Mikey

5 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

He can use some work on his form. Absolutely. 

I think that's causing some of his percentage issues but this can improve in an offseason or two as long as he's willing to put in the work. 

I agree

Need that boy in the lab with Korver

18 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

He takes the most difficult shots. For the most part, the others are stationary which is normal for bigs but he's a lot more capable. Percentages wise for all NBA drafted likely prospects it would be P.J. Hall but P.J. shot won't translate like Matas. Shooting is more than about percentages. You gotta have a diverse selection 

You don't think his form is an issue though? In HS he was a good shooter but it hasn't translated since. He's got a weird/low base imo that makes me struggle to think he'll be a great shooter as he was in hs. I think he is better than he has shown in G league though. 

19 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Big or center because Matas B could be in the mix for shooting or scoring versatility 

I'll do one for bigs overall and one for true centers

Bigs (Big wings, 4s, and 5s)

1. Matas B., one of the best natural shooters in this class for any position

2. Sarr - definitely the most versatile scorer that's bigger.

3. Flip - best playmaking Big in this class. 

4. Clingan - best defensive Big in this class. 

True centers

1. Ware - best proven shooting center and its not even close right now. 

2. Edey - best proven scorer in this class and scores from the paint, movement, FT line, and off put backs as well. Extremely difficult coverage. 

3. Clingan - while this class as several good playmaking true 5s with Edey, Kalkbrenner, and Bona, Donovan is the best true center playmaker and he's the 2nd best Big man playmaker behind Flip.

4. Clingan - Edey, Missi, Ware, and Bona all show some good things, Clingan just has the clear edge on D as a true 5 on D. Stamina and health are the biggest challenges for Clingan as a 5 long term. His productivity as a defensive 5 is the best in this class. 

Matas is very very good and should sit a top the hawks board but he is one of the best WHAT? His shooting is awful

22 hours ago, theheroatl said:

That’s not entirely true and you know that. There are plenty of ball dominant players that play together in this current NBA.

doesnt matter if it works in the nba. It is proven it does not work for this iteration of the hawks

15 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

On Local Radio 92.9 The Game:

 

1. Talks injuries

2. Possibilty of Calling up MoG or AJ...haven't been called up and team is already out west

3. Windler can only play 11 NBA games, smh (has already played 39 with other NBA clubs). Why we signed him to a 2way.

4. Will we hang on to the 10th spot? It will be tough. Will Hunter move back into the starting lineup?

5. Trae - will Trae return if we make playin? Trae will most likely want to play as long as he has mobility in his hand and has cleared all protocols.

6. Didn't have as much depth as they advertised once JJ was injured. 

7. Hawks have individual talented players, they just can't seem to get it right playing with each other and with any consistency (they like each other off the court and get along well). They just lack size on wing and center.

8. Quin talks about lack of size often, mostly by referencing other teams size we have to go up against them on the wings and front court.

9. Quin believes in Trae and DJ and wants to make it work with them.  

10. Need an annoying guy on the team. 

 

Select the 3:21 time slot chapter

https://www.audacy.com/stations/929thegame/shows/dukes-bell-757f8

 

Quin is signing his death sentence if he tries to keep Dejounte and Trae together 

11 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Watching my 21st full Edey game (Wisconsin), didn't watch Illinois win yet. I feel extremely confident with my scouting report on Edey. He's a movement specialist who's relentless who scores off BBIQ and strength. Lacks fluidity which clearly impacts his post up game. He's a tremendous finisher. Elite screener. In fact, he had a tremendous screen that was called an offensive foul because he clean the clock of the defender. A Steven Adams like screener. Yeah, I really feel like the last scouting report is most accurate. 

Anyway, that's not why I posted. Had my chance to watch my 1st full UCONN game possession by possession on Castle and Clingan on Providence senior night and Anthony Carter son is a legit NBA player. 

Anyhow, Clingan is not as good offensively as I may have thought but he's more talented than I preceived. 

