joannes3000

I watched the Allan Ray show then ate dinner thinking UCONN was gonna pound 'Nova in the paint the rest of the night and take back control. Instead I come back and fittingly 'Nova is up by 3 and they end up winning the game.

Quote: What we will do is trade Al and Zaza to Chicago for a resigned Tim Thomas and their #1 pick. Then we will get both Carney and Gay. And we will have: JJ, Carney, Gay, Williams, and Thomas as our starting 5. We will create all kinds of matchup problems. That's so ridiculous it can't possibly happen. You're right about creating all kinds of matchup problems but it will be us mismatched on defense, as usual. This thread brings up the ever intriguing question of who we could and should draft, though. I'm thinking Rudy Gay is the BPA as of right now. But here's a completely crazy idea; why don't we trade down, draft JJ Redick to man the point (note I didn't say PLAY point), and just try to outscore everyone. It would work on the PS2.

I've had the same crazy notion also, which kills me because I love rocking my Vick jersey. What could we get in return for Vick would be the biggest question. I think we could definitely get talent/picks in return, but like with all the discussions we have around here regarding Al, is it in our best interest to trade him? I think our biggest offseason priority should be shoring up the run defense by getting a headhunter at safety and/or a presence to line up either across from Kerney or beside Coleman. With that said, could we fill either of those needs by trading Vick? If not, I don't think it's a good idea. We've got a new qb coach that's versed in the WC offense and Vick has had another year in the offense as we run it. We also have a very well regarded backup in Matt Schaub that may be better off traded for the above-mentioned piece(s). ESPN the mag went as far as to annoint Schaub NEXT, along with the likes of El Presidente, Vince Young, and Michelle Wie - and on a side note, he did rip it up when Vick was out against Minny and nearly guided us to a win against the Pats so I believe there's more than just hype behind Schaub.

Quote: Who gives a damn about the second round pick. Not you, obviously. I'd vote for Dean also but only because the little college ball that I've seen this year has had him playing.

Quote: If the Blazers trade Theo to NY for Penny then they will certainly resign Prz, so that is one center off the market. I just got done reading this morning's Oregonian and there's a front page blurb pleading with Paul Allen to trade D Miles in hopes of dumping his contract for the hopes of resigning Pryzbilla.

Quote: Thank god Seattle didn't win. Agreed also. The calls definitely fell in favor of the Steelers though. The touchdown replay - it was ruled a TD on the field so the replay would have to have shown proof AGAINST the call, not for the call. The illegal block on Hasselbeck - that was indicative of the penalty calling. The offensive pass interference - see above. I would've liked to have seen a better called game in hopes that it was more competitive but it was still pretty good nonetheless.

The answer is still the same from the other thread. No.

No.

Quote: I think he is worth Harrington, at least we get something The question is, how much more is Al worth versus Darko? I tend to think that he's worth more and we'd basically give him away in a straight up trade. If anything, look at how much more interest there is in Al possibly hitting the open market next year compared to Darko. Also, how much more can the Pistons load up at the 3/4? You've got Tayshaun/Delfino and 'Sheed/McNugget. Granted I think Al would be an offensive upgrade to Delfino and giving up Darko wouldn't really sum up to much for the Pistons. But like I said earlier, would management really put that much faith in Darko. And even if they throw in a pick, player(s), or both, we'd still be taking an immediate step back and put more stock in the future which I don't think we need to be in the business of doing any more.

Do y'all have a forum fantasy league for baseball? We just set up ours on yahoo and thought I'd ask. If anyone's interested in joining ours, PM me and I'll give you the league id/pass. And if y'all do have a league, I'd like to join up this year.

Quote: Quote: We will NOT win a championship with the talent we have currently. We will NOT win a championship if we get a point guard OR a center. Thereofore, it would tell me that we need BOTH a point guard AND a center to get to championship level (also depth of course). We have only one first round pick in the next two years (Phoenix has the other two) so gaining talent comes down to that one pick and free agency this year. The free agent class this offseason is not very good. We almost NEED to trade Al to get a third way to gain talent. You cannot bank that BOTH other ways to gain talent WILL DEFINITELY get us what we need. Since you're talking championship Level.. Tell me. 1. How many championship teams ever got rid of good talent in a trade and didn't get back equal talent? 2. How many championship teams ever got to the championship without a multitude of talent and depth? Did you ever notice that Detroit traded UP in talent. remember, the guys that they got rid of: Sura, Googs, etc... They got Rasheed Wallace to replace those guys? 3. How many championship teams traded their 1st or 2nd offensive option along the road to becoming championship material? Notice I have never said Al was untradable... But if you trade Al, get equal value. It's as simple as that. Why do you think Al is the only player that we can trade to get this magical C or PG. Look at it realistically. We are going to be in the lottery of the draft. That's one of those positions. Unfortunately, I doubt that BK will ever address PG. IF you look over his track record with us, it seems that he doesn't believe in getting quality PGs. IF so, we'd have Howard Eisley right now or we'd have Matten Cleeves right now or we'd have Chris Paul right now. So in the draft, Espect us to come away with a big man. Then what?? Then you say.. "let's trade Al".. Why? If BK trades Al, it certainly won't be for a PG. 2. It's tough to use Detroit's aquisition of 'Sheed as a standard though. Remember, all we wanted to do was slash payroll when we swung that deal.

