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15 minutes ago, Jody23 said:

The only problem with this is Reaves is not good defensively.  I watched some of the Suns/Lakers game last night and the Suns were targeting him on defense.

He's targeted because he's the weakest link on the wing. Not because he's outright terrible. He lacks length, but works hard. 

For a team allergic to the luxury tax, picking up valuable players on great value deals is a must. Reaves is such a player. Start Bogi, have Reaves off the bench we won't lose much offensively over our current squad and at a third of the price. 

45 minutes ago, terrell said:

Have you seen him play Defense? No thanks.. Hawks dont need anymore horrible defenders..

 Yes, he gets picked on because well he's worse than Lebron obviously, but he isn't "horrible". That's some hyperbole right there. Not saying he's a defensive difference maker but we aren't trading for a lockdown defender who can give you 15-5 on 61% TS and is a lockdown guy for 12 million a year, because that doesn't exist.  You aren't getting anyone who produces what Reaves can give you at his price point it's a great value deal and if we ship DJM and Reaves is not part of the package it's a failure by our front office. 

Just now, kg01 said:

I like where your head is at but I think Wiggins is the wrong player for it.  His peak was so short and tied to being in a contract year that its not believable.  I trust his years of frustrating play which makes him a no-go for me. 

O, agree, agree. Just playing devil's advocate if the move is being considered.

Just now, georgia said:

I have always thought Bagley is pretty good when Hawks plays against him or maybe our defense is just so bad.  

He's the most usless sort of bigman in the NBA in 2023. No range, no defense. 

7 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Agreed.  Makes it suck, from a human standpoint, that fans just gloss over it.  Especially GS fans.  That man won them a ring as much as their 'big 3' did that year.  But they're ready to jettison him.  Meanwhile Klay and Draymond suck out loud. 

From our viewpoint, as you say, there's something going on with him that makes acquiring him a non-starter. 

Or maybe, a counterpoint: we take a risk on him getting shit sorted and getting back to where he was? To me the real non-starter is that behemoth contract. Not worth the risk at that price.

4 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Trae for TJ McConnell.  

Anything with NOP tickles my fancy.

Thought he was injured?  I like him in Bruno's spot tho. 

Thought it was his dad being deathly ill?  Thought the wife stuff was just the internet being the internet. 

Oh I have no idea, could be. But whatever it was it's not really important, just that he has none basketball shit going on that is likely impacting him on the court was the important thing I wanted to convey. 

1 minute ago, RedDawg#8 said:

“Overrated!!!, **clap, clap, clap-clap -clap**

I don't understand the Reaves hate. Like at all. Do you guys not watch him play, ever? He was averaging 17-5 on 64% TS down the stretch for the Lakers last year, averaging 15-5 on 61% TS this year and just 2 tos per game. He's 25 and making less than Bogi. 

2 hours ago, theheroatl said:

I don’t want the Lakers trash or the Warriors trash… there is a reason those teams suck.

 

Only AD.

I'd take REaves on his contract in a heartbeat, but pretty sure the Lakers wouldn't move him. 

22 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

I did not realize Wiggins had fell off so far, that's a shame.  What trade would you guys be most happy with of all the rumors that have been floated?

Worth noting last year he missed like over half the season due to "personnal reasons". Something to do with his wife. Since coming back he's been a shade of the player he was a couple of years ago. 

On 1/6/2024 at 7:35 PM, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

I always was under the belief that they re-signed Bogi for that many years, in order to have him be a part of a big trade.  But as long as Bogi is in the lineup, and DJ is on the team, where is AJ going to get his minutes?  And if AJ isn't good enough to get minutes, we shouldn't hesitate to move him.

But Bogi is the most attractive.  Hawks would be smart to sell high on him now, and see if they can get a player who can shoot, but provide much better defense.

Love Bogi, but yea, it's time to punt any hopes at a run this year and try to retool for the next 2-3 years. Guys like Cap, Hunter Bogi and DJM need to be moved... everyone outside of Trae and JJ.

What a win.

Not a fan of Dejaunte Murray man. Him Cap and Hunter need to be traded for better fitting pieces.

24 minutes ago, AHF said:

If we are getting like the 22nd pick in this year’s draft I don’t put much value on that unless we can flip it.  You can always get lucky but most picks in the 20’s aren’t very good and this isn’t supposed to be a good draft so that lowers the odds further from an already bad baseline.  I’d need a young player who is almost worth DM by himself for me to be happy.  Not like NY’s 2024 pick and Grimes or something like that,

. Honestly what we should do is shelf Trae using his shoulder as an excuse, and tank for that #1 pick. Only shot in hell we'll ever have at picking up another All NBA guy. Then again pretty sure the lottery is rigged and the NBA hates Atlanta so maybe we are just shit out of luck forever. 

1 hour ago, AHF said:

They are much better than nothing and may result in a good player.  But they won't do so immediately when they are future picks.  Again, we traded Huerter in June of 2022 and the guy we take with that pick may not even be an impact player until 2026.  That doesn't mean the pick doesn't have value and it is certainly better than what we got for Collins.  But when you need players to help form a winning team around Trae Young before his early termination option arises in the summer of 2026, you can't count on much from a 2025 pick and can't even theoretically count on anything from a 2026 or later pick.  That is fine for a team like SA or OKC that is/was content to stink in the meantime and take high lottery picks with their own draft assets but not so much for a team like the Hawks whose star has two years left of team control after this year and whose picks are owned by another team.

If you do a deal that nets you a future pick, you then have to figure out how to flip that for an impact player sooner than later which is easier said than done.  Even with a slew of picks, we've seen teams like Boston struggle to translate those picks into real live players.

