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Not old enough to really remember Nique but Trae All Day

They gotta put the shiver animation in the game

I mean I get the argument with Lillard. BUT Kyrie ?!?! That’s just disrespectful 

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Ranking the Top 22 point guards for the 2021-22 season

#4. Trae Young (Atlanta)

2020-21 stats: 25.3 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 9.4 apg, 2.2 3PTM, 88.6 FT%

Had we been making these rankings at this time last offseason, there’s little chance Trae Young would have finished as high as he did, sitting fourth in our current Top Point Guards list.

But a spectacular 2020-21 campaign has completely shifted public opinion on the former Oklahoma standout, as although his point-per-game average decreased by more than four full points, he improved so much as a decision-maker and table-setter that Young is a much more complete floor general than ever before.

Young undoubtedly proved how scarily effective he can be in the playoffs, too, leading the Hawks all the way to the Eastern Conference Finals in a campaign many thought they’d consider just qualifying for the postseason a success.

Young’s unstoppable floater game, his bombastic three-point prowess and ability to set up shooters and rim-runners was on full display in the 2020-21 playoffs, giving us a strong indication that Young is here to stay for the far foreseeable future as one of the league’s elite at the point-guard spot.

 

3. Kyrie Irving 2. Damian Lillard 1. Steph Curry

NBA Rankings: Top 22 point guards for the 2021-22 season (hoopshype.com)

Kyrie ?!?

27 minutes ago, kg01 said:

A lot of people don't like him because it's perceived that he only has his position because he's Lebron's friend.

Oddly, people that feel that way completely ignore other instances of nepotism and cronyism in the world.

I'll leave it at that to avoid going too political.

Well god damnit I’m going to take it there

We not going to pretend like coaches’ sons don’t get opportunities to coach because they are so and so’s son. 

51 minutes ago, marco102 said:

To me, it seems like a lot here are just assuming Noel is telling the truth. I'd like to see this play out in court before making Rich Paul out to be this terrible agent. 

Not saying Noel isn't telling the truth, but there are a lot of RP is crap in this thread and already assuming he is guilty. 

Because weirdly enough, a lot of people don’t like Rich Paul for some reason and this story just confirms their pre-existing biases.

17 hours ago, hazer said:

That’s an easy over for me, Dawg  

How do I take the over bet ?

Another home run by Travis Schlenk. Dude has got to be executive of the year already 

Another underrated aspect of the JJ draft pick..he’s a body that we might be able to use to slow dow Giannis. He has the physical and athletic profile to not get completely abused.

34 minutes ago, hazer said:

Coop will see plenty of time in College Park. He’ll also see time at #2 PG before the season is over. Where dem Avatar bets?  

Barring injury and FA signing, I think Dunn locks down the backup spot.

Lets revisit later. I’ll take the bet..

Cats like Mays and Goodwin are goners 

Cooper is exactly what this team needs from our backup PG. We need another “engine” when Trae hits the bench. I said this a week or so ago and Schlenk pulled it off…with a 2nd round pick. Literally the best facilitator in the draft…in the 2nd round.

6 minutes ago, sturt said:

All these sports writers thinking we are going to break up our talented roster for nothing is mind blowing. Like sir..you are professional writer. Ain’t no way in hell we let either player just walk. The national media wants us to trade Cam so bad

20 minutes ago, sturt said:

To no one in particular...

For the life of me, I cannot understand any thread like this one still breathing 7 pages in, without any actual oxygen fueling it, but rather mere fan speculation.

But maybe that's just me. Evidently so.

It’s the off season let us have our fun 

4 hours ago, RandomFan said:

Okongwu is our center of the future. Everyone is going to have to come to grips with that eventually. 

I’d rather see him as the PF of the future.

14 minutes ago, marco102 said:

This idea that we should trade just to make a trade is ridiculous. I'm not saying don't trade anyone, but we have time before luxury tax becomes a concern. Why not see how the team does next season and then make trades? 

The TV deal is supposed to at least double in 24-25.  We can keep everyone if the tax line moves way up. 

I’m not saying trade to make a trade. I’m saying James Wiseman has potential to be greater impact player than what we give up to get him.

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

LMAO! Okongwu is better and was better as a prospect.

