nathan2331

I'll never understand how Giannis can barrel straight into a defender, but if they make any contact with him its a foul.

The whole team shot 8-28 (28.6%) from 3 compared to 17-39 (43.6%) for the Jazz. AJ only got 10 minutes. McMillan gotta do the math. On a night where the Jazz were red hot and our defense was not consistently getting stops, we should had as much shooting on the court as possible which means getting Griffin more shots with the bench unit. Justin Holiday should never be taking twice as many shots as him. We played pretty poorly and we still should've beat the Jazz if McMillan would've actually tinkered with the bench lineup. Put the ball in JJs hands more often, keep Trae and Murray on the bench, use Collins at C and play 5 out, we need different ideas with our bench becuase they've underperformed most nights.

I know we're +8 in total rebounds, but we're still letting the Jazz get too many offensive boards. We gotta pick a struggle.

Just now, benhillboy said:

That escalated quickly.  The damn Jazz for real.

Their 3 point shooting will keep them in games they would otherwise be outclassed. They are legit.

14 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

We played like straight booty that half and honestly held it together.

As usual, teams are red-hot from 3 against us, whether contested or open.

Im kind of glad Olynyk made that last 3 pointer, because I need our guys to stay locked in coming out of the half. Utah is not playing THAT much better than us, we just continue to bail them out. But if we buckle down, we can come back and blow the doors off this one. It’s right there

Called it

33 minutes ago, sturt said:

My point remains even still... in terms of what we can know, signing Favors makes all the basketball sense in the world.

I don't think many Hawks fans would be in disagreement that signing Favors makes sense. I'm not against signing Favors. The whole point of my posts were to suggest reasons why the front office hasn't done it. Thank you for the correction about the timeline on Favors becoming a free agent, but I still don't think teams are rushing to sign him. Not because Favors is bad, but teams already have started their seasons with their personnel in place and it'll take time to evaluate what changes they need to make. Favors' agent would know better than I do what's on the table for him though, he can sign anytime and prove me wrong.

While Favors would be a fine signing for our last roster spot, the Hawks may have plans on moves that may make use of the extra roster spot. There's other guys they could be looking to move in a trade and we might get an extra player in return. I'm only coming up with hypothetical reasons why Schlenk or Fields haven't signed Favors or anybody yet.

7 minutes ago, sturt said:

One can just as easily hypothesize that it's not that Schleilds haven't pursued it, but that Favors hasn't signed with anyone because he's holding out for a multi-year deal.

I doubt he's getting a multi-year deal from anyone. The season has started now and he if he's still a free agent that means he's not a priority for anybody. I'm not trying to put Favors down but the reality is that if he didn't get a suitable offer in the summer, no one is throwing multiple years at him now when he isn't part of any long term plans. Favors may be holding out for a team with real playing time which if that's the case, we probably are not an ideal situation for him.

19 minutes ago, sturt said:

If we're talking trade, I just spoke to that... it's as likely to help you as it would be to hurt you to already have Favors on the roster, so that's a zero sum.

If we're talking players being cut.... again again... the history is the history, and until we win a championship, it's hard to make the case that we'd be at the head of any player's list, and that's even if we imagine a scenario where it's someone better than Favors.... which, by the way, if he's that much better than Favors, he's probably looking for something better than 3rd unit minutes, too.

As the season takes shape injuries occur, and teams re-evaluate their positions. The Hawks I'm sure will add a 15th player and it could very well be Favors then. But why do a deal now when Favors or anybody else we could sign aren't getting on the court. If someone gets a long term injury we can move to address it but otherwise the final roster spot is not going to feature for us if we're fully healthy. I know the argument I'm making is completely hypothetical, but the larger point is that the benefit of signing Favors right now is marginal, but if we wait there may be a way to better upgrade the roster.

If we sign Favors now we can't move him. But it's possible that we might be able to do a 1-for-2 or 2-for-3 swap which will be a better addition tha Favors alone. You're absolutely correct we have never been a top destination for free agents, but how many years have we actually been in a position to be considered an attractive destination. If we're at the top of the East in two months, better options than Favors may be willing join us in a ring chasing effort. Favors to me isn't valuable enough for me to not look at other possibilities (but then again like I said I haven't really seen him play). I think these are things the front office is weighing. Favors being on the roster wouldn't be the biggest barrier in the world, but when you factor in our luxury tax avoidance, I think the team will just wait to see how things develop.

1 hour ago, sturt said:

So, you're reminding that, sometimes, a player gets bought out like a Thad Young for instance... and you want to have the roster slot and some room on the salary spreadsheet to accommodate that guy.

Right.

Well, but... first, those Thad Young type vets who get cut routinely bring to the table something similar in terms of resume' and age as what Favors does. So, "better?" Pragmatically? Probably not. The same, maybe. Maybe.

