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13 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:
that quote makes no sense. That's the type of comment you make a week into an injury, not 4 weeks after surgery. It's 100% not relatively soon to assess the situation.
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29 minutes ago, Diesel said:
Been a minute since I've been on RGM... ON RGM.. I'm still Diesel. Not exactly sure who Jamaaliver is... However, if he agrees with me about Siakam... Cool.
he posted the exact same two Haliburton images as you did at nearly the same time.
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@Diesel is Jamaaliver on RGM? I didn't know that lol.
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6 hours ago, Sothron said:
I've been a fan of Edey and watching him beat Mrs. Sothron's school was, um, interesting. She hates all of the Fighting Illini rivals so it was complicated to watch that game, cheer for the Illini and yet still really dig how great Edey is.
I have spent my entire life hating Illinois with immense passion. Mom went there and dad went to DePaul. You can guess who had more influence over me as a sports fan.
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4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:
Offense - Favorable Comparison: Karl Malone,
Just stop already.
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9 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:
Why do people keep saying that Trae is hard to build around.
because he's a tiny guard who dominates the ball, struggles to defend and refuses to move without the ball.
You think that's easy to build around????
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26 minutes ago, AHF said:
Please elaborate. I'm saying Curry, a player who has a much better career than Trae (career to date), didn't win for years in Golden State until he had All-Star level teammates and a stronger roster around him. I'm not predicting that Trae wins a bunch of rings like the Warriors but the idea that with better teammates Trae can't be on a team that is a winner (which does not mean champion) is ridiculous to me.
Jordan is the greatest player in the history of the NBA and he didn't win an NBA playoff series until he had Scottie Pippen, Charles Oakley, and Horace Grant on the roster. Do we have anyone with All-Star / All-NBA talent like that on the current roster? You tell me.
Nobody does it alone in the NBA. But I'm not making the argument that Trae will win a million titles like these guys or that he is at their level. Instead, you are saying he will never win. I'm saying that even the greatest players didn't win until they had better teammates.
elaboration:
- Trae is extremely difficult to build around, probably the hardest franchise player to build around in the entire league
- ATL has arguably the worst ownership and FO in the NBA
-the ECF gave people the false belief that the combo above can build a contender
-people keep referring back to that ECF run as evidence that it can work with this group rather than focus on everything that has happened since
-people don't want to rebuild because they point to the ECF as "proof" that it can work and we just need a few other pieces, completely ignoring the more recent evidence.
Conclusion: The ECF was the worst thing that ever happened to this team and has quite possibly set the franchise back a decade.
question: without that ECF run do we have DJM on the roster? No. We still have all our draft picks. Yes. Are we in a much better position to make moves around Trae if we don't make that ECF run? Yes
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32 minutes ago, AHF said:
Nope. The team can win with Trae if the FO holds up their end of the deal and the owner his. The ECF was the only season where we had a nice depth of talent and we won that season mostly without our two lottery wings. Since then, it has been a rough go of it for the FO. Just because Trae is still waiting to play with someone who is an All-Star in Atlanta doesn't mean the team can't win with him.
This is what I'm talking about. Keep drinking the Kool-aid.
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19 minutes ago, Sothron said:
Did you miss the next part of my post you left out that completely counters what you just posted?
I think the general feeling among all of us here is the ECF run was the worst thing that could happen because it locked us into this core and Ressler being cheap af meant no growth beyond it.
I was only addressing the part of the post where you said this team can win with Trae. It's that belief that has led to the disaster we now have and the continued hesitancy to blow it all up. That is all the result of the fluke ECF run.
52 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:I do not trust this FO to pull off an OKC rebuild that most franchises have completely floundered trying to do. Presti's tank and rebuild is a huge anomaly, not the norm.
unfortunately you hit the nail on the head. This franchise might just be completely screwed till they get a new owner.
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1 hour ago, JeffS17 said:
I don't disagree with this as a viable approach but betting on an, at best, 14% chance at the #1 pick is quite silly. Hoping to hit in the lottery is a strategy that can leave you looking like the Pistons for years. I'd rather just focus on creating/maintaining a winning culture, player development, and savvy trades. So far, this FO has done well post-DJ trade. This offseason will be a big test though.
The % chance of this team building a contender around Trae is lower than 14% IMO.
