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1 hour ago, Peoriabird said:

Nope just comparing their impact when on the court vs when they are off

You are aware that John had an on/off this past season per CleaningtheGlass of 0.0 playing on a team with a net rating of +1.5. If you really want to go down this line of reasoning.

14 hours ago, benhillboy said:

Back to Russell.  His net rating was 3 points worse than Taurean Prince’s for the Wolves.  At $31 mil.  Sheesh.  Their whole team performed pretty steadily and solidly though no awful ratings.

He is a career negative in on/off ratings. He is inefficient at everything you want a point guard for too. Not a fan.

6 hours ago, Atlantaholic said:

so this is why we had no interest in paying Sap 6m

But at this point JJ's shot is no where as smooth and sure as trillsap. Hopefully our rooks will get in the gym and work on their shot. So much goodness in those two players from one draft...Schlenk has the eye

12 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Find a trade partner for Gallo. @sturt  

Gallo will be easy to move during season if needed. His contract (with only 5 mill guaranteed in his last season) is not a bad one at this point.

31 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Capela is lucky he won. That mishandled pass from JC with 16 seconds left could have cost us the game. 

John should have elevated to taken that shot. Embiid’s in his head. 

1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Playoffs are about matchups.

The Sixers, once they made the adjustment, have proven to be a horrible matchup for the Hawks.

 

The only weapon we have is our long range shooting.

If you take Embiid out of the paint, maybe that opens up some driving lanes to the basket for Trae.

If Embiid still stays in the paint, you have have Collins or Gallo open for 3s that they MUST TAKE if open.

We haven’t shot the ball good enough to make the Sixers adapt. They are long and physical and have take us way past the 3 pt line. Since they own the paint too, we are one and done on most any possession. Game 2 we got lots of offensive boards and couldn’t convert them to baskets.  Without being able to score inside it just allows them to play tight on the perimeter. 

On 6/7/2021 at 9:06 AM, Atlantaholic said:

He led the nation in points and assists as a freshmen. It's kind of mindboggling how he became underrated, consider Marvin was a consensus top 2 pick the year we drafted him and he barely averaged double figures.

And I believe Trae is the only player in NCAA history to lead in both. I might be wrong, but I remember reading that before the draft.

4 hours ago, JeffS17 said:

Thanks, this is really helpful -- I love stats but I'm pretty bad at finding them, but this matches the eye test

If you need help understanding any of the stats there let me know. Also, we should start a thread with our favorite sources of stats. 

2 hours ago, Diesel said:

Look, Luka has been in the playoffs 2 years in a row and hasn't gotten past the first round.   Luka is a great player.   I think the same can be said about Trae.   They are going to be connected forever but let's not act as though Trae was a bad pickup. 

I am grateful we got Trae! Love to watch him play and create for the team.

2 hours ago, RandomFan said:

As someone who has had a partially torn meniscus, I can assure you there is a high possibility of more damage.  When the torn flap flips up into your ball joint, you have to pop your knee back into place to force it back in down, which hurts like hell. 

And if you aren't careful and it tears more, there could be a time when you think it's just not popping back in so you push it harder, and then partially tear one of your ligaments. Which leaves you with your leg locked at about a 90 degree angle for 6 weeks while you walk around on crutches waiting for the swelling to go down so you can have surgery. 

Don't ask me how I know this.

But my advice to Embiid is to shut it down for the season. Especially someone with his injury history and size. 

Granted, a full meniscal tear hurts. I have not known of a lot of ligament damage from a torn meniscus. If that is a common result from a fully torn meniscus, then I would agree. My point on managing the pain is as long as he can go, let him go. If however there is a 50% chance of ligament damage (which I do not know), then I'd agree. Shut him down. Normally the ligament damage precedes the tearing of the meniscus as the shear force of the femur sliding away from the tibia can shred the meniscus. Again, I am not sure of the opposite occurring. 

3 hours ago, Final_quest said:

Glad someone mentioned this.  He got gimpy towards the end of the game.  If we win Game 2, would they consider shutting him down?  Definitely keeping tabs on his injury.  

I think that as long as he can manage the pain, we will see Embiid. Not a lot more damage can be done...he is going to have meniscal surgery in the off season and then rehab before next season. Not like ligament damage

10 hours ago, bleachkit said:

For his size he is an outstanding rebounder. There is considerable debate about how impactful that is, but I think it's suggests a high level of effort. 

The interesting thing is Trae grabs as many offensive boards as Luka this post season. To me the boards I’ve seen Luka get aren’t often anything more than routine. Watching Kawhi out effort Luka for boards was super clear. It might have been a conditioning thing. Not sure.  

4 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Well maybe Cuban needs a new GM. Porzingus trade has been so-so at best. Trading Curry for Richardson was a bad trade, he was a complete non factor for the Mavs. They thought they were getting Giannis or another mega star, and struck out. I like that TS got didnt sell the farm for a star, instead got solid veterans like Bogi and Capela that filled their roles to a T. 

For sure...TS knew that Trae with extra first rounders, along with other assets he was acquiring was the way to go. I think he also recognized that Trae is a star and will help others become their better selves on the court. He sets the table so well most of the time. Tonight there were some rough patches, but I imagine he is going to be studying film of the last 4 or 5 minutes like crazy tonight and tomorrow. TS has certainly been building the team around the player Trae is and can be. To Trae's credit he is working hard to improve on his weak areas. The coaching change has definitely brought out a different kind of player in Trae.

1 minute ago, Spud2nique said:

I would have done a Herschel Walker grandfather type trade to get the Dallas pick that year as well and keep Luka.

 

Trae and Luka. That would have been unfair.

Grandfather trades usually backfire as it did with Herschel and the Vikings but that’s football and each deal is independent of its own. I would have pulled the trigger to get both Trae and Luka and team them up. I would have traded 3 first round picks and players. You risk about 5 year but if it pans out you have a 10 year championship window if you play your cards right.

All Monday morning QB stuff.

If I had to do it all over I’m still taking Trae and LOOOOVVVVIIING IT!!!!! We got our man. He’s made of that old strong cloth!

His greatest ability is his work-ethic...it will infuse everyone around him. That boy isn't afraid to improve and struggle to improve in season and off season. I hope he keeps humble and hungry! Trae's fortunately been our man since draft night. 

7 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

When he's hitting threes, that's big for us. Teams are so worried about Trae and Bogi, they usually concede JC on the perimeter. 

His corner 3s have been bailing us out on several occasions...Not to mention Red Velvets 3p% increase for these playoffs. He's really impacting games.

22 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Trae's dad is clapping back now that we are in the second round. 

 

 

I feel Ray here. Trae got crapped on because the Hawks had a bad record his first two years. The reality was Trae was our #1 guy last year. Luka has never been carrying his team. The on/off splits have always revealed it. You can check:

• 2020-2021 https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2021.html#pbp::11 
• 2019-2020 https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2020.html#pbp::11
• 2018-2019 https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2019.html#pbp::11

While Trae has been a more efficient scorer and passer each year of his career, Luka has been amassing stats that are impressive, but not making his team better. Even in these playoffs, Trae has pulled down almost the same number of offensive boards as Luka. Trae was snubbed for ROY because he was a great player on one of the worst teams talent wise ever put on an NBA court. So I have no problem saying Trae is better than Luka this year since his team is advancing and Luka's is not. If Luka's not even top-3 on his own team in on/off splits, he shouldn't be held up as the greatest young player. 

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Let's see what Nate can come up with defensively in the second half.

Impressed at the Hawks play on D the second half. Wish they'd made the change earlier on one of those time outs.