Mikey

Told y’all he not Klutch like y’all think he is 

On 12/27/2023 at 3:51 PM, Mikey said:

Trae explored leaving klutch all last summer just didn’t find a new agency he liked… 

dj doesn’t like his role here he wants to be a pg. it’ll come out soon 

I told yall

1 hour ago, AHF said:

Agree here.  Picks have value and TS did a superior job with his non-lottery first round picks.  The picks also have value in trade scenarios.

We just have to be realistic about the value of picks coming from playoffs teams in the near term.  Even if unprotected, they don't carry all that much value.  Like if the Knicks had traded us their pick this year that is the #25 pick.  Just look at a historical draft results study to see the average value from a player drafted in that range of the draft and set your expectations appropriately knowing there is obvious variance from there for any given pick.

New Orleans is an interesting situation with picks. They have their own, lakers and bucks so depending on how you see outlook of those teams some value there potentially 

17 hours ago, deester11 said:

Insiders. What say you? Any truth about the Pels..bs..or hopes up and settle for "we tried?" We gonna get this dude ain't we?

In general my rule of thumb would be be very weary of anything that is a rumor right now. It’s frankly just too early 

hawks and pels will have discussions just like they did at the deadline. What they end up settling for idk 

3 hours ago, JTB said:

I threw Herb or Murphy in with BI because it’s no secret they want to get rid of CJs bad contract…who I also threw in.

I will take Murphy if we can’t get Jones. It’s still an upgrade defensively for us either way.

If we take CJs bad contract I don’t know why they wouldn’t listen….especially if we give them OO in the deal to help offset the loss of Herbs defense.

Not if we are getting back Ingram and jones or Murphy….also I never said put CJ in the lineup with Trae. I said bring him off the bench with Bogi…just eat these last two years of CJs bad deal.

What was that trade again ? I thought it included BI and Herb.

Exactly….not sure if we get both but hell 1 is better than nothing 

Or you just take the hit and keep him (CJ) until his contract expires.

Plenty of teams would take CJ even tho I don’t like him as a player 

New Orleans countered with dj and OO for herb at the deadline. This gets a bit tougher at the moment cause of the contracts they have but I’m sure this will be discussed with BI/Cj going to a third team 

Ingram deal would likely be something like Dejounte and capela or something for BI + dyson 

1 hour ago, AHF said:

This makes sense with a Herb Jones or Trey Murphy trade.  That is absolutely not the case with the LA or NY trade scenarios that were heavily discussed at the trade deadline.  A trade like DJM for Quentin Grimes and a first round pick would be losing from every possible perspective and would lead to a team going in the crapper.  

A trade like Jones or Murphy might look like a losing trade to casual fans but would be a better team.  Grimes and a late first or a first that comes years down the road would be a disaster for the next 3 years if your goal is to improve the team's record.

except the deals werent only grimes and one pick lol. multiple versions were discussed and having additional picks to improve the team is not a bad thing

5 minutes ago, kg01 said:

It's possible to "lose" a Murray trade on paper but actually win it.

correct. getting someone like Herb is likely a lose on paper by many people (not me) but they will be a much better team if they land a player like that

6 hours ago, JTB said:

Revisiting the Hawks/Pelicans trade…. After further review….I love it!

 doing my own research and seeing with my own eyes the progress Ingram has made defensively these past two seasons has just completely won me over!

The fact that the pelicans have built a top 10 defense over the past two seasons with Ingram adjusting his game and adding a big helping hand using his crazy length is truly impressive and very overlooked

…..yeah I’m woke now!…I’d take Ingram w/ either Herbert Jones or Trey Murphy in almost any trade that doesn’t include Trae or Jalen Johnson.

Hell throw in CJs bad contract please!….its worth the trade to take on a bad contract if you can get Ingram with Jones or Murray’s defense. Give them OO! Just get this deal done.

@Mikey was on point with this one…if we judge the last two seasons Ingram is a much better defender than Murray. It could be Murray not playing point guard but either way Ingram has performed better defensively with his crazy length at 6’8 or 6’9 along with that crazy ass wingspan! BI knows how to use his length defensively and that’s needed around Trae. Combine that with Murphy or Jones…this should not be that hard of a decision for our FO!…considering that both Murphy or Jones would start here, if you want a defensive upgrade with some shooting ability well here it is!

Starters w/ a trade of BI, Jones, CJ:

Trae, BI, Jalen, Jones, center (drafted)

Bench w/ a trade of BI, Jones, CJ:

Bufkin/CJ, Bogi, Bey, Mo Gueye, Capela (Bufkin should split minutes with CJ and Bogi to keep them fresh)

*IF pelicans prefer we take Murphy instead of Jones, we just make Murphy in the starting SF spot & Jalen continues to start at PF.

 

EITHER way…the vision is clearer now and it makes complete sense if we are in deep discussions with the Pelicans. I don’t think it’s too much , I think we are overvaluing certain players (again) and here’s a team willing to trade good defensive role players who can hit the 3 ball exceptionally well for a point guard in Murray….you jump all over that deal if you’re Atlanta!…it’s almost too good to be true that here’s another opportunity to put size and length around Trae. 

