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yeah it makes us look better, it would have made us look even better if they could have beat Cleveland on the road, i was hopeing for that. damn celtics.. go lakers!

Thanx for the comments everyone, hawks ftw! @Cwell: yeah soz like i said the orignal video was about 12 minutes but i had to delete a whole lot of footage, unfortantly that clip was one of em @ATLJA316: lolz u noticed, yeah i love dat movie @Libid21: it will be up soon man @Dolfan23: um this is my 4th video using after effects

Stream (go to youtube and watch the HQ version) Download comming soon This mix was originally 12 mintues long with more stuff from after effects but sony vegas(editing program) sucks and cant render properly. anyway im happy with it, cept for the lil problems like the screen size ect, stupid vegas..... watch it loud its better..comments!

Quote: Whoa, whoa whoa! Hold the phone! By no means is Sund walking into a goldmine. Yes, it appears as though the decision to keep both Joshes [especially Smoove] is a no-brainer, so he can't possibly screw that up, can he? And yes, Andersen is coming over, but how will Sund get rid of our $4 million Zaza who appears to be inferior to Andersen? What will Sund do to acquire a legit backup defensive Center? Furthermore, the ASG is easily one of the top 3 dysfunctional ownership groups in the NBA. Hell, depending on what the courts decide, Belkin could take the team over by next year. And whoever said Sund would get to decide on Woodson's fate? From everything we have read, the ASG [especially Gearon] have all but said that Woodson is coming back...period. Too many are assuming that Sund will have the power to let Woodson walk if that is what Sund's true feelings are. No way in hell would I want to come into a job like that. The owners are dysfunctional, there is tons of in-fighting, their once-embraced business partner is suing the hell out of them in an attempt to buy them out, and Sund just inherited Woodson and a fickle fan base to contend with. Sund is walking into a disaster area...and like the Super Dome, FEMA is nowhere to be found. Let's see if Sund can take less than 5 days to bring us that much needed water before we drown in ineptitude, bad decisions, blown draft picks--only to become mired in bad coaching and chronic underachieving. Yes he is, damn this site is blinded by failure of the past and bad ownership, does anybody here think we are a good team ? were a damn good team, whats our biggest problem? its consistency people not Woody or wateva else u believe. geez lay off, well at least were not all homers like most other team forums.

Quote: Are you kidding me...? Woodson's offense is ran through Joe Johnson and he doesn't run plays for Childress, Horford, or Marvin - he has said as much. In fact, when we drafted Horford, Woodson's remarks were that he only wanted him to do "dirty work" (rebound and defend). Had no offensive plan for him and didn't intend to even explore it. Woodson set the bar for Horf at ankle level and it has been there since day one. During the playoffs, VanGundy noted that we didn't even run plays for Josh Smith...though, I think Woody has got one play for him: that backdoor lob with Bibby. It begs the question then, "who is Woody running plays for?" Joe Johnson. The Celtics knew that and had JJ smothered in a zone. On every play, THE ENTIRE BOSTON DEFENSE was pointed at Joe Johnson. They knew where we were going. And when our dump to JJ or our isolation for JJ got hammered play after play, what did we go to? What? Please tell me...because all that I saw was a continuous feed to Joe Johnson. It's all that I've seen out of Woodson all year. Every play is centered on what JJ is going to do. Quote: no matter what coach we get, this site wont leave him alone. apart from Avry Johnson what Coach is better then Woody out there that we could get ? What has Woodson done? We BARELY made the playoffs this year seven games under .500. The East "allowed" us to tap dance into the postseason by so many teams just being mediocre. We couldn't even seal up that lousy last spot getting BLOWN OUT by Indiana in a potential clincher. The Wizards gave us the spot by getting the job done for us. There was no excuse for us not being .500 this year and we shouldn't have been playing Boston in the 1st round. The team has underachieved and Woodson has destroyed confidence. Acie Law went from a fearless cutthroat leader, to a timid cheerleader on our bench. Salim is ruined and is about to be left by the road for someone to pick up. Marvin may have to go to therapy for his fear of shooting a 3 pointer (it is apparent that Woodson want Marvin standing in the same spot every game waiting for a wide open jumper). Josh Smith has the green light to do anything at any time on the court - whether he can do it or not. Woodson has taken this team as far as he can. He is an average AT BEST head coach and there are PLENTY of people that could step in and do an average job. Available guys like Del Harris, Mike Fratello, Jeff VanGundy, Avery Johnson would all coach circles around him. Doug Collins, Scott Skiles, Mike DiAntoni, Rick Adelman, Stan VanGundy, and Rick Carlisle would have as well had we got them when they were available over the past season. This is a joke man. Good teams change GOOD coaches at the drop of a hat. Woodson's record, motivational skills (it was the rookie if you'll remember who got this team up for Game 3), offensive schemes, and overall usage of available talent are absolutely horrible...ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE. Why are we so afraid to bring in a new face? Ridiculous. Since when has an isolation play become just a regular play call ? you said the whole offence is a isolation play for JJ, i said its not. Also i said avalable coaches, i only see one guy there who is avalable and i said he should replace woody if we can but no other coach in the entire NBA that is avalable is better then woody most our plays are for JJ, i didnt say they wernt. But thats most our plays, your exaggerating man, Its not centered around what JJ is doing. You watch, next season we will be well above 500 easily with Woody.