Then, here's my real beef with your assertion, nathan.... and you know I routinely think the world of your insights, but on this occasion, you seem to forget a critical point: That is, history says ATL doesn't win those in-season free agent sweepstakes.

Ever.

Either there's a bigger market a player is attracted to... or there's a better opportunity for minutes that a player is attracted to.

Dilly-dally? Why? Granted, history doesn't accurately predict the future every time, but pragmatically, what purpose is likely to be served by waiting?

You have an ideal player who fits in every way you could ask for a 3rd unit big. He's even got less treadwear on his proverbial tire, given the Al Horford treatment that OKC gave him last season.

Strike while you have opportunity, Schleilds. That's my recommendation. You heard it here first. Or, if you didn't, kudos to whoever beat me to it.

 

You're leaving out the possibility of a trade too. Off the top of my head, I don't know what big could be available for cheap and would be a better fit than Favors but Schlenk may have a shortlist. I haven't watched enough games of Favors recently to have a useful opinion about him, but it's also possible Schlenk doesn't rate him too highly. By season's end I expect that 15th spot to be filled, but it doesn't have to happen now. If there was an injury crisis or our bench was severely underperforming then I think you'd see Schlenk move quickly. But the fact that Favors isn't on any roster tells me he's not a particularly hot commodity. He'll probably have to wait some time until teams start shuffling.

Don't forget, if there is a tankathon this year with teams wanting to shed players for Wembanyama, we may be able to capitalize on a team's firesale potentially. The fact that we don't want to be taxpayers this year may limit our options, but there potentially could be a deal done later that isn't possible/forseeable right now.

1 minute ago, sturt said:

Huh?

Mac, you're normally more on top of things than this.

Jay, you liked? You too, then.

 

No. Covered that....

 

Not opposed to adding Favors, but Schlenk might be waiting to see becomes available via buyouts or trades as we get closer to the trade deadline. We're not facing an injury crisis, so there's no real need to sign a guy now when there may be a better solution in time.

So glad to see the bench finally play some cohesive basketball. Maybe we should rethink having Trae and Murray play all 48 minutes?

2 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Yup. Were you the one that posted it here last year a few times?

It wasn't me, I found out about it from the same posts.

1 hour ago, Dnice said:

I forgot what it's called , but you had the uniforms right in your simulation.   There's supposed to be a jersey matchup laid out for the games. 

I think lockervision.nba.com is the site you're thinking of.

In a game where we're shooting 5-21 from three, I hope McMillan makes the right decision once the bench comes in.

2 minutes ago, terrell said:

Well demand the fkn ball. Trae has taken 14 shots already...They might as well trade JC and and just put a defensive player only(OO) at PF.. smh

I don't see the point. The offense is doing well, he's just not a big part of it this game. If we've got better advantages elsewhere on the court, I don't think we need to force feed Collins. The coach should have plays designed to get Collins involved, but we haven't done that the entire time JC has been a Hawk.

I can't wait for election day just so they stop rolling these garbage ads. I get there's millions of dollars behind these campaigns, but you'd think they could do something better than repetitive attack ads.

1 minute ago, terrell said:

I guess so... But 0 ponints and 1 board for 25 million $?

He can't pass himself the ball. I don't like seeing him underutilized, but the offense is doing fine and he's playing his part. If the coach isn't going to make an emphasis on getting him the ball, there will be more games like this.

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

... I hope so.

 

 

 

I'm kidding.  Want to see how many heads explode upon reading that. 

Well you definitely got me at least.

Are we back to Griffin staying glued on the bench?

Brandon Ingram looks like he just woke up... And he's playing like it too.

1 minute ago, sturt said:

Reddish starting to get some Thibs love... could it be?

 

https://nypost.com/2022/11/05/cam-reddish-sparks-knicks-rally-in-best-outing-of-season/

I'll never undestand how he thought the Knicks would be a better situation than what he had in Atlanta. 

Our defense sometimes... why bother contesting that 3 if you're Capela? We need you to box Giannis out, Collins is already out the play.

Collins only has 2 fouls and we're already in the bonus... Does Hack-a-Giannis become a viable strategy?

1 minute ago, JTB said:

I don’t know about that last part. Giannis isn’t being his typical aggressive self yet . It’s coming as long as this stays close.

He hasn't been aggressive because the helps is there. It's led to other things like Lopez 3s, but Collins is playing his part defensively. If we could start playing defense on Holiday, we'd be in better shape.

Just now, terrell said:

2 points for 125 million $..

Must be nice...

JC has been trash tonight..

No he hasn't. The ball just hasn't come his way. He's not forcing anything and he's part of the reason why Giannis hasn't decimated us.

Giannis is a cartoon character, how'd he do that?