And even if you don't sag enough to tag Flagg there are still other great prospects at the top of that draft. And you are in place to do it again in 2026. Time for an OKC type of rebuild.
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1 hour ago, Sothron said:
I agree with all of this except the last part. We were a healthy Trae away from going to the Finals and winning it. Two wins away actually.
turns out, that fluke playoff run was the absolute worst thing that could've happened this team.
The fact that you're bringing it up as a reason to hesitate in blowing this team up shows that the damage done by that ECF run is still happening.
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If Hawks were smart (whcih they aren't) and had long term vision (which they don't) they would pounce on this trade to SAS and unload Trae to them, get back all their picks + 1-2 more FRPs or assets. Then unload DJM for 1-2 FRP. Then unload Hunter, OO, Bogi and anyone else who can net a draft pick. Hang onto JJ nad no one else.
Put together the worst team in the league next year and go full in the bag for Flagg.
As great as Trae is he's too hard to build around for the Hawks owners and FO. Way above their skill level and means. Only a great franchise and FO could make it work arond Trae and this team has neither.
Time to accept that and move on to the next rendition. Best way to do that is total tank. Not some half ass tank.
Face it, THIS TEAM WILL NEVER WIN WITH TRAE. The sooner the team accepts that (as in must be accepted this off season) the greater chance they have of finally turning this mediocrity standard bearer around.
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24 minutes ago, AHF said:
SGA is #3 in the league in FTA per game. Trae is #4 in the league in FTA per game. Pretending like one gets all the calls and the other doesn't get calls is almost deliberately disingenuous. Both are top 5 in the league in drawing foul calls and getting free throws out of it.
SGA seeks fouls a lot less than Trae. SGA also moves the ball more. Yet still gets more calls. Trae gets far less calls based on amount of times he seeks contact.
Also, Trae gets far less and ones from refs than SGA or anyone for that matter. Gee,wonder why that is?
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9 hours ago, RedDawg#8 said:
A foul is a foul. Should not matter the name of the player. Continuation should be the same for every player, especially in the same game with the same refs.
Disagree whole heartedly with this. Elite players deserve a more favorable whistle than scrubs. Elite players are the ones getting hacked up and down the court and need to be protected. Elite players are the ones who have the ball in their hands most of the game and invite the most attention.
NBA isn't communist San Francisco, the bums don't get to eat at the same restaurants as the rich people in the NBA.
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13 minutes ago, kg01 said:
Say this again for the sheeple in the back that believe Trae is the bane of the existence of the league.
And I'll toss another log in the fire. How folks feelin about SGA, who lives on a steady diet of sawft whistles?
SGA never complains and also goes out of his way to have positive interactions with refs = gets calls
Trae has whined his way through his entire 6 year career = doesn't get calls
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4 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:
Trae doesn't get calls because he acts like an Alpha on the court. Dre doesn't get calls because he acts like a beta on the court. Sounds like you don't know how you want the players to act. Of course, it wouldn't matter if the refs would just call a foul a foul instead of, as you are suggesting, having to have the players act a certain kind of way to get rewarded with a foul call.
naw, Hunter doesn't get calls cause he's a below average NBA player. refs don't protect bums like that.
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1 hour ago, RedDawg#8 said:
SGA gets a much more favorable whistle. You can barely touch him. Trae only became an Ahole to the refs when they started swallowing the whistle. Doesn’t make it right, but I guarantee SGA would be pretty frustrated too if he got the same treatment.
good job completely missing the point while at the same time completely proving my point. That's hard to do.
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2 hours ago, macdaddy said:
So explain why Hunter gets such bad calls. Before this year he almost never complained. He's doing it a little more but still probably the most quiet guy on the floor and still gets horrendous fouls called against him.
Hunter doesn't get calls cause he acts like a beta so refs refuse to acknowledge him.
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of course the refs don't like Trae. Have you seen the way he acts out there? Go watch some OKC games and watch how SGA acts in contrast. It's night and day.
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32 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:
Appears to be the case, yes.
shortest tribute video in the history of tribute videos. It's gonna be several angles of the dunk on Embiid and then several angles of the mangled finger. Roll credits.
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yes, please do! Free us from this prison!
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35 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:
Wrong.
behind me.
I don’t believe you.
