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I think Woody will play Speedy more then Acie but you never know, i hope acie gets alot of court time.

thanx man i havnt seen that first one, marv!

Quote: Like I said I never seen the guy except for globetrotter like highlights. His time with the Hawks doesnt even come close to warranting a retired jersey. Maybe if he had won a title here or something. Truthfully while stats dont always tell the tale, his stats leave a liitle debate on whether he should be in the hall of fame or not. I would guess thats why it took 7 years after he retired to get in. I guess injuries cut his career short? Anyway how is he in the top 50 and Nique not, because he is some kind of white hope legend or because they feel sorry that he is dead. shut the [censored] up, you obviously dont know anything about basketball history. maybe its right saying he didnt spend enough time to warrant a retired a jersey. But ur a fool if u think he isnt better then nique and shouldn't be in the top 50. Whats wrong with his stats ? 16th best scorer nba history, 5 career average assist & rebound at SG (while playing injured alot, whiich hurt his total stats) but yeah stats dont really mean that much, he is arguably the most skilled player ever, top 5 at least.

Quote: How about Josh Smith for Noah and Hinrich. We get a starting Center and PG. Bibby could be then moved as well if necessary. Noah at center moves Al to PF. So roster looks something like this. Hinrich/Bibby/La Johnson/Childress/West Marvin/Childress Horford/Jones Noah/Anderson/Zaza Looks pretty deep overall. And the SF position needs some work but that is not a difficult position to fill. We have Marvin to deal for further adjustments. I generally believe 2-1 don't work to well for the team receiving the 2 players, it's almost always best to get the best player instead of the two. But Smooth is going to get a big contract and I have concerns about his consistency. Hawk88 You have concerns about Joshes consistency but not Noahs and Kirks ? but nah man i woudnlt make this deal. Josh is more valuable then these to

Quote: How would that workout for us. Beasley would be a better player then Smith for us no doubt. But would he help us win a title. He plays the same position as Horford. He can shoot it so it gives us 3 three point shooters. Defensively we would be great on the board but we would have no shot blockers. Teams with fast PG's like SAS and NO would rape us. Offensively it would be hell to stop us. Too damn versailte... think Charlotte with Zo, LJ, Bouges, and Gill. I don't know, we would need Marvin to be more of a defensive pesence and defensive minded PG who can guard the fast PG's. It's a strong possiblity, Riley is in love with Smith more then Smoovethefuture and he wants to sign Smith and really doesn't want Beasley with Wade as strongly as we might believe. What do you think about this idea? EDIT: As for shots, that will be hard to value. We would have to trade Bibby but is Acie ready is really the question. The Hawks would need a vet PG(5+), who is smart, and can defend faster PG of the league. He needs to be a good off ball defender as well. No one comes to my mind right now, but that is what we need if we were to make this trade. yeah Pat just really seems keen on Rose and not Beasly from what ive heard. I dont think he'd trade Beasly for Smith tho, if he would do it, id make that deal but im feeling Smith as a all star next season if he can just keep things consistent and mature basketball wise. I dont want smith to leave but having beasly would be great. However that would defently keep Horford at C which we dont want. Id like horford to grow playing C one more year but i think a career at PF would be much more beneficial for the team. I would still make this deal pretty easliy but id rather us trade for a good C (not trading smith)

Quote: He just wasnt here long enough. Ive been a Hawks fan and nba fan since about 1985 and the only jersey worth retiring in that time is Nique. Ive never seen Pete play but just going by how long he was here the answer is no. imo If you start with him then you could open up a can of worms. Why not retire Rasheeds Hawk jersey or even Gary Payton. How about Moses Malone? why sheeds ? are you comparing sheed to maravich ?? malone, 3 out of 21 seasons, is different to 4 out of 10, plus pete did more in atlanta, but sure i wouldn't mind his retired. Gary, ahhh dude you might want to re think that (hes never played a game for atlanta) i think out of his 10 yr career he played, 4 years in atl is enough to warrant a retired jersey imo hawks are aint very good at honoring there legends/great players, some others i think should be retired to. but anyway yeah i guess he does seem more like a jazz player, i think of him as both hawks and jazz i mean his jersey is retired by a franchise he never played for (hornets)

good deal man, id do it. i think it could happen to, cept for the fact that memphis GM is in love with lowery but it could probly still happen

theres a psd template out there so your can make own, probably just fan made

Baron would be so great here but theres no wway of getting him, atm Baron is better then Bibby, they woudnlt sign and trade him for bibby and we dont really give up more deapth, unless its someone like sailm + future draft pick ? i think bibby is a lil underrated on this site id rather just keep him and show us what hes got next season, which i know will be good but does anyone think signing baron for 17 mil and trading him for bibby, salim and future draft pick is good ? or to much ? or to lil ? remember we will have to take on a 17 mil contract over a couple of years most likely with a possible increase every year, which adds on to increases from our other players

Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 1970-71 23 ATL NBA 81 36.1 9.1 19.9 .458 5.0 6.2 .800 3.7 4.4 2.9 23.2 1971-72 24 ATL NBA 66 34.9 7.0 16.3 .427 5.4 6.6 .811 3.9 6.0 3.1 19.3 1972-73 25 ATL NBA 79 39.1 10.0 22.6 .441 6.1 7.7 .800 4.4 6.9 3.1 26.1 1973-74 26 ATL NBA 76 38.2 10.8 23.6 .457 6.2 7.5 .826 1.3 3.6 4.9 5.2 1.5 0.2 3.4 27.7 1970-71 NBA All-Rookie (1st) 1972-73 NBA All-NBA (2nd) 1973 NBA all star 1974 NBA all star Could have won a champoinship in atlanta if the other all stars on the team didnt resent him on the court and if Joe cardwel didnt leave because he was a rookie making he highest amount of money in sports at the time. heres a just atl vid made by onparr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNgi-xKXgzM and heres a career one made by me i think no.44 should be resigned. what do you guys think ?

Quote: Quote: nooooope look at all the winning teams the past two years, Point guards are the big thing right. we just need bibby to stay healthy, he needs to get a lil more motivated to imo anyway Acie is ready to play off the bench, woody imo should have had more confidence in Acie but we cant win a champoinship or make the conference finals with a 2 yr pg running the show theres no way NONE of those PG's u speak of are like Bibby.They run their teams,even Rondo.Bibby is a shooter,that's it.He doesn't manage the game or the tempo and make the right plays.He does dumb stuff u don't expect for a seasoned vet and he can't play a lick of defense or get by anybody,he's also has a huge expiring contract,we HAVE to trade him. Deron wasn't so great his rookie year but he led Utah into the playoffs his 2nd year.Rondo is running Boston right now and I wouldn't call him a top young PG just yet.Acie can easily be better than Rondo.lol he's def. better than Delonte West who looked good because he got MINUTES and a chance to prove himself.Acie was ready to run the team when he was drafted and he showed it and he still is,he'll be even better also.Woody is the dumbazz that corrupted him this year. okkk well woody should have played acie more, along with some other bench players but anyway no way could acie run things better then bibby. hold up bibby cant play defence or get by anyone ? hes not a defensive superstar but that doesnt mean he cant play defence. and its clear bibby can get by people he is shooter could have something to with him not driving that much. bibby runs things just as much as rondo. Bibby needs to stay healthy and get motivated and we be thinking hes back in a kings uni again, thats it. why would we trade him anyway ? we will probably be go over the cap by about 5 mil this year, thats about 9 mil when he expires in cap along with others that expire that year and if hes stll playing good we could re-sign him for less the 14 mil easily and pick up others.

Quote: Quote: nooooope look at all the winning teams the past two years, Point guards are the big thing right. we just need bibby to stay healthy, he needs to get a lil more motivated to imo anyway Acie is ready to play off the bench, woody imo should have had more confidence in Acie but we cant win a champoinship or make the conference finals with a 2 yr pg running the show theres no way You mean like Rondo is doing right now? kinda, 3rd best celtic this playoffs not so much the regualr season. im talking deron, paul, nash, how rose is most likly to go first despite a team already having a good pg ( I no they have gooden + Thomas) and that Beasly is a better player, how every gm/coach wants a PG, how there is not that many great point gaurds out there, how good they are for todays game, how players like rando, jose, alston are making a difference for their team.

nooooope look at all the winning teams the past two years, Point guards are the big thing right. we just need bibby to stay healthy, he needs to get a lil more motivated to imo anyway Acie is ready to play off the bench, woody imo should have had more confidence in Acie but we cant win a champoinship or make the conference finals with a 2 yr pg running the show theres no way

i thought this after the first boston win we had. we killed them from behind the arc id like to see us make a move for Jason K this offseason, i doubt it would happen with cap and all that but he would be nice, he is fast to. suit our offence

I like Marvin but i dont think he would succeed more or our team if he got a bigger role, Marvin's game is pretty much open jumpers i hate to say, i think he needs to attack lot more and become more of a SF that can play inside. right now the only way he should get a bigger role is if he gets TJ fords quickness so he can nail some more open jumpers, maybe work with reggie miller in the offseason. Also to get a bigger role, he should get stronger to play inside a bit and get some better handles, marvin isnt aggressive most of the time, theres been times threw the season, when he gets aggressive and plays awsome but the other time he turns it over. more often then not its a turnover, he needs those handles and that strength, is game isnt the clear either, everybody thats not a hawks fan thinks hes a power forward. basically dont give him a bigger role, make him improve first. with that said he imporves every year, in 2 years i think he will be a very good player.

id really like to have that pick, we could possibly get Love with that but having zach would destroy the team! lol one thing we need is a more a team working together attitude, we woould have to trade bibby or jj along with acie to make the salaries work or cut our deapth down by heaps. so yah like everyone else said, hell no! lol oh and the fact that we would give zach minutes wouldnt be a good idea