His screens are tremendous. While Edey is more impactful with screens. Clingan is more springy like OO but unlike OO, his screens are good. His movement is like OO, he's athletic but he doesn't read the ball handler well. elite rim runner. That shit translates. He plays with so much energy. He plays around 20-27 minutes but he gives it his all. 

If I had a comp for him, it would be OO. While he's a poor FT shooter, he actually has a nice shooting touch. He's not as polished as OO was and he's not as athletic as OO, or shoot as well as OO, he probably a lot more impactful than OO just due to his sheer size and how athletic he is for his size. I think he's a top 5 pick at this point. A supersized OO is a stud. He doesn't have good stamina but he plays so damn hard. 

I like him a ton. He's not a movement specialist like the data may read but he's a good actions guy like Steven Adams. I like his screens more than OO but not on Capela, Gobert, Edey, Sabonis level. His defense is legit. He can move his feet for a super large man. He's fluid and coordinated too. Just an excellent athlete for his size. 

Clingan and castle are two guys that are just wow on defense. Fun watches on that end of the floor

I always laugh when people get on here and say our defense without Trae is better. Its only looked good cause we have played injured rattled teams. Every healthy team we have played has torched us 

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

The size matters Mikey...  Do you know how much easier it's going to be for Wimby to score on OO than on a legit 7 footer??  

BTW.. wasn't you the one who wanted to prop up OO's play as a starter??  What exactly did you want to evaluate that small sample size on???  Good feelings?  Gut?   I didn't know it was out of bounds to actually see how OO and his opponent played by looking at their stats.

I have to check to see if Jarrett Allen got his career high on OO?  Actually, it's his 11th highest point total in his career.  The 2nd highest of this season. 

 

An all star big had a good game against Onyeka. Same big basically had 20/20 on Clint LOL. Good players will get theres regardless. Onyeka is good. Lineups with him and Jalen have the best net rating on the team. Find the compliment (like Flip in the draft). Hawks starting Onyeak isn't a problem when you get a backup who can play some more minutes in specific matchups. 

Just now, NBASupes said:

 You think he's gonna be playing PG

I think he will be the pseudo backup PG next year while playing a fair share of his minutes next to Trae

5 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

We are pretty deep with PGs and wings

Trae Murray Forrest

Wings Dre, Bey, Griffin, Bogi, Bufkin, and Lundy.

Bigs Capela, OO, JJ, Gueye

We lack bigs right now. 

I'd move Kobe into the guard group. Wing room probably changes a lot in summer if I had to guess. Does Bey get paid from someone else? Imagine Griffin is on way out. Definitely need to use a pick on big though 

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Is he really a bad defender? Bogi is a "bad" defender but is he really one. Bogi has a -0.1 defensive RAPTOR. That's not terrible. 

I like Knecht, we just don't got many minutes available on the wing. 

Is he bogi bad no. But he is definitely on the negative side IMO. At his age too its not great the lapses he has as a team defender. The flip side of this is that Skyhawks have a great defensive structure he could learn and improve on (but 23 in g league would get interesting)

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

He's more like Dan Majerie. Bogi feel is insane. He play can play this game with ease and as he's aged, Bogi is just smooth. Dalton is more forceful. Athletic. He'll bring it to you. Plays with power. We really don't got many minutes available since Murray.plays the 2 as well is the only issue for us with him. The pull up 3 and the off ball action to the right corner 3 is Bogi esque

He's gonna be coveted right around 11. Definitely. He can score and he's polished. He's 3 years older than AJ right now 

Yeah he's been a nice surprise in CBB this year. Excited to watch him in the tourney. He absolutely fits Quin system I just don't know if we can afford another "bad" defender. If they move off some guys though he can slot in

10 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Small sample size.. Mikey.   But let's take a look...

Check out the rebounding. 

Game 2 against Jared Allen...  4 rebounds. 

Game 4 against Plumlee  = 5 rebounds. 

Game 6 against Paul Reed = 8 rebounds. 

Game 7 against Jabari Smith Jr.   7 rebounds. 

