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REBUILD Phillips Arena......thats the ONLY part i didnt like..........lmao. Move the location of arena to a new area, dont rebuild PHILLIPS, make a new arena.

Good list. my responses: Yes, tree should be top 5. He affected MORE shots than anybody ive ever seen at center because he played at a time when they let them PLAY in the paint. Roundfield, without a doubt, is the best power forward the Atlanta Hawks have ever had. He had a complete game and dominated the defensive end in a way Willis never did. He won defensive player of the year for the Hawks. As much as i disliked his game, Josh Smith has to be top 5, if for his defense only. Shooting guard is about right. I forgot about Bibby, good scoop there. You got some good Honorable mentions also.

Hawks got the best chemistry in the league. The Red and Yellow all day lmao........

EEEEHHH, based on POTENTIAL, Bud has gotten it. I know, Eastern Conference finals carries a LOT of weight, but, if you going on TENURE and knowledge, i would rank it as below. Dont get me wrong, Bud will come out on top, but i cant do it after just two seasons. Fratello has more wins than Hubie, but Hubie is the man........Heck, Fratello coached UNDER Hubie..In fact, to me, Hubie MIGHT be the best coach ever. He can take a bunch of scrubs and MAKE them play elite basketball.......Bud is in the vicinity, just give him more years to prove it... 1. Brown 2. Fratello 3. Wilkins 4. Bud 5. Drew

I say 3 years. Lots of guys gave the Hawks 1 or 2 good years.

lol, cant remember everybody.................you right, smitty above both of them........

all time Hawks. I dont count ANYBODY that played the majority of their time before 1970. It is what it is: center: 1. mutumbo 2. rollins 3. malone 4. horford 5. koncak power forward: 1. roundfield 2. willis 3. rahim 4. sap 5. henderson small forward: 1. wilkins 2. drew 3. harrington 4. smith 5. augmon shooting guard: 1. Hudson 2. j johnson 3. terry 4. korver 5. wittman point guard: 1a. mavarich 1b. mookie 2. rivers 3. teague 4. matthews

Appreciate the comments. Ok, if you look at Mutumbo and Roundfield, two of the GREATEST alltime defenders in NBA history, the Hawks WOULD stand a chance. Dominique was under ranked as a defender because thats not was MIke Fratello wanted him to concentrate on. Nique and Roundfield played together are were a awesome defensive front court. Most people dont know that. I think the Hawks could hang with them. 1979-1980 defensive player of the year, Dan Roundfield:

I disagree. I have NEVER liked the location of the Georgia Dome OR the Omni or Phillips Arena. Has NOTHING to do with " bad people" downtown. ( code word for the ghettos). Has everything to do with the fact that its just too cramped and not conducive to tailgating like it should. The traffic is another issue. The PRIME spot for football, basketball, baseball, etc. was the old General Motors plant. Too late for that now. The Civic Center is a good location. There is prime territory all up and down Georgia 400. I WISH Atlantic Station had room. Bottom line, anywhere but where Phillips is currently located.

First, this is my all time Hawks list. Second, the best TALENT, isnt always the arbritator of who wins. Its how they PLAY TOGETHER. How Shaq and Kareem BOTH gonna play in the starting five? NEITHER has a jump shot. lmao Baylor. Look, i dont count ANYBODY who played back in Baylor's days. The best talent WASNT in the NBA. Thats why i left Petit off my all time Hawks team. I know that will be met with lots of criticizism, but it is what it is.......

You are correct. I HAVE been ragging. Let me put it in perspective though. Ive been ragging because i know the Hawks could have done BETTER this season. The championship was there to take if they had benched Pero and gotten a rebounding big at the trade deadline. So, its not ragging them because i think every move they make is bad, its the NOT making a move to counter the big lineups that teams threw at Horford/Sap. You could see the playoff meltdown coming before the trade deadline because of the Hawks weakness on the boards. The team ALWAYS was about the jumpshot. If they fall, the Hawks would win. If they didnt, combined with the lackluster rebounding, they would lose. It shouldve been addressed before the trade deadline, but Bud sat pat and got burnt against Cleveland in the playoffs.

I thought he was 100 percent in the playoffs. My bad. Good post.

For some reason, Mike Scott went from the best Hawks bench player, to no playing time in the playoffs. For all the good Bud has done, he has done NOTHING with the front court that inspires my confidence in him. From shipping Payne out, to not playing Moose enough, to benching Scott, letting Pero even suit up, lol, much less getting max playing time, and not playing Brand...........

BINGO. While the cavaliers are stacking their chips, the Hawks are in stop gap mode. IM STILL trying to figure out how Cleveland has all this money to spend, and the Hawks dont...........cap or no cap, Cleveland is STACKING CHIPS and might run away with the East this coming season...... AND THATS NOT INCLUDING VAREJAO who is coming back........

