JSmooooove

19 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

We have options. If we get Leonard, we can land a number of players. 

I hate to say it but the Hawks have never brought in a big time free agent. To think LeBron would be the first is wishful thinking, and that's putting it nicely. 

4 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

@KB21 already knows what you just posted...I covered it with him weeks ago...There is something else going on here...Is KB21 a real person or just a computer program designed to keep posters interested in the Hawks?  Never mind, A computer know more.

It must be a bot created by the Mods here to keep all of these threads active. That's the only explanation. LOL

9 minutes ago, KB21 said:

LOL!  LeBron was always going back to Cleveland.  They were bad because he left, not because they gutted the team of capable veterans.  They didn't have capable veterans when he left.  They had stacked the team with his buddies, who all sucked at that point in their careers.  LeBron didn't go to Cleveland because of Kyrie Irving.  They hate each other's guts.  He went back to Cleveland for sentimental reasons and also felt that this gave him another opportunity to build his own team.  

He left in the first place because he didn't have enough help around him to win. Once he left, they were able to acquire top picks. Once they had those assets, Lebron knew he could go back and actually have a chance to win. I know this. You know this. Everyone knows this. 

8 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Ah, the other myth about how those championship teams were built.  "They built their team's completely through the lottery."

No they didn't.  They added their key championship pieces by adding veterans in free agency.  Golden State doesn't win the first without adding Andre Iguodala and Andrew Bogut.  Cleveland doesn't get off the lottery treadmill without LeBron's sentimentality for Cleveland.

LeBron doesn't go back to Cleveland if they weren't on the lottery treadmill in the first place. If they still had Mo Williams and Varejao as their stars instead of tanking for top picks you think Lebron would have went back? LMFAO!!!

6 minutes ago, KB21 said:

It's not a dead horse, because those of you who support this strategy still do not understand how this strategy has completely sunk this franchise onto the lottery treadmill for the next 5 years.  You still think that the Hawks are going to draft a generational talent that is going to change the fortunes of the franchise forever <--- the central thesis in the lie that tanking is a credible long term team building strategy.

SO WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT? USE YOUR TIME MACHINE??? WE GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9 minutes ago, Buzzard said:

The perfect storm. Minny limps in with the 8th seed and Butler gets healthy just in time for Houston. I think that would be a 1st vs 8th seed match-up worth watching.

This is the dream scenario no doubt!! Would love to see a GSW - OKC 2/7 matchup as well. Lots of drama in that potential series. 

Just now, turnermx said:

Denver is a great home team and bad on the road, I feel Minny will take care of business at home the 11th and still make playoffs as long as they handle LA and Dallas

 

 

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Man I sure hope so!! I think Jimmy will be back tonight (fingers crossed). 

Just now, KB21 said:

Like I said in the other thread.  Maybe after 13 years in the lottery we will be in a position to cling to the 8th seed like Minnesota.

Like I said 20 minutes ago, they wouldn't be clinging to anything if their star player didn't get injured. You're so obviously biased it's why nobody is taking your opinions seriously anymore. 

1 minute ago, KB21 said:

Wait.  So, Jimmy Butler, who was drafted with the 30th pick in the draft, is more important to them than their two #1 picks on the roster?  How can that be?

I can just as easily say that Denver would be the #3 seed if Paul Millsap hadn't gotten injured.  The same Paul Millsap who was drafted with the 47th pick in the draft only to become one of the two best power forwards in the game along with Draymond Green (35th pick) during his time with Atlanta.  And I would still take those two players over any other power forward in the NBA today.

Do you know how they acquired the All Star Jimmy Butler? 3 Lottery picks.

Millsap's line last night? 3/12 FGA (25%) 0/3 3PT (0%) 12 pts 7 rbs 2 TO 1 ast. 

If anything he is the reason the T'Wolves were even in the game last night without their All star. 

12 minutes ago, KB21 said:

It's hard to imagine that Minnesota, with all those #1 picks and the great Andrew Wiggins, cannot beat the Denver Nuggets with the lowly Paul Millsap.  I keep getting told that getting the #1 pick and getting a solid player with that pick guarantees you success.  Are we about to see year 14 of the lottery treadmill for the Minnesota Timberwolves, further proving how difficult it is to get off that treadmill even if you land a talent like Karl-Anthony Towns?

If Butler hadn't gotten injured they would be the 3 seed Einstein. 

3 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Call it rooting for Paul Millsap.

So you're a Millsap fan more than you are a Hawks fan - got it. Go to their message board, I think everyone (including you) will be happier. 

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

I think this is where the disconnect lies.   Those teams that tank by cleaning house never get to championship contention.   Those teams that tank by cleaning house is a long term mess job.  It's fools gold and you can't bring up an example to prove your case.  But there are 100s that prove KBs case.  That's where the statement that you're doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same result... failure. 

The owners don't care... They will save money. 

The GM thinks he's right.

The fanbase is being fooled. 

Yeah I can - OKC. 