So I'm definitely on board with you on picks > TPE but I don't think we can settle for picks either.  I'd hold DM before sending him for mediocrity now and future picks that are likely to be outside of the lottery.  

(When I say this I'm not saying you can't deal for picks and promptly flip them for viable on-the-floor talent.  I'm saying if the net of our trades is mediocrity plus picks that is a very dangerous situation for this team for the 10 years).

I'm just going at this with the baseline expectation of our trades being ass. I'd rather get a pick then a bum ass expiring, or TPE. If we trade DJM we need a first round pick for this upcoming draft + someone useful at a position of need this year. That's as good as I'm capable of imagining a trade getting for us. 

20 minutes ago, AHF said:

And currency is only useful if you can actually buy things with it.  We can't wait to get help for this team given the picks we've forfeited and Trae's contract.  In a rebuild you stock up picks and have the luxury of sitting on them until you are ready to do something.  We need to be competitive in the near term so that limits what you can do with picks.  Here we are in 2024 and that Sacramento pick may not even be in the rotation for us let alone an impact player anytime soon and we traded Huerter back in June of 2022.  Unless you are going to bail on Trae and move into full rebuild, I just don't see picks being as valuable for us as young guys currently playing.

Picks are better than nothing, better than TPEs we won't use at least. You may get lucky and draft a player that can make an imediate impact, a Cam Johnson or even a young John Collins. 

11 minutes ago, terrell said:

Yeah if its the Knicks we want their own picks....

But IDK man

Its gonna be hard to find a trade that Hawks fans are gonna be happy with IMO..

 

I know people won't be happy but we need picks. Two Laker firsts and Rui 

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I think it's two-fold: if we can't make a block buster upgrade to improve the team, then it'll be trading vets for young players/picks to clear salary for next season. 

It's what would make sense at least. I think it's clear this isn't a championship core atm. 

1 hour ago, AHF said:

JJ's 3 ball has already come around.  He just needs to sustain what he's already doing there.  Better than Bogi, Hunter and Trae from there so far.

I'm fine with the idea of OO as a swiss-knife off the bench as well mixing and matching with JJ and KAT if we added KAT in the deal you noted above.  I think JJ & OO have been a strong combo and KAT & OO match up well on paper.  

Given what we've seen from this team so far, I'd be on board for this.  (And I'll grant I'm predisposed to like the idea of a Trae/KAT pairing better than some on this site.)

Yup it's a no brainer. Not cheap, but how could it be when you get a max guy back. KAT will fit better here than he has in Minny the last several years. 

3 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

Any trade for an upgrade always includes the Sacramento pick.  Why?  Because you need picks and players to get a deal done.  

Without that pick we don’t have enough draft capital to make these trades.

And if we had Huerter he could be part of this trade. And if we got any other asset back it would be too. Don't understand what your point is at all. I guess we should be happy we didn't cut him outright?

1 minute ago, Final_quest said:

We're going from sellers to buyers every couple hours.  This feels like sitting in a room when someone is flipping the lights off and on.  

I will say this to everyone who was triggered by trading Huerter for a pick.  That looks like a really good idea if it helps us land someone like KAT and with Huerter falling back to earth pretty good after his hot start with the Kings.  

My guy the Huerter pick isn't why this trade is going to happen. If it happens. Which it won't so why are we even talking about this.

We struck gold with JJ and got led with AJ. I think he can still turn his career around but he can go do that in a rebuilding team that is looking at 2-3 year window to compete. 

49 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Even if we get Drummond, He'd have to break into Quin's Hateful Eight rotation.   We need to be honest about this whole picture.   Just bringing in a player doesn't mean that Snyder is going to play them.   Nor does it mean he will play them in the best circumstance.   For instance, Forrest should have been in the game every time SGA was in the game on Wednesday.   Snyder would never match it up that way.    A guy like Drummond would have to be in the game (a lot) when we played strong rebounding teams like Boston.   Again, Snyder would not set it up that way. 

We need a center not to contribute in our current rotation necessarily but in case of injury. We are one Cap injury away from having zero legit centers on our team. 

12 minutes ago, Mikey said:

We paying Deandre Hunter nearly that matchup and he isn't half as good and not available most of the time...

At best. At very, very best. It's a lateral move. Though not really, Hunter is better than Kuzma, only difference offensively is he doesn't jack as many shots, and rebounds a little less. He is a much superior defender, is on a much more moveable contract, doesn't have an ego, he has 3x the winshares the last two years, is much more efficient, has better defensive metrics across the board.

If we get Kuzma, how many shots is he taking? Who is he taking those shots from. He isn't taking 19 shots that's for damn sure. Is he taking 14? That's 4 shots we take away from Trae, Bogi, Dejaunte. JJ? So how does he help us offensively? Defensively even if he is motivated to play at a high level he isn't a difference maker there either. Ï'd rather trade Hunter for a draft pick.

8 minutes ago, Mikey said:

I mean this just isnt true. Has his defense slid this year sure but that team is tanking very clearly. He played good defense and has won a championship...

Yes, fine he played alright defense 4 years ago and won a bubble championship as the 7th man. Maybe if we got him in that role he would be valueable. Problem is he has 90 million guaranteed and a 26 million annual salary we'd be on the hook for, and then his pouting and trade requests if we ever had him come off the bench.

1 minute ago, Mikey said:

Kuzma really good. Is he a star no but he would help this team a lot + could bring back old friend delon wright

So Kuzma plays zero, and I mean ZERO defense. He takes bad shots, and a lot of them. Furthermore he has ZERO interest in being a role player, he wants to play in teams like Washington where he is a first option so he can maximize his value and invest into his wardrbobe. The last thing the dude cares about is winning a game much less winning a championship. His impact via advanced metrics is pretty catastrophic, he has consistently been one of the least valueable starters in the NBA for quite some time.