Quote: If the Bulls/Heat didn't suck so bad we would have won we didnt make it past the first round and now we have bandwagon jumpers lol seasons ago we literally had no direction at all, we drafted guys like sheldon, marvin, chilldress , DerMarr in high picks.. traded Gasol as well.. no offence to them but there were better choices, not coaches fault, now we have direction, we know how to run things, woodys knows how to run things, let him do it. i understand how its hard after years of losing but you cant expect a coach to turn things around in our situation.

Quote: For the first time in the Woody era he finally got a PG to run the team and even with Bibby injured we were still a .500 team with Bibby and that's counting the losses our west when we first got him. As I said before it's damn difficult to captain a ship without a rudder. Woody deserves one year with a healthy Bibby running the team and a full offseason of everyone working together. Hopefully Sund makes some solid moves and fills out the roster. If he does that I guarantee at least 45 wins next year WITH WOODY. ^ ... woody deserves to stay

Quote: Quote: ...there are somethings i dont like about woody like isolation plays for JJ and his rotation is horrible. You do realize that this is the entirety of Woodson's offense right? Do you realize that its not no matter what coach we get, this site wont leave him alone. apart from Avry Johnson what Coach is better then Woody out there that we could get ?

Quote: Quote: its actually 50 mil if speedy resigns, cos of cap decreases on players for next season, so if we dont resign josh and josh in the resigning time, we can spend 5 mil on someone and go over the cap to resign both joshes joshes and have the mle and lle. the joshes dont hold any cap at all if we dont resign them. we can get a really good player for 9/8 mil if speedy retires but we dont resign both joshes, we want to sign both joshes after we sign a allstar not resign them like i keep saying lol... so bottom line its possible to get a goood player here, depends on speedy, anyway since yous dont believe me or something lol which player on the mle and lle would use like to sign ? 1. As soon as you renounce a player you lose his Bird Rights... if we don't re-sign the Joshes during the matching period or renounce them they are essentially unrestricted free agents and we can't go over the cap to sign them. In other words we can't sign another FA during the summer and then still use their restricted status to go over the cap. If this were possible there would be no need for a cap hold. 2. Consider our salary right now to be about ~$70M... we also have Salim with a x2 cap hold ($1.6M) that can be renounced and Solo's small contract that can be waived. That means we are over the cap unless we let both Joshes walk, and if both are brought back we'll likely will hit the luxury tax threshold (~$70M coincidentally) without even using the MLE or LLE. 3. I think right now the MLE is earmarked for David Andersen, although it's not certain that he'll come over. I can't think of anyone else who's worth it on the market more than DA, but again the ASG has to be willing to go over the LT. FYI about 13 teams in the NBA in were over the LT last year, and the only decent ones under had stars on rookie/cheap contracts (Howard, CP3, Deron, Calderon). I understand the ASG has been losing money on its franchises each year, so I wouldn't be surprised if we went into next season with the same roster we have now to avoid even more losses.... we can still go over the cap, its like this, day 1 allowed to sign, bucks offer josh smith 300 million a year, day 2 we want emeka, day 4 emeka signs for 7 mil... day 5 we say [censored] you bucks and match josh smith offer of 300 mil, now lets pretend Sunds phone stopped working and we didnt get josh on day 5, day 15 comes along an we didnt sign josh for 300 mil, 16 come along and josh is like "nah i want more then 300 mil, screw the bucks" but cos we diint match bucks offer by day 15 we cant now go over the cap to sign him. Josh Smith was talking about exercising his options in FA, well if by what ur saying if he does that then its impossable to sign him and childress unless he wants a very small amount.