Game 8 against Vucevic = 12 rebounds.   

Oh.. Game 8, Vucevic had 24/12 on 50% and 9 trips to the FT line.     Back to Game 2... Jared Allen had 25/14 on 85% shooting.   This is what you want to prop up???  Vuc and Allen are not even considered to be top 10 scorers at the C position.   But with No Clint...  OO let Mason Plumlee get 8 points.   That's 7 points over his average.   I joke... but if I'm the Clipps and Mason Plumlee plays 21 minutes and comes back with 8/9.. I'm applauding.

The hype train for OO is just that... HYPE.  He's undersized and when he plays against the guys I have mentioned...  He will get murdered.  Not to mention he's foul prone. 

 

 

 

Also Vuc has career averages of 17/11 on the hawks all time. He torches them regardless who is center. Jarret Allen just had 18 and 19 REBOUNDS on Clint Capela. You guys care too much about height and individual stats.

6 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Small sample size.. Mikey.   But let's take a look...

Check out the rebounding. 

Game 2 against Jared Allen...  4 rebounds. 

Game 4 against Plumlee  = 5 rebounds. 

Game 6 against Paul Reed = 8 rebounds. 

Game 7 against Jabari Smith Jr.   7 rebounds. 

Game 8 against Vucevic = 12 rebounds.   

Oh.. Game 8, Vucevic had 24/12 on 50% and 9 trips to the FT line.     Back to Game 2... Jared Allen had 25/14 on 85% shooting.   This is what you want to prop up???  Vuc and Allen are not even considered to be top 10 scorers at the C position.   But with No Clint...  OO let Mason Plumlee get 8 points.   That's 7 points over his average.   I joke... but if I'm the Clipps and Mason Plumlee plays 21 minutes and comes back with 8/9.. I'm applauding.

The hype train for OO is just that... HYPE.  He's undersized and when he plays against the guys I have mentioned...  He will get murdered.  Not to mention he's foul prone. 

 

 

 

I don't care if my center is the one grabbing the rebounds vs the entire team lol. You also listed Jabari Smith who isn't his matchup lmao. Doesn't matter who rebounds the ball as long as the Hawks are the one getting it. The team's net rating with him is better than and they played some of their best ball and competed with the best teams when he started. Get a backup center in FA or Draft to play minutes in bigger matchups or a 4 to compliment O and Jalen.

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Obviously Furphy and Risacher at this stage for the wings. The rest are developmental and we don't have that type of time. Knecht is someone I like a lot as he's very good and fits what we do. 

Bigs: I don't see Sarr as a big, more a big wing upside wise. If he's a big, he will suck and be a bust. Needs to play the 3 like J. McDaniels. Edey and Clingan. Missi and Ware are cool in general but for us, I'll pass. I haven't watched Holmes and won't till the combine. Flip makes sense as well as a 4.

Hawks BB

Edey

Gap

Risacher 

Clingan 

Gap

Knecht 

Shannon Jr. 

Gap

Flip 

Furphy

Gap

The rest for now. We got along way to go

Knecht is an interesting eval. The dude comps really similar to Bogi imo for good and bad. If his defense was passable I think he would be a top 10-15 lock but he's probably gonna be the guy that slides then a team like the Heat take him and everybody goes "How did this guy fall". If hawks move off of bogi or someone I wouldn't mind him at all.

5 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Interesting.  I'm curious as to why Cody Williams would be 5th among the wings?  Are you convinced that Holland will shoot better long term than he has shown to this point?  

I think a very real discussion that we should have is the fact that the proverbial BPA when the Hawks pick may actually be Stephon Castle, who at 6'6" has the ability to guard 1-3, and if he were a better shooter overall, he'd probably be the top overall prospect in this draft, IMO.  