Not getting herb with Ingram. It will be one or the other.

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

You know what Steph has had since Trae was drafted? Stability with ownership, front office and coaching - that matters. They only have ONE focus - building the team around Steph and a willingness to pay for it, so Steph doesn't  have to ask. They already moved on from their 2020 #2 pick - chess moves people. (Make a mistake, fix it, don't compound it by making a worse move).

Meanwhile Hawks are playing tiddlywinks.

While I agree that wasn't the case when Steph was there. But when he was becoming a star he had stability entire time but to his credit he is also one of the most selfless stars in any sport. They have their own turmoil going now with ownership trying to play this two timelines thing but he still gonna stick it through

21 minutes ago, KB21 said:

We also underrated the impact of Cam Reddish's on the ball defense during the run to the ECF finals, as well as his spot up shooting.  A lot of that was due to him, and a lot was the lack of coaching he got during his time here.  However, during that run, he was a terror as an on the ball defender.  The best perimeter defender on the team.  We have folks thinking the front court is the issue, but the perimeter defense has ALWAYS been the biggest issue. 

Cam missed the entire run but like 2 games in the ECF...

2 hours ago, AHF said:

I think trading for Beal is the first step towards a breakup.  You lock yourself into a massive overpay / underperforming player and you limit what the team can do.  If they used those resources to add more defense and had a better balanced team they would have been more likely to win in the first round.  It is up to management to make the decisions to put together the best team not up to Booker who is under team control for 4 more years.

In due time one of Booker or KD will be out of there. I dont expect it this summer but summer 2025. Will be a good year to have draft capital IMO

Just now, AHF said:

You can't tell me that Booker would have demanded a trade if Phoenix didn't trade for Beal last offseason and have me believe you.  

No i don't think he would. But it certainly leaves a sour taste and is the first domino towards a trade request. Then you get the first round exit and in his head he's probably thinking "if we had someone like beal we could have won". Its a same conundrum the hawks have with DJM.

Our star wants him and despite getting him we still lose first round. But if we didn't get him and the season still played out horribly the star is unhappy entire way and then requests come from that

38 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Good post.

Only thing I'll add, for all the folks that hate Klutch's supposed influence, take a look at what CAA is doing.  Particularly for the Knicks.

Yeah thats who I was referencing for Booker. 

10 minutes ago, KB21 said:

The only one close to Trae is Ja Morant.

??? this is a joke right

Steph, Luka, SGA, 

19 minutes ago, KB21 said:

This is a case of you don't know what you have until it's gone.  There are a lot of Hawks fans who have no idea that Trae Young is the best point guard in the NBA.  When he's gone, you will realize that.  

He's not the best pg lol.

5 hours ago, Sothron said:

So from sources I can't name but trust:

This is the first time the Hawks FO has seriously considered trading Trae. Trae has told the Hawks he's tired of this treadmill act. He either wants them to trade for a star and pay the LT going forward or he wants to be traded.

I think the cheapness of Ressler of not paying the LT will offset the money Trae makes for the franchise and he will "reluctantly" agree to move Trae and the team will restock with draft picks and maybe a young guy. This, I stress, is my personal opinion and NOT what I was told by sources I trust.

Not the first time technically. Schlenk was ready to trade him before they traded for Dejounte. Ownership was not on board

12 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Imo Trae and his camp (read: his dad) will be in for a world of hurt when they realize there is not another franchise in the league that will give him the free reign Atlanta has.  I doubt most teams would even want him for any kind of reasonable price with the exception of some bottom feeder teams that need butts in seats, i.e Pistons.

I waffle on whether I want to move forward with DJ or Trae, and I think it makes the most sense to move DJ, but there is definitely a part of me that struggles to see a championship path with Trae on a 35% of cap max in 3 years.

You are absolutely correct. Not one team in the league will give him the power they have in ATL. If they get a chip with the Lakers while Lebron is there, I don’t think it will matter to them but soon after it will crumble quickly 

30 minutes ago, JTB said:

Any insight on what Traes camp think “help” is?

 

like trading Murray for BI…..is this considered “help” ?

No clue tbh. won’t hear anything about the hawks for some time. Probably not until lottery and workouts start to ensue 

24 minutes ago, JTB said:

Is Murray considered “not help” anymore?…just wondering because as I recall from our insiders, Trae asked for Murray 

Correct Trae asked for him. But clearly they don’t work and if they trade him he’s gonna want them to get a replacement 

34 minutes ago, KB21 said:

So, you think they will trade Trae instead of Dejounte?

The plan to me is certainly trade DJ over Trae. 

I think Trae and his camp are applying a ton of pressure to get him some help this summer but I do not think the help they will want exists on the market so he will request a trade 

21 minutes ago, warcore said:

why would they lose Trae this summer after they traded Dejounte to NYK this season? 

Huh?