Mikey

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Edey won't clog any lanes. He has his own gravity. If anything, he opens a lot of driving lanes. 

Where was that gravity when a team just played him straight up... oh yeah it doesn't exist. No team is going to double him at the next level cause they will be fine with conceding 2s 

2 hours ago, KB21 said:

His offensive value is derived mostly from post up possessions.  Those post up opportunities are going to go from 17-18 a game that he’s getting now to around 3-4 a game in the NBA.  That will be even less with the Hawks, who just do not post up their bigs.  
 

Sure.  He’s a great screen setter, but his value after setting the screen is limited because he’s so slow when he rolls to the basket and he can’t score on the move.  He has to stop, gather himself, and then go through all his slow moves while getting away with elbowing the defender in the face.  NBA teams aren’t going to roll him just to post him up like Purdue did.  

It really is this simple. He is not going to have nearly as many post up opportunities in the NBA to that he has in college. Shit he won't even have half as many. With the sheer volume of 3pt shooting other teams have and percentages nobody is giving him those post ups and if a team does they are going to lose via the 3 point game 99% of the time.

Key for Edey will be developing that mid range push shot/floater. Good screen setter but he's gonna have to work hard off these rolls. He has good touch tho so this shot should develop. Defensively though he won't ever be good at anything but drop and he needs to be much better challenging shots (some of this is likely he needed to stay on the court in college and played every minute so he didn't try to get in foul trouble). When you look at his positives and weigh his negatives that sounds exactly like... a backup big in the NBA. Which for pick 18-30 is solid value IMO

18 hours ago, NBASupes said:

That's 28 points before the game was out of reach against a center who only allowed 4 post up baskets all year in Clingan. The entire time, it was he sucks, he can't do it against guys who won't be selling insurance. Now it's, he can score and screen but is he really that good. Man, he's elite at screening. Hell yeah! I counted a potential 13 screen assists he could have had yesterday. That's double of what Sabonis is doing. Man, he's very impactful offensively right now

I've long said hes a good screener and I said the purdue guards didn't help him at all with their play around his screens in that game. Thats gonna be his calling card in the NBA. 

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

It was the perfect gameplan if you watched Purdue all tourney. Teams couldn’t stop edey so they helped and would kill teams with open 3s. They limited them to what 7 threes last night knowing if they took it out clingan can play edey straight. You want slow 2s every possession take it 

14 hours ago, NBASupes said:

He scored 30 points and got Clingan and Jackson into foul trouble. You put him with Trae, Murray, Hunter, and JJ, you can't do shit with him. []

Gameplan was let Zach do whatever he wanted so it’s not a surprise he scored a lot. Especially when he got like 10 of them when the game was over 

his role in nba isn’t gonna be back to basket 

Edey dominated those first like 12 minutes and after that it was all Uconn. I don't think any of this game or really what he showed in the tourney is valuable to see what he'll be in the NBA offensively. No team will post him up and play at the pace he does in college and today shows what happens if you play him straight up and don't help off shooters. He won't have gravity in the nba like he does in most of his college games.

His guards aren't good enough to use him as a screener which will be his primarily roll offensively in the nba. my thoughts on him remain pretty unchanged. Not a guy I would take for the Hawks current pick but if they traded back i could understand. Hes a 18-30 guy that will be a backup at best at the next level

Best matchup of the college season and we are getting it for a chance to win the natty. If Donovan stays out of foul trouble I dont think Purdue stands a chance but this is the matchup everybody wanted all season. Hyped

special battle between Knect and Edey.

The pick going to 2025 is better anyways. We will be better with no pick, the class is much deeper and better, and lower protections so kings can be in same spot and it’ll convey 

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2024/3/28/24111908/zach-edey-nba-draft-mock-scouting-report-best-teams-purdue-march-madness

Pretty good read on Edey and has him right around where I would in mocks

4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

He's been balling and is definitely an great fit with Trae. He's balanced offensively and defensively. Like everyone in this draft, he has question marks but I think he should be a top 5-10 in this draft. I think he's perfect for Memphis. Plays 21mpg which falls in line with how they like to use their bigs in rotation. He's also a really good fit for their perimeter centric style like he has at UCONN when Ja is back next year. Love Clingan and he's moved up to a tier 3.5 as well for the next iteration. 

I have a hard time seeing them as a playoff team without Kevin but they will play hard.

Yeah I think hawks will have some competition to draft him. Memphis as you mentioned as one spot and then potentially OKC too who desperately need a big and they have the capital to move up like they've done in years past

Donovan Clingan was flat out dominate last night. You watch Northwestern vs Uconn compared some of these other teams with notable bigs and you jus see how excellent on defense he is. Hawks getting 48 minutes of quality center play is something any Trae team needs and getting a much bigger and different style big to O is exactly what the hawks need

3 hours ago, NBASupes said:

The Hawks could have wanted Cam but Houston wanted him. It was just for 20. The player I was told Atlanta wanted was Gueye at 20 as well. So it's fair to say, Gueye was and still is sky high on their board

Yeah they high as heck on Gueye. I think they in theory have him penciled as the backup forward for next year especially now that saddiq will miss most of the season 

Tristan Da Silva is a very interesting player I have my eye on for the draft. 6-9 combo forward that’s a high level cutter, can shoot the ball, and excellent team defender. Upper class man too who is ready to contribute early. 