Quote: Quote: its actually 50 mil if speedy resigns, cos of cap decreases on players for next season, so if we dont resign josh and josh in the resigning time, we can spend 5 mil on someone and go over the cap to resign both joshes joshes and have the mle and lle. the joshes dont hold any cap at all if we dont resign them. we can get a really good player for 9/8 mil if speedy retires but we dont resign both joshes, we want to sign both joshes after we sign a allstar not resign them like i keep saying lol... so bottom line its possible to get a goood player here, depends on speedy, anyway since yous dont believe me or something lol which player on the mle and lle would use like to sign ? Are you suggesting that Speedy is going to retire and that will allow him to come off the books for the Hawks at some point this season? nah i stuffed up my first post man coz i didnt include speedys cap when i added it up by accident, now im just saying its possible to do what i said if he leaves. Speedy could leave as i read somewhere he was thinking about it. i want him to stay but i wounlt be disappointed as we could score in FA

its actually 50 mil if speedy resigns, cos of cap decreases on players for next season, so if we dont resign josh and josh in the resigning time, we can spend 5 mil on someone and go over the cap to resign both joshes joshes and have the mle and lle. the joshes dont hold any cap at all if we dont resign them. we can get a really good player for 9/8 mil if speedy retires but we dont resign both joshes, we want to sign both joshes after we sign a allstar not resign them like i keep saying lol... so bottom line its possible to get a goood player here, depends on speedy, anyway since yous dont believe me or something lol which player on the mle and lle would use like to sign ?

Quote: Quote: Max cap is $55,630,000 Currently we are under the cap by $9759782 (no resignings) Bibby $15.2 million JJ 14.2 Speedy 6.3 Marvin 4.5 Zaza 4.0 Horford 4.0 Acie 2.0 Solo .8 That's 51 million for 8 players. Smiths and Childress' cap holds means that we actually have no cap room at all. the only thing we can spend on free agents is the MLE and LLE. Smiths and Childress doesnt count for FA, if we dont resign them.. [censored] my bad i went onto a site that doesnt have speedys cap and added em all up. (well it does but it was differnt colored)... if speedy retires we will be able to do what i said

Max cap is $55,630,000 Currently we are under the cap by $9759782 (no resignings) remember we can go over the max cap when resigning/signing (our players) players and have the ability to match any offer any other the team gives. Technically we could not resign josh smith & chilldress, possibly get a all star free agent (very possibly Okafor) for 8/9 mil, then go over the cap with signing childress and smith in FA, its dangerous doing things like that but it could work. A problem with that would be we would go over the cap by about 15 mil, which is bad, so bibbys expiring would only be good for balancing out the cap next season if we dont resign him, if we do resign him we got the cap problem with increases of cap. however 15 - 20 mil isnt alot becoz most teams are over the cap by about that much but when it comes to resigning acie and horford we have a problem with cap in years to come, unless we balance out contract lengths properly. Also sign a decent Vet on the MLE (mle is 5 mil that has no effect on the future cap cos its a one year deal), and also resgin mario, richardson on the min. id like to resgin Slaim also, we could get him cheap with an increase i think... I would love to do this, other then this, i see the only way we will improve in FA is if we resign chill and smoove not in FA and get a decent player on the MLE and stay just over cap level