I think Okongwu is the better basketball player today. Wiseman has the potential to be an overall better player 2-4 years down the line.

41 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

2nd.. 

… 2nd. 

My bad

40 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Okay, lets be real.  Wiseman is better than OO. His ceiling is top 5 center (5 years from now). OO's more of a top 15 ceiling.  Still good, but there is a huge difference in 5 to 15.  Wiseman has size and you can't teach size. He has a solid foundational offensive game. Needs polish but he's very ahead there.

 

Wiseman, if we're giving his value would be Clint + 20 salary filler from GS (they obviously aren't doing this). or OO +20 and a future unprotected 1st.  Wiseman is not...I repeat is not worth Hunter right now....period.  He is not worth Cam based on Cam's unlimited ceiling....yes of every Hawk on the roster right now Cam has the highest ceiling. He has a climb but his natural gifts are higher than anyone else's. Wiseman is worth Huerter and maybe more except for the the x factor as a teammate Huerter brings. He is a calming force, a loved teammate and his ginger lack of a soul makes every opponent nervous. Talent, absolutely you trade him for Wiseman but K'von has intangibles that you either have or you don't and we don't know that about Wiseman (I'm guessing not).

In the modern NBA, having the best big still matters but it is not like it was 20 years ago.  The game is won on the wing and off penetration. Real 2 way wings are hard to come by. We use the phrase 3 and D but how many are really good it. Really, how many?  All 3 of our wings are good at it (if we count post season Cam). They will only get better and that is the bedrock of modern championships.

I was talking to a buddy of mine who is not a Hawks fan. His opinion was that if 1) Hunter is healthy, 2) Cam is healthy starting with Game 1 and 3) Trae doesn't step on a ref's foot....He thinks we win that series in 6 and are NBA champs right now. I agree. If we can add Wiseman without tampering with the core, I say do it. But we either need to bring JC back or find a viable replacement, keep our 3 wings and Trae. That's your core folks...everything else is moveable. Those 5 for the next 6 years are the backbone of a deep playoff run each year. Tinker, don't get greedy.

This is what I’m saying essentially. I wouldn’t move Hunter or Cam, but if we need to move any combination of Clint, JC, Huerter, and/or draft picks that would be a reasonable price. It’s also something I could see GS doing as Clint fills their biggest need. He’s the main draw of the trade.

55 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Go back and read draft material from last year.  Many people were not convinced Wiseman would be the best big selected.

Yes, I like to joke around but I'm no clown with my opinions.

I'm also waiting for someone to explain why a win-now team has been tying to move the guy for the better part of a year.  And why another win-now team wants to pay a premium to acquire him.

He’s always been a high potential prospect no doubt about that.

Because GS already has a formula for winning a championship and only needs a few more pieces to get back that level.

Atlanta could be looking at long term fit taking our conference into consideration that Embiid and Giannis will always be barriers to a finals appearance. A Wiseman and OO front court COULD defensively be the answer more so than JC/Clint or Clint/OO. It would be a risky move, but one if successful could mean a real deal dynasty. I just happen to believe Wiseman will be one of the Top 3-5 bigs in the league a couple of years from now. 

7 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

The latest GSW rumor is for Myles Turner from the Pacers.

I highly doubt JW gets moved for so little. There is absolutely no precedent for a first overall pick being dealt for such little value.

3 hours ago, kg01 said:

Guy's arguably not even better than OO but folks wanna give up a godfather offer for him?

Cmon people.  All this is is folks pining for tanking again.  Get it outta yer system people or go be a Cavs fan.  They got plenty of tank left if you're into that sorta thing.

O rly? 

Y’all really on something

Why on earth, if your assertion is true, would JW be the first overall pick in the draft and OO the sixth ?

Again. Squawkers overvalue our own and undervalue everyone else. 

7 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Huh??? Clint, JC, Huerter, AND 2 1sts for WISEMAN???? 

That's nuts...and we'll also have to take back Wiggins. 

He’s a 1st overall pick. A legit 7 footer that moves like he’s 6’8”. He can impact the floor in both ends. It’s a big gamble on potential but one thing I hate about the Squawk is we overvalue our guys and undervalue everyone else. Wiseman has best big in the league potential.