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Actually from a talent standpoint Josh Smith is as talented as any player they invited. It's from a maturity standpoint that holds his game back. Particularly his shot selection. When Josh Smith makes an effort to attack the rim and play in the paint, he can be as good as any player at his position in the league.

Josh Smith has never had a chance to showcase his talent in an all-star game. This may be the closest thing to that type of setting for him. Maybe he can rise up and showcase that talent

Whoa, let's not get "talent" confused with "athletic ability." The man CAN NOT shoot and has no real post game (yet) to speak of. It is a HUGE stretch for you to say he's as talented as any player they invited.

Either in a bar, at a casino, or on a golf course is my best bet.

That or getting a...

I'm all for bringing in a defensive upgrade. He would, by default, become our 2nd best defensive big man. Arguably our best. Not sure what Wallace you guys were watching last year. I know he had some injuries late in the year but when healthy is was more than adequate. No, he's not the player he once was but he was no stiff out there either.

This thread reminds me of the movie "Hustle and Flow".

In one of the final scenes of the movie, Anthony Amderson is talking to Terrence Howard, who is in jail. Anthony shows him a pic of his baby daughter that Terrence's girl had while he was in jail.

Anthony then asks Terrence about his meeting with Skinny Black ( Ludacris ), specifically asking him had he ever met Skinny before.

Terrence then goes into this analogy about his baby daughter when she's older, asking him if she could be President. Terrence says ( paraphrasing ):

"And when my baby girl asks me . . 'Daddy, can I be President' . . I'm gonna look her dead in her eye, and I'M GONNA LIE . . because as her Father, I'm gonna tell her she can be anything she wants to be."

So some on Hawksquawk wants Woody to be like Terrence, and lie to them. Lie . . . make us feel good Woody, when the media picks us 3rd in the division.

Some of you actually have such a disdain for Woody, that you believe that he's gonna write 4th PLACE on the team's white/blackboard before every game, so that they can play to that level. It's hilarious.

Almost as hilarious as when Woody used to get ripped constantly about his "substitution patterns." Like he was the only coach in the history of basketball that did this.

But then, when they would watch the Lakers or the Spurs, and see that they had timed substitutions, the Squawk would be like . . . "oh, I see Phil and Pop do this, so I guess it's OK for Woody to do it too."

Now look at the Squawk. Some actually want to mandate that Woody plays Teague 8 - 15 minutes a game. Well, there's no way that can be done, without a timed substitution pattern.

Nevertheless . . .Woody is the one that is an idiot.

Sometimes your "fandom" gets in the way of your brain. Go back to Diesel's quotes from REAL coaches. That's what REAL coaches say. None of them on that list would have ever said what Woody said (or anything else that comes out of his mouth). I don't want Woody to lie. I want him to believe damnit. There's nothing wrong with saying our team has a legitimate shot at winning the East. They do. On paper Shaq may look good in Cleveland but on paper he looked good in Phoenix too. I don't think Orlando got any better but I'm not sure they should have been that good to begin with. Boston is another year older and another injury away from second round obscurity. Why should our head coach not believe we have a shot at it? It may be a slim shot but it is a shot that will be much easier to reach if your reaching for it. As much as you're always questioning our "fandom" perhaps you should be looking in the mirror on this one. That or questioning your brain for driving that far to that many games just to see a team that, if all goes perfect, will be a 4th seed in the East.

I can't believe I wasted $5 to see this crap. I thought since Borat was some what funny that this might be also. This movie is quite possibly the worst movie I have seen that I can think of. If you have thought about seeing this movie trust me DO NOT! I don't see how anyone thought this was remotely funny. It made me sick watching the type of stuff that was in the movie. This is the type of movie that is a career killer and I wouldn't be suprised if this is the last of Sasha Barron Cohn(SP?).

Had that movie not been made, testicles would have never been put in Eminems face. That alone keeps it from being the worst. I didn't watch Borat and don't think I'll be watching this either.

Acie was in a bad mood the minute he was introduced as a Hawk.

I've got the picture to prove it.

Well,,,???

So people are bashing Woody for telling the truth?

If he said we are title contenders what difference does it make?

We are not. Too young and the top teams are too loaded.