I got receipts mofo! Actually I don't, but I got an origin story:
It all started all of 1988 when I was a young freshman at Oklahoma University. Got season tickets to the football in the student section. Went to the first game all fired up and it was boring as hell. Fans were way too into the game and not having fun. I went back to my dorm and turned on the TV and the only thing on was Oklahoma State's game. Watched it and Barry had his first start at RB (now that Thurman Thomas had graduated) and rushed for over 200 yards. It was love at first sight. I immediately swore off my own school, gave away my tickets and every saturday I would stay in teh dorm and watch Barry.
Decided that whatever team drafted him would be my team. Couldn't watch his games when I was at college so my parents would tape them all for me on VHS tapes and send them to me or i would watch them when I got home for break. My parents had one of those massive satellite dishes so they got all the games.
So there ya have it. Never missed a game in his entire career starting his junior year.
The shitty part is I only saw him live once. When he came to play the bears I went to the game, great seats on the 50. And then Barry had such a bad game that he later said that game was the game where he decided he didn't want to play anymore
Used to get in arguments all the time with people who said Emmit was better. You won't find any of those people nowadays, they'll all deny it or they are dead like John Madden, but back then it was about 60/40 in terms of people supporting Emmit vs Barry.
39 minutes ago, AHF said:We are starting to branch away from what we've been discussing which is the player's actual fault. On that you and I are aligned that it wasn't his fault and he shouldn't be blamed.
On his legacy, I think it depends on the conversation. I still see a lot of respect for his legacy. Here are few:
#2 All-Time (behind Jim Brown)
#2 All-Time (behind Jim Brown)
NFL Running Back Greats: The Top 30 in History Ranked (msn.com)
#3 All-Time (behind Brown and Walter Payton)
The 50 greatest NFL running backs of all time | Yardbarker
#3 All-Time (behind Brown and Payton)
25 greatest NFL running backs of all time, ranked (clutchpoints.com)
#1 All-Time
Top 11 running backs of all time from Barry Sanders to O.J. Simpson (profootballnetwork.com)
I just see him as commonly acknowledged among the very best running backs ever to play the sport. I am sure there are some people who rank him lower (these were first lists to come up on my search) but it seems very common to have him among the very best despite his team not having won nearly as much as many of the others in that range.
you are right in the sense that football is ALOT different than basketball in terms of legacies being tied to team results.
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1 hour ago, AHF said:
But the reality is that Barry Sanders was not culpable for the Lion's failures. The culpability falls on the front office. And trust me that Detroit fans have no illusions about that. They all know who was responsible for Sanders never having success. (Pinging @Spud2nique as the resident Lion's fan here who can correct me if I'm wrong.)
Sanders is a great example of why the word culpability does not apply regardless of whether some casual NFL fans discount Sanders' greatness because he never won a ring.
we don't need Spud. No one on the face of this Earth was a bigger Barry fan than me. Saw every game he ever played starting with his first game of his junior year of college.
You are right and wrong. You are right that it's not Barry's fault the GM and owner sucked so much. But you are wrong that people won't hold it against him when talking about his legacy. He gets knocked for never winning and no one puts an asterisk next to their remarks to comment about the inept front office.
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1 minute ago, Final_quest said:
You seem like you are trying to deliberately frame this very differently from anything I said. A actual reputable news outlet stated my perspective nearly word for word. So that’s as good as it’s gonna get.
At the end of the day Trae has the most at stake when it comes to team success. The world will remember this as the Trae Young era, not the Schlenk, Landry, or Ressler era. He should push the GM and owner. All the stars deserve a place at the table with their team and they should use their influence to bring in the best players they can. A short contract isn’t the only way they have leverage and influence.You are 100% right. When people look back at Barry Sanders’ career they say he never won anything and barely ever got to the playoffs. No one ever points out the astronomical failures of the GM and owners of the Lions who failed at every turn to put a good team around him. No one remembered that Barry was the ultimate soldier and never complained and just kept his head down and did his job. They remember that HE didn’t win.
The same will happen to Trae. Therefore it’s 100% on a superstar to take the reins and do what he can to make sure his team is doing what needs a to be done.
I've been watching the 2024 NBA Draft class and it's been... weaker than usual
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If Cody Williams falls to the Hawks that would be a massive steal. That said, he is VERY raw compared to his brother, but also keep in mind that his brother stayed 3 years in college before coming out and CDub is just a freshman. Also dealt with a couple nagging injuries this year.