Jody23

Nice win.  I hope this doesn't turn out to be a Bob Sura special.  On to the next one !!!

And of course Jalen gets hurt right when he was about to check out.  He may not play the next game and doesn't that end his eligibility to win MIP?

Welp...On to the next one !!!

Great effort from beginning to end and, got the win.  On to the next one !!!

13 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

I know you got more to say and WE need to hear it!!!! #OTTNO

You got it lol.  On to the next one !!!

Tough loss.  Nice to see JJ back, but he's got to stop deferring on offense.

I only caught the last few minutes, but it seems they got it together after those poor showings against Brooklyn.  Hopefully JJ asserted himself the way his stat line indicates.  He's got to stop deferring out there.  On to the next one !!!

18 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Quin has really unlocked Dre!

He's really keeping up his consistency from game to game.

It seems so.  He's been more willing as a three point shooter and refrains from trying to do stuff on offense he shouldn't.  Also, bringing him off the bench has done wonders which I think some of us suggested would be best for him earlier on in the season.

The concern with Jalen is he is way too passive.  And the offense still looks too stagnant.  Too much Murray iso.

10 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

You mean that chemistry disaster that lasted TWO seasons with Theus (a hot dog) and the black hole called Malone that lasted three seasons and destroyed any sense of chemistry the Hawks had.  That duo lead to that Hawks 80s team's downfall.  I get why the Hawks management wanted them. Conceivably Theus was supposed to be a upgrade over Randy Wittman and Malone was supposed to be the scorer that Tree Rollins never was. 

Boston Celtics players to this day talk about how Dominique never had help in Atlanta.  Blaylock played I believe half a season with Nique and Augmon never played with him (correction, half a season because it was the year Wilkins tore his Achilles).  Antoine Carr, John Battle, they were scrubs compared to what Bird, Jordan, Magic and Isiah had going on.  Spud.  Get real.  Willis is the only legit debate and even he wasn't on the level of what the Lakers, Celtics, Bulls and Pistons could throw at you.  They were good players but not prime time players.  I remember reading a article where Dominique and Mike Fratello were asked why Fratello leaned on Nique soo much in big moments and it was said that the other players DIDN'T WANT THE BALL in big moments, that they were fine with Nique being the guy.  Thats why that team never got over the hump against the big boys.

You said alot here.  And none of it changes the fact that Dominique did NOT carry those teams by himself.  Nobody was arguing that Dominique had the same support as Bird, Magic, Jordan, Thomas, etc.  He clearly didn't.  The statement was made that Trae somehow has help compared to Dominique having zero which just isn't the case.  It also doesn't change the fact that Trae led a team to the ECF and could have had a chance to win if not for the injury.  I love Nique, but he never led the team that far and yes, he had more help than Trae ever has.

2 hours ago, Hawkmoor said:

Dominique carried the Hawks to FOUR straight 50 wins season by himself with zero help outside of Doc Rivers who wasn't a big time scorer.  He went up against Jordan's Bulls, Bird's Celtics, and Isiah's Pistons.  You think Trae would've beat any of those teams? And Trae HAS HELP compared to Dominique having zero help.  Murray averaging 20 points.  Collins damn near 20 points before Capela phased him out of the offense, then you got guys scoring in the mid to high teens like Hunter, Bogi, etc.   Dominique carried FOUR straight Hawks teams to 50s win by his lonesome in a rugged Eastern Conference.  Any of them players from the 80s would tell you that Nique is a waay better player than Trae.  Its not even a discussion. Heck, Trae ain't even the best shooter on his current team, Bogi and Griffin WAS until he went Mark Jackson. Trae is a better SCORER than those two players but not a better shooter than either one.

 

Strong disagree with the notion Nique didn't have any help.  Over the course of his tenure, he had Moses Malone, Kevin Willis, Tree Rollins, Spud, Theus, Carr (Big Dog), John Battle, Mookie Blaylock, Augmon, and the list goes on.  I'm not saying he had the absolute best, but his supporting casts top ANYTHING Trae has had.

Nevermind.  AHF beat me too it and represented.

With as much available evidence as there is, it was always absurd to suggest the Hawks were better without Trae.  That said, the execution in this game was still atrocious.  Too much iso play on offense and poor execution and awareness defensively.  On to the next one !!!

1 minute ago, KB21 said:

Doubt it.  A veteran player will cost them more money.  They will convince themselves of the idea that having the rookie on a cost-controlled deal for 5 years is better and will keep them out of the tax.  

Nope.  With Quin and Trae, the direction is win now.  Especially since they don't own or control their first round picks for the next three years.  I think they will attach Capela's expiring deal ( will be attractive) to any pick for more immediate help.

3 minutes ago, KB21 said:

For the pro tankers, who are you wanting to tank to get in this draft?  Are you wanting to ensure that the Hawks get someone like Ron Holland, who is talented but probably 3 years away from being a meaningful contributor on a winning team?

I think it may be too late in the season for the Hawks to tank.  It will be tough to be worse than Brooklyn and Toronto, even without Trae.  But, if they did tank and get a pick...I'm pretty sure it gets traded for a veteran player.

Very nice win.  On to the next one !!!

This was a bad loss.  Point blank.  I just don't get a good feeling about how this is playing out.  On to the next one !!!

8 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Quin's short rotations are killing the team. Over the last 5 games (not including tonight), Trae and DJ have logged at least 3 of those games of 36+ minutes hittin a high of 40 and 41, that's not sustainable particularly with a tight schedule. Bogi has also been playing more minutes also.

Quin needs to expand the rotation. He can cut 2 minutes from Trae, DJ and Bogi and give to Kobe, plus 8 of GMat's minutes - that's about 14 mpg for Kobe.

It seems such the obvious thing to do, and yet Quin refuses to allow Kobe to play any meaningful minutes.

Some of these dudes look like they just don't care.

6 hours ago, NBASupes said:

He runs an offense better than Trae who's clearly a PG.

I couldn't possibly disagree more.

10 hours ago, Sothron said:

I have been told if you put a gun to Quin's head he'd rather keep DJ and trade Trae to have Dj back at point but that's the cash cow we're talking about.

I sincerely hope that is just bad information given to you.  Murray is a good player, but a point guard he is not.  No way he actually thinks building around Murray at point guard is a viable option after watching Trae (and Murray at the point guard).  If that is true, the franchise is in more trouble than we think.

9 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Gotta learn to move his feet....geez.

That and to simply pay attention and care on that end of the floor.

Is it me, or whenever Hunter and/or Bogi leads the team in scoring...the Hawks lose?