If you can't accept that then you should pull for one of the 5 teams in the league that have a shot at the title in LA, Boston, Cleveland, Orlando, and San Antonio

No other team has a chance

No one has NOT accepted the fact we aren't a top 3 team in the league but it is a long season and anything is possible.(Look at Orlando) The fans deserve to know that the head coach is at least playing for first. You ask any great or HOF coach if they ever went into the season hoping for a slightly above average season (which is what 4th place in the east is). NONE of them will tell you they did and they sure as hell wouldn't tell the media or fans that. The real "truth" is that Woody is looking out for Woody. It's very disturbing that Atlanta fans would want a coach that shoots for a 4th place seeding.

For the record, I never said I wouldn't be happy with a 4 seed. What I am saying is you don't want your coach telling the world that, at your best, you're the 4th best team IN THE EAST. That's absolutely rediculous for a HC to say such a thing. Last year I kinda thought it was odd to say it, but this year I'd at least want him to strive for a 3 seed. He HAS to expect an improvement if he wants to get improved results. Saying he's playing the underdog role is pure BS. Even Bibby and Zaza talked about winning a championship. Obviously you guys don't understand goal setting and it's effects on one's mentality. Only LOSERS are content with tredding water.

Think about it. Championship teams have their players playing up to their potential and beyond. Their role players have career years and their backups play out of their minds as well. Why?? Coaching. The good coaches are good at getting the most out of their players. You can't do that if you set the bar low and instil mediocrity into their heads from the beginning. Our main issues are that our young players don't play up to their potential and our backups never seem to contribue. It's kinda hard to expect that out of them when you're already letting them know they can't do it.

ahahahaha

it's amazing this guy still has a job

What's so funny is that he doesn't even realize another 4th place finish and he probably won't have one.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basketball/nba/07/13/hawks.bibby.ap/index.html

"Cleveland is trying to win it all," said Woodson of the Cavaliers, who have added Shaquille O'Neal as the new complement to LeBron James.

"Orlando, they're going to be there and Boston has just taken it to another level, I think."

Orlando has added Vince Carter and Brandon Bass. Boston signed Rasheed Wallace.

So where does that leave Atlanta?

"I sure hope right there at that fourth spot," Woodson said Monday.

Well that's where we'll be. 4th spot. L-O-S-E-R

Dexter is, um... being shipped to me... right now. Season 1 & 2. Next up I'll um... order... Sons of Anarchy / Big Bang Theory. Not a big fan of Lost, I hear the plot just goes in circles.

Circles?? You heard wrong. Far from circles. Think more like the largest most abstract crazy straw you've ever seen and that's how it feels trying to follow the plot.

Lost

Tosh.0

True Blood

Sons of Anarchy

I know most people won't care about this article, but it pisses me off.

1) People on this board criticized the hell out of me a few years back, when I was flat out telling some of the so-called die hard Hawk fans to go to the games and support the Hawks UNCONDITIONALLY. This pretty much supports everything that I was talking about back then. Those numbers tell you all you need to know about Atlanta.

last season posting those kind of numbers? That's pathetic.

What you were saying wasn't really the problem...HOW you were saying it was. Mabye do it with a little less "holier than thou" attitude next time and you'll be amazed at how your point may be taken.

Mike Woodson got more out of Flip Murray than anyone could have expected. If Mike Woodson can make Jamal as efficient as Flip was last season, then we have a hell of a player on our hands.

How? By giving Flip the green light EVERY time? By letting Flip know that no matter how bad of a game he has he can shoot it till his hands bleed and he won't get pulled? By letting him know that Acie is one TO away from Flip getting back in and shooting till he gets hot? Don't give Woody too much Credit for Flips year. All he did was what he should have done with Acie and that is to let him play with some freedom. The rest was on Flip.

Maybe you could try looking them up for yourself.

http://www.82games.com/index.htm

Why should I look them up when you're giving me Bibby's numbers and saying the other's aren't even close? I just assumed you already had them, sheesh.

That is interesting that the gap is that large. That definatly puts more weight in your argument than total PG's scored vs each team and that's all I was saying.

I disagree. I like when JJ, Marvin, Smoove, and Horford swith b/c they are all versatile enough to defend the perimeter and the post.

We are kind of forced into switching with Bibby. Either we switch or his man blows right by him.........pick your poison............I would rather Bibby let his man blow by him then to see Bibby get switched on a big in the paint.

So you're telling me Al Horford has a better chance of guarding Rondo at the top of the key than Bibby does? Not to mention that may put Bibby on Pierce. Come on man. We switch because Woody is not capable of strategic tweaks. Plain and simple.