Quote: Quote: Quote: Banks had one good game, lets not get carried away. I'll keep this in mind, though I believe your statement may come back to bite you on your @$$. I doubt it. He is another shooting guard trapped in a point guard body, no different then Delk, Lue and Salim. At least he does have some size though, which would hopefully help us from getting murdered from whomever isn't being guarded by JJ. Thing is, and it's been mentioned in this thread already, is that Jaric seems to be another tweener guard.

I was seriously hoping Carolina would've kept Seattle out of the Superbowl. Now I have to deal with everyone around me talking about them winning the big one... Looking at how Pittsburgh manhandled Denver AT HOME, they're looking like they'll easily handle the spread.

Quote: Quote: How can you go backwards from last place? Good point... By letting tangible production be traded away for the prospect of more production. By maintaining a "grass is greener" mentality and not realizing that you can achieve the same results by fertilizing the yard you're in.

Quote: Let me ask you guys this, that are for Al staying a Hawk. But would keeping Al, be like the Bengals keeping Kitna at QB . . when you have "potential" in Carson Palmer on the bench? Sort of. It's not so much comparing what Al brings to the table versus what Kitna brought to the table, but more of how ready Marvin and Smoove are to produce Palmer-like results. I don't think either of them are ready at this point, with less than 2 years experience between them, to step in right now and make us forget about Al.

I agree on all fronts, other than the reasoning behind why Dirk/Pierce are getting paid more. What's your stance on why they're getting paid more or why they shouldn't be getting paid more than Al? We've both already agreed that it's not because of their defensive play.

Mainly to finally draw a line that says "demolition ends here and rebuilding begins here". We went out and made a splash on the FA market after talking about positioning ourselves to do it for years. I think time will tell that we didn't land a Shaq in FAcy but we also didn't land an Eddie Robinson. Going into last offseason, I felt that the biggest thing we could do is at least show continued effort in the plan that BK has laid out. Typically in any plan, the first steps are always the most painful and the past few years of roster implosion and cellar dwelling prove that point. Signing JJ was the end of that phase of the plan and now we move onward to better FA acquisitions, playoff berths and NBA dominance.

Quote: One who wants to leave the welfare line behind. Bottom line. Hold on to talent until there is a reason to trade it. I couldn't agree more. There's no more reason to hit reset by ditching Al for more potential. Let our forwards continue maturing - seeing as how the Joshes (if you want to count Chillz as a forward) plus Marvin have an underwhelming 3 or so years of NBA experience - and keep Al plugged in there until potential catches up with reality.

Quote: You pointed out Dirk. Dirk is not a good defender. However, he's making 13.8. You pointed out Pierce. Lord Knows Pierce can't defend well. Yet he's making 13.8. My point is that I wouldn't give Al the max. However a 9 million dollar deal is a good deal. Also, you don't find players who are as good as Al has been for us offensively everyday. You proved for me that teams with similar players as Al has paid a lot of money to keep those players... I've seen enough arguments on whether or not stats can justify a player's defensive impact on a game so I don't want to argue over whether or not Dirk or Pierce play good defense. In fact, I'll try to take defense out of the question. Comparing their salaries to a projected 9 mil salary to keep Al - I would readily overpay for a Dirk/Pierce type of player that goes for more ppg and has more of an impact on the game giving the rest of the team more flexibility on the offensive side of things. I don't think it's justifiable to compare Al to Dirk/Pierce until he can prove that he can be an offensive game changer; someone that would not only compliment JJ by giving him more offensive talent to feed off of, but someone that would compliment the rest of the team on the court. Yes, Al's numbers look great. Yes he's been producing extremely well as of late. However, it remains to be seen if he can continue to produce at the level he's at.

I voted no to an Al trade, barring it nets us: 1. A PG that can run an offense and big enough to guard the opponent's guard(s) 2. A PF/C that can provide interior defense and give us a semblance of a post presence when we set up at halfcourt. 3. A scorer/floor leader at the very least that would offset the loss of the scorer/floor leader that Al represents right now. I'm hoping we don't trade Al for any form of draft picks because at this point we should already be far enough out of the rebuilding phase that we should be going for proven talent versus potential.

Yeah, I caught a blurb on Sportscenter that Donnie Walsh doesn't want to do the deal because of Maggette's suspect ankle.

Quote: I have a bag of cheetos and an expiring contract...that would probably get the deal done. The cheetos would probably net us a 1st round pick out of the deal also. Refusing to go back into a game doesn't sound like the winning attitude that our team could use though.

I could not believe I saw the headline the other day. Quote: What's he trying to do, give Maurice Clarett a run for the money?

I was kind of hoping that he would stick around next year to try and repeat as a national champ and make a run for the Heisman, but he's definitely leaving on a high note. It'll make things interesting for New Orleans having their pick between Leinart and Young though.

Anyone but Alexander. Yeah, he broke the td record. Yeah he had the most rushing yards (by less than 30). Simply put: Tiki had 500+ yards more from the line of scrimmage. Manning was the top rated passer and guided a 13-0 team. Brady was second to Manning with far more injuries to deal with.