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15 hours ago, JustSomeGuy said:

Love the deal. Only gets better with better floor spacing after we dump Hunter. 

We need to replace Hunter with someone better if we dump him. Easier said then done. This team's biggest need is still defense. 

12 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

It's more than a $40 mil difference. 

If he got to FAcy and was looking for a 30% max deal of the projected $149 million cap for 5 years...that's a deal starting at ~$44 mil with the 8% raises.....that's +$200 million.

Considering that FVV signed a 3yr max deal for $128 million with a lower cap figure.

There's also no guarantee he would get offered a max deal so there is that. But yea, this is for sure a team friendly deal, no doubt about it. 

Kuzma got 4 years 102 million.

This is a great f***ing deal for the Hawks. I myself would not have wanted to pay DJM a cent more than 30 per year, and that's exactly where we landed. Nice. 

3 minutes ago, Gray Mule said:

Just over at Toronto RealGM board.  Their biggest complaint:  Siakam does not shoot the ball well from deep.  What?  Do we really need a player who isn't a top free throw shooter and can't hit a ton of threes?

Yup, that's not ideal. Counterpoint he did average almost 6 assists last year, not a lot of open looks for him last season. Just like DJM getting a bunch of better looks from deep and seeing his 3pt shooting improve this year we can hopefully see somethign like that with Siakam, more open looks less double teams. I don't know.... I don't LOVE Siakam, but he would still be the best player we've ever had playing next to Trae Young, and I think with Quinn he could have his best seasons with us. Like I said if we had the luxury of flipping DJM and spare parts of Siakam and more expensive spare parts to match salaries I would much rather pay Siakam on our team than I would Murray. 

44 minutes ago, AtLaS said:

Jalen Johnson's comparison is Stephen Jackson and TJ Warren seem way off to me.  Jackson was more like a G/F to me and TJ Warren doesn't pass at all.   I think Jalen is more like a Lamar Odom type.

In what universe is OO like Harrell?  I think Bam is a much better comparison.  Not saying OO will get THAT good but he has the potential.  

I think Bam is more off base than Harrell. Outside of size and defense not sure how they are similar. Offensively they couldn't be more different. OO gets around 70%  of his production at the rim, Bam has always been much more of a mid range shooter / short range floater scorer, even very early on in his career. AT this stage the difference in shooting splits by distance is staggeringly different with OO shooting 61% of his shots at the rim vs Bam at 29%. On top of this Bam always was a much, much better passer and by his third season he was also an infinitely better ball handler than OO will ever likely be. 

Honestly not sure who I'd compare OO too, he is a unique player (so is Bam). I think he will always be primary a rim runner and put-back type of guy offensively, though if he can continue to work on his mid-range jumper and occasional 3pt set shot it'll add a couple of PPG to his game. I think the most intriguing thing about OO is the defensive potential, and that is higher than Bam's. The one drawback is his size, and it's something that Bam occassionally struggles with as well. So in that regard they are simialr. The key with OO is which lineups we can use that mitigate his lack of size. 

16 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I don't see a future with Siakam.   IF he keeps his word, he doesn't resign.  We enter Danny Manning neighborhood.

If he does resign, according to @KB21 our advantage over other teams is offering him a 5 year deal with 8% raises...  meaning that he'll be 34 and 35 years old getting about 60 Million per from us.

To me... that's not the best way to go. 

But if we offered him a three million dollar Max deal, there will be a team willing to go 4 year max. 

 

I know this has already been discussed but I would take anything Siakam and his camp say atm with a grain of salt. They have only one goal in mind and that is to make sure he isn't traded so he can get more money. Once he's traded that "more money" ceases to exist, and then the "most money" becomes staying a Hawk or whatever other team he ends up getting traded too. Odds are you get the fastest 180 in attitude you'll ever see the instant (if) he gets traded.

I have mixed feelings about Siakam, I think he's a DJM type of guy as far as value. If we could come up with a package to swap them I would do it. I'd rather be stuck with Siakam at the max than both Trae and DJM who play the same position.

2 minutes ago, terrell said:

MIght be a better fit with Capela tbh..

He'd be our PJ Tucker.. lol

Yup.. assuming we add Grant and don't make other major moves you can slot him either at SF in OO lineups (backing up Hunter) or at PF in Cap lineups. He's a guy that fills a need for sure as our SF/PF is our biggest issue atm.

Just now, txsting said:

We shot more 2FG's than any team in the league last year, so one way we could improve efficiency is to pull defenders out of the lane.  60% from 2 is just as good as 40% from 3.  There are different ways to be more efficient.

We need shooters for sure, especially now that we don't have Collins who was actually making quite a bit of threes at a good clip to end the season when the offense really took off.

1 minute ago, txsting said:

I like if true.  Should have "Hawks DNA" (snort) in spades.  He competes, has toughness, is a winner, shoots, does dirty work.  We would be pretty small if you're going to play him with OO.

You can have lineups of JJ-Grant-OO. Grant is versatile and you can put him in the wing.

2 minutes ago, terrell said:

Jared Weiss at The Athletic mentions the Hawks as one of the teams interested in Grant Williams at or slightly above the MLE.

Insiders? 

That would be a good addition for the MLE. I know his stock is low after falling out of the rotation and getting clowned by Butler, but he is a 40% 3pt shooter the last two years and plays very solid perimeter defense. It's just the type of guy we should be adding.

38 minutes ago, JTB said:

Whether you like Gobert or not ….you can’t tell me you wouldn’t be excited if we had OO & Gobert defensively when facing Boston and Milwaukee!

you can’t ask for better defensive tandem in your  front court!

 

I know…OO hasn’t proven he can shoot yet but I have faith in Synder and his staff to develop this roster 

Eh. Gobert is Marcus Camby getting paid Shaq money.