Read my other post about the history of Atlanta sports and you'll understand why most of us would rather try for something different then stay on the mediocre treadmill.

If your life revolves around Hawks basketball, I can see why you're so upset since these games can't be fun to watch. Personally, I enjoy lots of other things in life and am willing to sacrifice not making the playoffs in order to have a better chance at the championship down the road.

7 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

What???? So Durant should not have played his rookie season???  What are you talking about?

Everyone knows all of the current star players in the NBA sat on the bench their first year or two to learn the game!

25 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Travis Schlenk isn't smart enough to do that.  He's already stated his desire to "build through the draft", and to be "young and fun".  

Either way, whether we use the picks to draft young talent or trade for a veteran - there is nothing you can do to change it. It is what it is. Most of us try to look at the bright side. But keep bitching in every thread, I'm sure if you post about it enough on the internet things will change. 

24 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Yeah.  They acquired veteran players who can help them win now as opposed to drafting an underdeveloped 19 year old that they would have had to wait 5 plus years on before he is ready to contribute to winning basketball games.  

They also didn't completely gut their roster the way Atlanta has done.

You do realize we can use these 1st round picks to trade for a veteran player, right? 

Hint: that's what the Celtics did. 

4 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Different sport that actually has a developmental league where you aren't playing players and paying them to lose.  It still doesn't change the fact that it cheats the game, is against the spirit of competition, and compromises the integrity of the game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005–06_Boston_Celtics_season

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006–07_Boston_Celtics_season

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007–08_Boston_Celtics_season

Wanna know how they won the championship in 08? Losing and acquiring draft picks in order to get top talent. This is basketball, by the way. I can find countless more examples in all sports if you want. 

6 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Oh, it's quite obvious that you don't want a competitive team.  You support losing.  Losing in the short term does not bring you closer to a championship.  Never has.  Never will.  All it does is instill a losing culture and losing mentality in the organization that is very difficult to overcome.  

3 minutes ago, KB21 said:

No, I'm not a participation trophy guy, which is why I don't support tanking.  It doesn't change the fact that sports is about competing to win, not going out there to lose.  That's what the tanking strategy breeds.  It's OK to lose according to the pro tankers.

If losing in the short term gets you closer to championship contention in the long-term, it's worth it. 

Listen, Atlanta sports has had ONE championship EVER. We have experienced countless seasons of being just competitive enough only to get embarrassed when it actually matters. People are tired of seeing it, which is why people don't mind the idea of losing in the short term in order to acquire the talent needed to win BIG. Not just be competitive, nobody in Atlanta wants a "competitive" team.  It's not hard to understand, especially when you consider the history of this city. 

7 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Sports is about competing and doing your best to win, which is not compatible with the deplorable strategy of tanking.

So you're the participation trophy type. Everyone is a winner as long as you compete hard and try your best to win. Well guess what, most people aren't satisfied with that. It's a losers mentality. 

2 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Yeah, the Hawks actually turned away a great run of success they had going because they want to be "young and fun", which only means bad and losing to me.  Young teams don't win in the NBA.  I'd much rather be watching Paul Millsap still on this team, carving opponents up, and carrying this team to the playoffs.  

Your definition of "great run of success" is a lot different then mine. I want to compete for championships, not get swept out of the playoffs by a clearly better team each season with no hope of actually going to the Finals. Sports is about winning championships, and we haven't ever been close. 

1 minute ago, KB21 said:

Yep, which is why I wonder why anyone would support a proven failed strategy like tanking.

You act like we've had years of success that we are turning away from. We've been in contention once in the past 30 years and we got flat out embarrassed that season anyway. Many fans are more excited at the possibility of injecting this team with young talent instead of watching that baby Dwight and Old man Millsap. That's just reality, and there's nothing you can do to change it at this point. You can't turn back time. What do you propose? Let's go protest outside Philips and demand they stop tanking!!!

5 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Yeah, because the Hawks are clearly on a championship path now.

Ever heard of the definition on insanity? Trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results? 

9 hours ago, Diesel said:

It's so interesting to see a realistic proposal be answered by pure fantasy. 

I guess also you can add to that that Jordan and Kobe will come out of retirement and join the Hawks and play as though they have never lost a step and Share the ball and make us better than everybody else.    GTFOH

Clearly the post was not being serious, it was used to prove a point. I just tried to step my game up to be as outlandish as some of the posters on here GUARANTEEING we won't compete for 10 years and other ridiculous crap. 

10 hours ago, Diesel said:

Sorry JSmoove.   The post that was posted had nothing to do with the path that we were ON... Nothing to do with that.  It had everything to do with acknowledging the path that we are on and how long it will take us to get to playoffs and then to championship contention.  It's interesting however to see how so many squawkers are trying to divert back to old arguments.  Probably why there are 150+ pages in this thread. 

 

Don't be dense, it has everything to do with that. Why would we keep doing the same thing we've been doing the past 10 years just to see us barely make the playoffs with an old roster? Were we on a championship path? Hell no. So we had to try something else - which is why we are where we are now.