TROUBLEMAN69

Diesel, if Marvin does not play better than Webster I will be disappointed. Like you I have higher expectations for Marvin than Shelden, because I feel it is more difficult for a rookie (regardless of college classification). I also feel that summer league ball is geared towards wing players, because they are the ones with the ball in their hands.

But they wouldn't have to be cut. There are three spots left, not including S. Jones who can be sent down to the NBDL. The mock Laker trade is interesting, because the contracts are expiring and the Hawks receive a first round pick.

Quote: you can only have 12 players on your roster. If I remember correctly, aren't the rosters now 15 players with 3 inactive?

Quote: The contract will be up in three years. I think he would serve his purpose of being a back up defender off the bench. If you wasn't expecting Shaq, I think you would see the logic. I don't think I'm expecting Shaq, but i do expect more for $8 million per year than Foyle can give. I know if the Hawks do the deal they will take a bad contract along with a youngster/pick, but I hope they just say no to Foyle. I would rather deal with the Pacers and get Foster/pick/Harrison. I really don't like Tinsley, but I would rather take that combo over Foyle.

Diesel, no matter how you slice I don't want any parts of that contract, and I hope the Hawks ownership feels the same way. He was horrible when people on this board wanted to sign him as a free agent (playing time was the excuse then), and he is horrible now even with Damipier gone.

Quote: Just don't suggest that on a Warrior's board. Someone will probably try to stab you in heart with a toothpick. As a Bay Area bred, ex Warrior fan I could care less what they think. lol The Warriors were the first team I ever liked, but after years of bad drafts and bad trades I got fed up (as a 10 year old). My Grandmother was one of the first people in my family to get cable tv back in the early 80's, and thanks to Ted Turner I was introduced to Dominique Wilkins. My family moved to Atlanta in 84, and I've been a Hawks fan every since.

I don't want any parts of Foyle and his ridiculous contract. If the Hawks are going to take on salary, I want some kind of production and unfortunately Foyle is not going to give it. I would rather have one of their young bigs, a first round pick, and the Warriors can throw in Murphy to make the salaries match.

Where are these Alan Henderson comparisons coming from? Hendu never averaged more than 7 boards in a season. He was a "weak" defender, meaning he did not have the strength to hold position in the post. He tried, which gave the illusion to some that he was a decent defender. Having Mutombo behind him helped as well. I will go on record saying that unless he suffers a career ending injury, Shelden Williams will be a better player than Al Henderson and Antonio Davis. I wanted Brandon Roy, and I haven't agreed with many of Knight's picks, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. The Hawks need toughness in the paint, and I believe Williams will bring that. I personally do not project him as a starting center, but as a person who will play the 4 besides Zaza with occassional minutes at the 5. Right now I see a team that has a lot of interchangeable positions, except at the 1. Harrington can still be traded for an upgrade at the point, and possibly a pick in next years draft. Give Williams a chance before we pencil him in as the next Keefe, Hendu, Dale Davis, or Koncak.

Depending on his shot attempts per game, why not? He is only averaging 12 pts and 8 boards against the Mavs, but his playoff average is still 19 and 9 while shooting a "decent" 60%. Is Shaq still the same dominant force that he was 3 or 4 years ago? No. But to say that he is "washed up" is borderline insane.

Quote: Shaw's washed up. He needs to realize that he's a role player now or retire. Yeah, what team would want a center who averaged 20 pts and 9 boards for the season? Am I the only person who is seeing the Mavs sending double teams at Shaq nearly everytime he touches the ball?

Quote: The 1991 Falcons were 2 Legit to Quit. went to the playoffs. Were 10-6 in the regular season. I think they won the california trophy that year... But mainly they were Very well attended. It wasn't until 1998 that the Falcons actually put a winner on the field and went to the superbowl. But that dirty bird team didn't have the attendance that Deion's Falcons did. As a person who has had Atlanta Falcon season tickets for a long time, I have to say you are wrong. In case you haven't noticed the Georgia Dome has been sold out for 3 seasons in a row. There is a waiting list for season tickets. All this for a franchise that has yet to record back to back winning seasons. It is true that Jerry Glanville and Deion Sanders brought excitement to the franchise back in 91, but it is not even close to the excitement generated by Vick and Blank.

Yeah, you guys are right about the steroid addition to the drug policy in 91. I still have a problem with congress wasting money on this nonsense. I'm not, and never have been, a huge Bond's fan. I respect his plate discipline, more than I care for the amount of homeruns he hits. My favorite player in the 80's and 90's was Kirby Puckett. Baseball was my favorite sport until the stike season of 94, and not even the McGwire/Sosa battle could rekindle my interest. I enjoyed the WBC more than the World Series, and I would rather spend a Saturday afternoon watching a high school baseball game rather than heading down to the Ted. Now that I no longer play fantasy baseball, I doubt that I watch more than 10 MLB games a season. All this coming from a guy who as a kid would walk around with a radio listening to SF Giant games (i grew up in the Bay Area). I'm not sure what will draw me back to MLB, but this witch hunt is not the answer.

Quote: Who's to say a team won't use their Allan Houston rule privledges to make space to pick up Al. I thought that rule only allowed a team wiggle room to avoid the luxury tax. I don't believe it applies to the Salary Cap.

Good post KB21, which is why I find it strange that we have all the fire Woody posts. The greatest defensive coach in history could not make this a good defensive team, especially with the lack of a big man with defensive skills. Josh Smith is the only shotblocker on the team, but some people seem to want the Hawks to be the Southern Pistons. We may disagree on the Paul/Williams draft choice, but we both seem to understand that this Hawks team is a work in progress. I believe it will be a successful season if the Hawks continue to progress towards at least doubling their win total from last season. The draft and whatever the Hawks get for Al Harrington, along with the improvement of the youngsters, will put this team in a position to be deeper and better next season.

Quote: If Chicago has all that cap space, why can they only offer him 5 mill? And after the Boozer fiasco, I would not expect any player to not do what is in their best interest. This is the real world and Al will do what he thinks is best for him. With that in mind, I do think Al and the Hawks will try and work out a SNT just beacuse of the 10%. I believe he is referring to years not millions. The best thing for Al is a sign and trade. I was against trading Al, but Zaza does not have the shotblocking skills to play next to Al, and we need to find more minutes for Marvin. We are not winning with Al, so I don't see the point in keeping him around.