i think bibby will be better this season for sure but he wont get 14 mil again, we should resign him but u dont have to worry he wont get resgined for 14mil, no team will sign him for the much. dont trade for kirk, keep bibby, resign him for anything under 10, 8 sounds about right give or take, or collect on cap, let acie run things

Quote: They have a few quotes from Sund at the Orlando pre draft camp on Hawks.com. He says he is looking forward to getting to know the coaches and players so they can build on the sucsess they created in the post season. That to me sounds like EXACTLY what came out of Gearons mouth in the days after the playoffs about Woody staying. WELCOME BACK TO ATLANTA MIKE WOODSON. Sad but true. I know an ajc article says he will have THE say in who the coach is but those comments sound like Gearon wrote them for him. i dont care if this came out of Gearons mouth first, this is a good thing people, i think woody can do it this year, he impressed me with some of the things in start during the playoffs. Coaches get to much pressure put on them to win, i spose every team under 500 shoudl be replaced ? there were streches during the season where we just didnt shoot good at all and gave us losing streaks woody cant improve shooting, coaches that try do that screw dey shot up more, there are somethings i dont like about woody like isolation plays for JJ and his rotation is horrible. This team never ever had a good focus of what we needed to do to win at all, i believe now we do have good focus on how things need to be done on gamenight, unless we can get A.Johnson Woody is the best coach out there for us, stop hatin, he might not even end up as coach, i just hope Sund is allowed to do what he wants to do

Quote: Easy....the ASG will name Nique as the GM then claim that he was their choice all along. hopefully that does happen, cant really see anyone else better

no matter what GM we get, it will still be on the owners running the show. they should just sign no gm, save a couple of bucks and hold opinion polls on hawks.com for trade decisions and draft picks that the owners come up with. or the owners could just stay out of whatever the GM wants to do and let the GM do their full job. anyway i dont care that we dont get grant, happy its not him

Acie would start over him. exaclty acie would start over blake, so were just down grading our PG spot more.

i like this deal, i can see u put effort into it so props for that. I dont think NY would like this trade, cos as soon as u said bad contracts, its a deal NY does not want to do. Knicks have had bad contracts since forever. i dont see why bulls would want zach and id rather keep bibby, havnt worked it out if cap and all that but id try not get kirk and keep bibby. but yeah its a decent trade, id make it if i was GM. i def woudnlt draft McGee, id draft Danilo Gallinari, DeAndre Jordan, Eric Gordon, Chase Budingar, Kevin Love before i think about drafting McGee. i think the first five will be rose, beasly, lopez, bayless and mayo. however i think one of the last three could easliy slip into 6th, now that would be one hell of a pick.

no way man, not worth it at all. blake is overrated and hes not even rated that good, LaFrentz isnt good ethier , those to woudnlt help the hawks at all. so its pretty much a bibby and marvin for Aldridge trade. not worth it man

yeah i agree, i sure hope everygame will be a sell out. is it just me or are alot of "hawks fans" kinda critical of thier own team for wateva reason and not really care. Probly why last season didnt have a huge crowd cos atlantas a big city ? i hope its not like that next season and everybody sees how awsome this team is with a rockin crowd. im sure after the playoffs series there will be a increase for 08/09

cant wait to see him play in the nba, i cant see him having a big impact on the team, im thinking he will be a constant scorer at below 10 a game, about 8 i think and about 6 boards a game..... we will get to see him agasint usa in the olimpics in before the season.. ozzzie ozzzie ozzie! Australia will win it this year