Cody is a tough assessment for me in this draft and his fit with the hawks. I don't really buy his handle and he doesn't have elite athleticism. Feel like he is getting a bump from who is brother is ngl. I still rate him highly overall but I think the hawks don't a guy who at this point only projects as a scorer as the 3. Think we need more versatility on both ends of the court at that spot. Holland defensively is so good that he has to be top of the wing group imo and I buy his jumper long term.

Funny enough, I absolutely LOVE castle. I think he is a clear cut top guy in this draft. He is also an absolutely perfect fit at the 2 next to Trae. Only reason I didn't list him is because I know how much Quin loves and views Kobe I would envision he is starting at the 2 next year so it felt like a double dip. 

To separate from the Edey specific discussion made a draft specific thread. Not sure if there was an existing one already but we might want to split the two convos. This for Edey specific discourse other for all things draft

I'll start. Assuming the kings pick conveys I think the draft philosophy should be pretty simple. Add 1 wing and Add 1 big:

Wings I have my eye on: Holland, Risacher, Furphy, Matas, Cody Williams in that order.

Bigs I have my eye on: Sarr, Ware, Flip, Missi, Holmes in that order

34 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

My issue was we was playing guys crazy minutes trying to get wins. We didn't let it come to us. We ended up losing OO to injury. 

Yup been a problem all year tbh. Quin rides his guys a lot and when your rotation at the start of the season was mainly 8 guys I think it starts to pile up quick.

16 minutes ago, AHF said:

The game will never go back to centers the way it used to be due to zone defense, hand checking rules, and optimization around 3pt shooting but the idea of it swinging back a bit makes sense.  These things go back and forth some over time.

He looked great.  My only problem is that is what was something like 5 games.  That isn’t much of a sample.

Yeah his injury couldn't have happened at a worse time smh. Think they were really gonna come out of the break and continue to start him

45 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Sarr ain't what you think he is. Sarr is like a polished  Gueye but he don't even have as good fundamentals. He got more upside at the 3 if we keeping a buck. People are sleeping on it but he's closer to Jaden McDaniels than any big I've seen. Sarr can move his feet exceptionally well. 

I like OO as a backup 5 but as a starter, his mental acuity just isn't high enough. You see a clear difference between him and Capela even with Clint being washed. 

The issue with OO at the 4 is the perimeter defense. 4s in today's NBA are asked to have defensive versatility. OO has in chunks but it's not fully complete. OO lack of growth kinda sucks. He was a way better pick than Wiseman but he's not a top 15 center either. We just bet on a center in the wrong draft class. 

You are underselling what Onyeka did as a starter lol. The most recent stint when clint was out he showed off the entire toolset 

14 minutes ago, KB21 said:

The bigs in this draft that fit the modern NBA:

• Alex Sarr
• Yves Missi
• Ahmad Bradshaw (if he declares)
• Daron Holmes
• Kel'el Ware
• Oso Ighodaro

 

Sarr is a 4 more than a 5 which is perfect for us if we somehow won the lottery. Clingan is the other big that fits and he might even get better if they remove defensive 3 in the summer. Bradshaw and Oso shouldn't even be considered with where their pick will fall.

Missi is the guy the hawks should get to replace clint in the summer with the kings pick if it conveys

11 hours ago, NBASupes said:

When I continue to say, we are a better defensive team than offensive team, people get mad but we are. Trae makes us an offensive team but he also makes us a bad defensive team. That's why I continue to say, we need to draft an offensive big. Someone that can match Trae's offensive value. That would limit some of Trae's bad decisions, maybe even get Trae to take better shots that help us win more. Elite screens will also free up Trae a lot. 

we haven't really played a single good offensive team to say this. Every team we have played since Trae went down has been missing people or bad. Defense got torched by a crappy nets team missing their best scorer

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

I just don't want a reduction in on court talent. (We've done that for two consecutive years). Future picks aren't helping us on the court right now (unless we trade it for a player), WE NEED IMMEDIATE HELP! 

If it's another play-in season next year....I can't, I just can't 

Reduction in talent to get a better fit should lead to better results. No clue what they do at this moment but I know watching Trae and Murray iso one after another isn’t the move