6 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Was the deal for Cam in addition to getting Kobe?

The deal was for pick 20. Clint was going to Houston 20 was coming to the Hawks and they were gonna take Cam. Houston stayed put

16 hours ago, KB21 said:

With two picks probable in this draft, it is going to be interesting to see what direction the Hawks go.  Thinking back to the 2021 draft, they drafted Jalen Johnson knowing that the immediate impact would not be there.  It was their intent to nurture him and bring him along slowly.  That has worked now that he has a real NBA head coach and a legitimate developmental staff nurturing him.  

In 2022, from everything I have been able to gather, their target/guy they wanted to draft was Jalen Williams from Santa Clara.  Jalen was a small school prospect, but he was a seasoned college player.  I think he was a guy they saw as a potential immediate contributor.  

In 2023, from everything I have been able to gather, Kobe Bufkin was the guy they wanted.  There was some Derek Lively talk, but it seems that Kobe Bufkin was their target all along.  Kobe is somewhere between Jalen and Jalen.  He's not as raw coming out as Jalen Johnson was, but he wasn't as ready to contribute immediately as Jalen Williams was.  

If they go the nurturing route, then I wonder if they are in on Jalen's brother Cody Williams.  The guy has no chance to contribute in a meaningful fashion in the NBA next year, but he's got tools to work with.  He's the upside play that I typically don't jump up and down for, but the upside is there.  He strikes me as a potential Cam Reddish type pick...a guy who is drafted based off his talent and not his production or a combination of the two.  However, Jalen Johnson was that type of pick to me as well.  Trey Murphy was my guy in that draft, and I will gladly admit that I was wrong in my assessment there.  

 

2022 they were all in on J Dub. Once he got taken before them they just did BPA.

2023 they were all in on Cason Wallace. Lively Whitmore and Bufkin were the other three guys they were targeting/considered and it ended up between Bufkin and Cam. They knew Lakers were taking Bufkin behind and they had a deal ready for the 20th pick which would have landed them Cam but Houston decided to keep the pick.

Too early to tell who will be the guy right now but it'll come out I am sure of it. Don't have historical data to predict this regime's draft profile as easy as it was fro Schlenk but I am positive we will hear of it. I don't think Cody will be someone they target and frankly he has been awful post injury

That defense that is so much better without Trae looked great last night

On 3/19/2024 at 6:41 PM, NBASupes said:

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Im still picking against them LOL. But if its ever a year they can get a deep run this is it. Bracket is set up for them to get out the region

Prayers to Sothron

3 hours ago, AHF said:

I have a lot less certainty around the Kings being a playoff team in the West than you do.  I think the scenario you lay out is very realistic.  But it is also not hard to imagine the Kings missing the playoffs with just a single injury to their team.  I also think if it comes down to them being a play-in team and losing their pick or leaning into the losses and keeping their pick that they would lean into the losses ala Dallas last season.  (I don't think they would do that if they are on track to be a legit playoff team.)

Yeah I can't see that happening. I personally think only way we get it this season is if they avoid the play in. Otherwise I dont think we will retain that pick this year. I also expect them to make a run for lavine in the summer and get better on paper. 

All things equal, if you told me the pick was in same spot this year or next and we were guaranteed to get it next I would defer it for 2025

4 hours ago, NBASupes said:

If Kessler was here, he would start over OO and Capela

If Edey is here, he would start over OO and Capela

If Clingan is here, he would start over OO and Capela

Just my take and I don't even think it's close. At the end of the day, OO isn't a starter for us, and Capela is washed. Games like this are vintage. He can go on tonight and put up another clunker.

Obviously, you think differently. 

If Edey or Cligan were here they wouldn't start over anybody. I don't think Quin would start any rookie big over either of those guys. Edey would be in the g league learning the structure from the skyhawks. Only big that would probably play up with the hawks imo would be clingan

11 hours ago, Sothron said:

We want the pick this year rather than hope Sac can make the playoffs next year.

This draft does not have the high value guys that are no brainers at the top three. True. It also has decent to good value at least through the first 20 picks. We should want to get a wing and a center with our picks.

I disagree. The pick is more valuable next year when we don't have a pick + there is slightly less protections on it next year (1-13). That basically is saying will the kings be a play in team and as constructed there is no reason to believe they won't be. Pick 13-17 in a much stronger class where we own no pick>>>

8 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

We play better when Trae controls tempo and can execute the offense and his options. If we have JJ open in transition, go for it but we have always played better at a mid tempo. We suck playing fast pace with Trae. 

That’s fair. I just think Edey is on the complete opposite spectrum of what Quin wants 

12 hours ago, Sothron said:

The more tape of Edey I watch the more I like the kid. Supes is right, there's honestly no one outside Yao that you can compare him to. He's not Big Country (who ppl forget before his injuries he was a good NBA center) that needed a lot of low post ups in order to generate offense. Edey moves around in the post and finds little spots on the floor for a quick post up or a hook. 

His touch around the rim is elite. He is much better on defense than people give him credit for. 

We have two first round picks or should in this draft. I hope we take Edey. Use the other pick on a wing defender.

If you guys think Quin who wants to play fast is taking a back to the basket big I got some bad news for you. And the way some of you guys are typing in this thread I can already see the "excuses" if Edey busts. "They aren't using him right". "He would be so much better with x player" Etc.