Quote: shut the [censored] up, you obviously dont know anything about basketball history. maybe its right saying he didnt spend enough time to warrant a retired a jersey. But ur a fool if u think he isnt better then nique and shouldn't be in the top 50. Whats wrong with his stats ? 16th best scorer nba history, 5 career average assist & rebound at SG (while playing injured alot, whiich hurt his total stats) but yeah stats dont really mean that much, he is arguably the most skilled player ever, top 5 at least. Quote: Yeah his highlights were flashy. Maybe he could have played for the globetrotters like I said. I did not see him play so I can only go by 2 things #1 what I see stats wise and #2. what has been said. Stats wise are not as good as Nique, flat out not as good. Nique did more and for a longer period of time. Maravich played what looks to be 12 seasons and made the all star team only 5 times, not real impressive JJ should beat that much less Nique who crushes it. He led the league in scoring one time. The things I heard about him are that he was very skilled but played his way. He wasnt real coachable and not exactly anything close to a good teamate. I havent looked it up but I dont think his teams won much. Was he able to carry a team to the playoffs year in and year out like Nique? I mean Nique didnt have any other all stars on his teams. Well maybe Willis made it late in his career once. Anyhow the guys stats arent as good as Niques and I dont think his ability to make a team a winner was as good as Niques either. yeah my bad for flamming a lil bit, good job on not flaming back. (or wateva its called) anyway stat wise pete still beats dom Scoring: Pete Assists: Pete Rebounding: Dom Steals: Pete Blocking: Dom but if your talking totals then Dom should win in everything playing 5 years more, without so many injuries. There were Five years in his career where he didnt play above 70 games that he didnt make the all star team (66,43,49,62,50) and he made the all star team 5 times so yah no, he kiinda has an excuss for not making it more times. Nah that good teammate thing is defently un true well kinda. in atlanta it was the result of how his money affected his teammates. I dont wanna bring colors into it but ya kno for some reason i dont think they would have acted the sameway if pete was black. Which is totally right for his mostly black team to be angry becoz racism was bigger back then and when a 20 yr old white dude gets 3mil over all star black vets, obviously it doesnt look right but i just didnt like how they resented Pete for it but i still think it was becoz he was a rookie more so then colors, also the label "white hope" like ya said hurt pete . Luo said in an interview said it was more so about management of the situation then actrully having something agasint pete. Pete did try to be a good teammate but i heard that sometimes when pete threw a fancy pass they missed it on purpose. luo said he missed one on purpose and the hawks still manged to keep the same record as the previous season without Joe Cardwel. Pete did all he could in atl and if he didnt get paid so much atlanta would have won a champoinship, probably his rookie year. in jazz he was a team player but he was excepted to do it all, he didnt hog it or anything but he centerally shot alot more then everyone else, in celtics he was a team player of the bench. Oh like i said before man, jazz would have made the playoffs if he didnt get injured, he made playoffs in atlanta before things fell apart and in celtics he made playoffs but no his teams didnt have much success. man nique had Doc Rivers, Kevin Willis, Mosses Malone, Dan Roundfield, Mookie Blaylock in his career, along with some good role players. I do think Nique defently should have made the top 50 but not over maravich, i was surprised when he wasn't in the team. (hes going in the top 60 tho, unless they change the list which i dont think they can, he'l still make it anyway)

who do you want to win the nba finals 08 now the hawks are out ? I wanted celtics to win, if we didnt beat them but i dont like this team 08 anymore lol so i was going for hornets but they out so now its LA but i dont care if they win or not.

Quote: Some people either don't follow basketball or are obsessed with hyperboles. A "bust" is someone like the Kandi man or Darko. Marvin Williams may have underachieved in your eyes. He may have dissapointed, but by no means is he a bust. He's a solid rotation player right now. The fact that he's 21 and just completed his 2nd year as a starter makes a "bust" label even more absurd yup what he said