Regardless, let's say Woody thinks Bibby's D is so bad that Al should be guarding their PG. Well 4 plays in a row (Spurs anyone?) the PG fakes the drive, gets Al peddling backwards and pulls up and hits the J. Here's a clue Woody...Instead of switching to protect Bibby, why not put either our best defensive PG in the game (Oh golly what an idea) or even our best defensive player.

Either way Woody's switching blows.

Better than Bibby's. Nobody in the rotation had a worse defensive +/- than Bibby and it wasn't close.

So what were they or are you guestimating? I'm not saying I don't believe you but I'd find it interesting since our starters usually play most of the minutes together most of the time to give that large of a descrepancy.

Some of you guys are really stretching here. Acie was a very good prospect coming out of college. Do you know how many very good prospects coming out of college crap out in the pros? There are too many to count.

When Acie got to the league, he struggled with his jump shot and injuries. Once the injuries piled up, he struggle with his confidence. Mike tried to get him on the floor, but it seemed like everytime he did, Acie would get hurt again. I guess it is Mike's fault that Acie couldn't stay healthy.

No but what is Mike's fault is that, since the injury, every time Acie had a decent game he got absolutley no playing time the following game. Even a few DNP's after very good games. How the hell is he suppose to get some confidence playing with a coach like that?

Sure Acie blew some chances, but for the most part he was never rewarded after good performances.

Except that part of the reason is that Bibby can't stay with his man through a pick. Also, Bibby would have to have points scored by Paul Pierce and others counted against him if you employ that standard.

Again, we do not switch so that Al guards their PG nor do we switch so that Bibby can guard Pierce. We switch because Woody is an idiot.

Edit: To the point...I still think saying "player X's defense is better than player Y's defense because PG's scored more points on player Y's TEAM than did player X's TEAM" is simple minded as well. WAAAAY to many other factors to consider.

The Hawks don't have to switch before the other team even crosses half court. However the Hawks will frequently have someone else guarding the pg because Bibby can't.

Since the trade the Hawks have consistently given up 6 ppg more when Bibby is playing. Good luck finding another starting pg with a similar number.

We don't switch strictly based on Bibby's D. I can't tell you how many times Al ended up on the opponents PG and we got burned for it. There is no way we switched to take Bibby, as bad as his D is, off of the PG so that our C could guard him. \

Again you're throwing up a team stat to blame Bibby. In fact, what is that stat for every one of our starters?

Boris Diaw as the starting center is obviously deserving of the MVP.

Despite his horrible defense. Yet Bibby sucks at PG because he can't play D. Also speaking of simple minded when looking at a players D, I'd suggest not going by how many points PG's scored on Nash vs Bibby. Most of our opponents points from that position came because of our switching Defense. Not real fair to make Bibby accountable for when Al is getting schooled by the opponents PG.

Life is too short man. Things can ALWAYS be worst... enjoy your time on this Earth while you can, because NOTHING is guaranteed.

Exactly. Life is what you make of it man. You're taking all the bad things out of it instead of taking the good things. There were good things that happened to all of us and I'm sure something good has happened in your life in the past 10 years you're just choosing, for whatever reason, to ignore the good things.

Sure, this world seems like it is going to hell but, to people like yourself, it's already there. If you are really this down about things and truely find it impossible to see anything at all positive in your life, in all honesty you need to see someone.

Yeah, tell that to Gilbert Arenas and Tony Parker

While it is possible, I'll bet you paycheck to paycheck Teague does not have a year anywhere near those two's averages. Not his rookie year anyway. Which is why we NEEDED Bibby back.

You "Hawks" fans are funny (not you Mr. New York as you won't know what I'm talking about). Bibby is arguably a top 3 PG to put on a Hawks uni (absolutely the best in 10 years)and you guys are ripping him apart because he's not the total package. Enjoy a real PG while we have it guys because we rarely get that opportunity.

And at the same time proves that he knows his own deficiencies and doesn't let the pride of him being the head coach get in the way of what he knows is best for the offense.

Ahh, well played Dolfan. Well played indeed.

Woody's still an idiot. :tongue:

If anything it proves, yet again, how clueless Woody is with an NBA offense.

I am glad Bibby is back as, hands down, he is the most under appreciated player on our team. He may be a defensive liability but he does what he can with the athletic ability (or lack-there-of) he has. The most importan thing is that he is the definition of a leader. I was at the Lakers game last year and I remember during warm-ups Bibby was joking around and laughing with our young team before tip-off. He knew how many Lakers fans were in our building and he could sense our young team was probably a little to wound up for it. Well we won that game and a lot of it had to to with Bibby.