ESPN could be wrong. I think it can go either way. I wouldnt be surprised if the Hawks have another successful season, and i wouldnt be surprised if they fell back a little. How Splitter and Hardaway turn out are the unknowns that the Hawks will count a lot on. I wouldve gave the Hawks a B personally for this off season, and thats based on my confidence in Bud's system, but i understand why ESPN gave them what they did. It can go either way.

Next off season will really tell the tell about new ownership. Even though i didnt like this off season, they get a pass because of the cap situation.

Jenkins is another one of those players, that for some reason, didnt mesh with Bud. Maybe he will get more playing time in Dallas..

The ONLY player i cringed more who took jump shots for the Hawks than Bazemore, was Josh Smith. Baze has a good slash game, excellent defender.........but that jump shot...........

Well, seeing as how almost EVERY statement i made about the garbage Pero Antić still being on this squad was met with ANALYTICS on this board, and almost EVERY break down of a player on THIS board is made with ANALYTICS...............I THINK THE INVENTOR OF THE WARP AND SCHOENE SYSTEMS FOR THE NBA IS QUALIFIED TO TELL THE BOARD what the Hawks did this off season: http://www.sonicscentral.com/kevinpelton.html Kevin Pelton joined ESPN Insider as an NBA analyst in January 2013. Along with Tom Haberstroh, he writes the daily "Per Diem" column covering the NBA using advanced statistical analysis. Pelton developed the WARP rating system and SCHOENE projection system for the NBA. Previously, Pelton served as an author for BasketballProspectus.com since the site's inception in 2007 through 2012. Along with Bradford Doolittle, he co-authored four editions of the popular Pro Basketball Prospectus annuals. Pelton's NBA commentary also appeared on Hoopsworld.com, 82games.com, SI.com and in the Wall Street Journal. Pelton co-authored the paper "A Starting Point for Analyzing Basketball Statistics" with Justin Kubatko, Dean Oliver and Dan T. Rosenbaum and contributed to the College Basketball Prospectus series. He also served as a statistical consultant to the Indiana Pacers from 2010-12. Pelton covered the WNBA's Seattle Storm for the team's official site, StormBasketball.com, from 2003-12. He spent four seasons as the beat writer for Supersonics.com. Prior to joining the Sonics & Storm, he founded the fan site SonicsCentral.com. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9797404/explaining-schoene-projection-system http://www.sonicscentral.com/warp.html

http://markbradley.blog.ajc.com/2015/07/21/espns-pelton-gives-the-hawks-offseason-a-flat-c/ ESPN’s Pelton gives the Hawks offseason a flat ‘C’ July 21, 2015 | Filed in: AJC Sports, Atlanta Hawks / NBA. Here’s the list of the Eastern Conference teams that Kevin Pelton ofESPN Insider credits as having had a better offseason than the Atlanta Hawks: Boston, Brooklyn, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Miami, Milwaukee, New York, Orlando, Philadelphia, Toronto and Washington. If you’re counting, that’s 12 teams Pelton grades higher than the Hawks’ “C.” There are 15 teams in the NBA East. Only one — Charlotte — had an offseason Pelton adjudges as worse than the team that finished first in the conference last season. Lest we forget, these latest Hawks’ moves were the work of the new managerial team of Mike Budenholzer and Wes Wilcox. This isn’t to say that the Hawks are apt to finish 14th in the East next season. They’re still a very good team. I’m just not sure they’ll be as good as they were when winning 60 games. (I’ve mentioned as much.) Pelton stipulates that the Hawks couldn’t afford to keep both Paul Millsap and DeMarre Carroll and gives them a pass on losing Carroll. Here’s his assessment of what else they’ve done: I don’t fault the Hawks for not moving money around to pay Carroll the $60 million over four seasons he got from Toronto. (He’s a good player, but he’s not that good.) Trouble is, new ownership has said it’s banking on continuity, and without even the one non-All-Star from the famous starting five, I’m not sure that continuity can be reproduced. Atlanta tried to find the next Carroll by signing (Justin) Holiday, whose skill set is a 3-and-D starter kit. The Hawks used the money they saved to add (Tiago) Splitter, who gives their frontcourt an entirely different look. But trading a first-round pick for (Tim) Hardaway (Jr.), a poor defender whose shooting hasn’t been as good as advertised in the NBA, looks like a bad gamble. It’s weird. The system that made the Hawks as individuals look better than they’d ever looked now must compensate for the loss of a guy who was one of five ideal fits in that system. Maybe there’s another such fit on this roster, and maybe it’s Justin Holiday. But I have my doubts.

Dwight wouldnt have to carry this team. THATS the point. All he has to do is protect the rim and rebound. The added bonus is his offensive presence in the paint, would give Hawks shooters even MORE open looks at the basket.

WAS it a MAX offer? Did Ferry REALLY try and get Dwight?? Im not being sarcastic. I just dont remember Ferry making a SERIOUS effort to get Dwight. Lastly, next year, ESPECIALLY, will tell the tale with the Hawks because they will have cap and they have a reputation now of being winners.

but, but, they dont have the cap space to get a d league team..............lmao