said:

and the same thing will happen this offseason.   We will not get KAT Imo or any other big-time player.   Our franchise takes a knife to a gun fight.  

I keep saying this. I believe it.

4 hours ago, Sothron said:

Hope this is what is going on. I would much rather wait until the offseason to swing for targets like KAT than take poo poo deals like the Lakers are offering.

While I agree, I contend that the Hawks will not get KAT.  I just don't see this FO being competent enough to pull it off considering we don't know what the vision is for this team.  I've heard the hypothetical thoughts and they SOUND good. But the Hawks are always the bridesmaids...never the bride.  I guess we will see.  I think this is who we add:

If DJM is becoming a cancer you gotta cut it out.  But someone in his camp should tell him to stfu. I get it. He's unhappy...but this ain't it.  If I'm Landry, I tell him you'll get your wish...under our terms. Don't like it.  Don't play.  

6 hours ago, Chrimturn said:

Welp, that just about settles it then. Looks like we’re just going to have to take matters into our own hands now.

Gonna have to break up in groups.  Cover some ground.  Start selling chocolate bars and raffle tickets door to door for a dollar…now til the end of the season.  Collect the earnings and make a loyal contribution to the cause.   

 Could take a page out of the “Save Ferris” handbook.  Take empty jars with us to work.  Set ‘em on a table and prop up a sign that says “Save the Hawks”.  

Lmao...I'm in. But first...the Resslers need this :

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

[Some posters] tend to think he's overpaid. He wasn't at that time, we didn't have the 2nd apron which changed how teams saw player contract so at the time, he was paid what the industry saw him as, at the time. Why? He's a two way big wing who can score on all three levels. His only elite quality is his versatility. His defense or offense clearly isn't elite. His impact on games doesn't really show up unless you know what you are watching and you understand winning basketball which I strongly believe, De'Andre plays. 

This team has like two players who know how to play winning ball. Clint and Dre. Trae still stat padding. Murray's winning impact got crushed by moving him to SG. He's more of a stat padder too especially with how Quin uses him. He was a winning player with Nate. Nate used him to his strengths but exposed Trae viciously which is why he's gone. JJ still figuring it out. He's young and he studies and takes the game seriously. I don't know if he will become a winning player but it won't be due to a lack of effort or trying. OO seemed like a winning backup with Nate but his lack of fit in this modern scheme worries me a bit. Maybe if he had better defensive personnel, he would be a lot better but we don't have that to know. 

This team is in a tough place. When I told ya'll before Dre ever was hurt that we can't win without Dre, I got ire and laughter at me when I am way smarter about this game than most here, it made no sense, and it was seen as if I didn't know what I was talking about.  I don't just say shit to say shit. 

[M]any of us are basketball lifers.  I played, coached all sports my entire life.  Up until recently I posted here and there.  But to see others talk down to other people about their knowledge of ball is...inherently stupid.  You can disagree with what player is this or that, but at the end of the day I'm not, you're not and no one else on this board has control over Hawk decisions.  

If it were MY decision, the construction of this team would look different. I'm admittedly a Hunter detractor..hater..whatever you call it. I see value in his being a big wing. Defense. Ok if that's your argument. But it's 5 years in and I'm hearing the same things about him.  He doesn't do it for me. Sorry if that's not KNOWING basketball.  He's not the issue though. I'll say that.

Just now, theheroatl said:

Ted Turner really was the best sports owner.. Braves and Hawks best years

That man truly loved his teams. Some were atrocious but he never lacked for trying. Something this bumazz owner has done.... Is half heartedly try.  

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

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Lmao.  People can not like Hunter and still see he has SOME value. 

This has become a joke azz laughing stock of a team. I don't agree with a Damn thing they've done or are doing. If that DJM tweet is right, it's a bad look for all involved.  The Pistons are the only team saving us from sheer ineptitude.  Can't fire the owner.  This feels as bad as the Atlanta Spirit Ownership group. Yet, they have a better winning percentage than the Ressler led group. Smdh