No thank you. 

34 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

No. IMHO. 

Bruno is on the team?

Just now, warcore said:

I'm upset his name is being brought up here. Did people already forget he made his teammates smell his stank booty the whole flight back because he didn't wanna get caught by media?

The first player in history that I've seen a team come out and publically say they had no intention of resigning no matter what. 

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

On the one hand, bro still scores and shoots well... on the other he's 6'3 and plays no defense. Probably wouldn't be able to get a better player than him with our oh so juicy MLE though. The TPE will rot before we use it. 

4 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

https://omny.fm/shows/dukes-bell/hawks-may-not-make-a-big-splash

 

2 hours ago, Final_quest said:

If JC was a free agent and you saw that Utah signed him for 3 yr $78M you would say they are nuts.  
The trade opens up a huge TPE, plus the MLE and BAE.  What we do with those options are who we traded Collins for.  So the grade is incomplete until those moves are made.  

Eh, that's what Kuzma is going to get and I'd rather pay that to Collins every gd day of the week and twice on sunday. Not defending the contract but just your specific analogy I don't think is accurate in the current free agency climate. 

4 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Yeah, anyone that thinks our front office is bad should take a look over there lol... we're up in arms about a player who played horrendously being traded for peanuts when the Mavs let a legit all-star talent walk so they could then give away a first rounder to bring in head-case Kyrie -- and that's after a plethora of terrible moves the past few years.

Head case Kyrie balled out of his mind averaging 27-6 on 64% TS and they couldn't win a game. Worth noting Luka has been a driving force behind the Mavs moves, especially the Porzingis trade and the head coaching change. Very easy to build around! 

7 minutes ago, shakes said:

His peers are dbags like Rick Carlisle and Pop.    their opinions are worthless.

LP will not SNIFF a head coaching gig ever again in his life. 

23 minutes ago, Plainview1981 said:

It's easier to build around Luka and he is just a better talent than Trae. Both are likely drama queens behind the scenes.

Travis not a good lotto draft guy. He's better off picking in the late teens. Which is fine if you aren't getting lotto picks. He blew those.

Hunter is just a role player. A 15 PPG player in this era is nothing. He would have been a 10-12 PPG player in the past. Some defense. Not so good handles, he is inconsistent in terms of being offensive minded, he isn't that good of a rebounder or passer.

Cam was a bust.... Collins has been on the downside since his 2nd or 3rd year. He has gotten less productive as he has entered what is supposed to be his prime.

 

If it's easier to build around Luka how come they have not done so? 

3 hours ago, bird_dirt said:

Luka and CP3 were never even on the Hawks and we still talk about them regularly. 

Feel like CP3 is not mentioned any more, took like 18 years for that to happen though. 

58 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

The Nuggets championship made me feel even better about our chances with Trae.   Yeah Jokic is better than Trae and gives you a lot of things in one player but offensively both players give you a lot of elite play.   Surround them with the correct players and you can do great things.   Trae will need more help than Jokic in that we have to have an all star level frontcourt player but we've seen that you don't need 3 superstars to win in this league anymore. 

In terms of fit I just don't see getting rid of elite players because you think the ok players fit better.   I know DJ was an all star with the Spurs but not sure if he's going to see another all star game.  And I"m not sure KAT has any better years in front of him.   So yeah i'm riding with Trae and find guys to get on board. 

The one thing it tells me is we need to get shooters around Trae. Period. Not news to me, it's obvious from our ECF what the recipe to success is with the team.

25 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/rounds/_/season/2019

Aren't there like 6 starter from this draft? 7 if you count Tyler Herro who was benched much of his career because of his defense.  This year was Herro's and Cam Johnson 1st years as full time starter whereas Hunter has started since his rookie season so in actuality only 1 player drafted after Hunter has started more games.

Cam Johnson, PJ Washington, Brandon Clarke, Terrance Mann, Keldon Johnson, Keving Porter JR, Jordan Poole, Talen Horton-Tucker, Herro, Thybulle, Claxton, Gafford, all were potential picks if we didn't trade for Hunter and give away our second round picks.

We could have picked anywhere from 2 or 4 of these guys, instead we came out with just Hunter. It's not just the Hunter trade which in itself is maybe a "push" but in combination with the Reddish pick and then giving away our second round picks and turning three of them into = Bruno. It was a bad draft. No doubt about it.

31 minutes ago, Packfill said:

I generally agree, but still think someone will give him at least $15m a year and losing him for nothing doesn't help fill out the roster (which will be more challenging going forward due to the limited number of picks the team has over the next few years).

We can't afford to pay our 5th,6th option guys I don't think. Bey will need to be replaced by one of our players on a rookie contract.

43 minutes ago, Sothron said:

I would not trade Trae for KAT but I would absolutely trade for KAT. He is a star player. He and Trae together on offense would be amazing. KAT's defense isn't anywhere as bad as people think it is either. Minn had a great defense just last season with him on it and did the season before as well.

KAT playing natural center again would be great.

I agree with you. For all of KATs issues and softness, he is still an absolutely ideal fit next to Trae Young offensively and by a country mile the best player we have ever paired him with, weeeeelll above DJM.

12 hours ago, Packfill said:

The answer to that question, however, is muddied by the draft capital the team gave up to acquire him.  I guess doubling down on a bad investment would be worse than cutting ties and taking the hit though.

After the Collins deal can the Hawks even resign Bay and OO (forget about Murray for the moment) and stay under the tax?  Those two are going to get a combined $40m+ a year I think.

I feel Bey is a stopgap type of player for us. I don't think we are gonna break the bank to keep him unless you know he really balls out next year, which I don't think will be the case.