akay

Another 15 min? Im gonna be sick

2 minutes ago, JTB said:

I want to know why on earth Trae wouldn’t want to play with Ayton! …does Trae not see Ayton as a good player?

insiders whats the deal? @Sothron @NBASupes @thecampster

 

just for record IF Trae is so against bringing Ayton in for Capela then I don’t blame the hawks FO for standing down and not pursuing Ayton. I’m just confused from Traes point of view on why he’d rather have Capela.

Trae wanting to play with Capela doesn't mean he doesn't want to play with Ayton. Trae prolly just has a good relationship with Capela and didn't want to hear he was %100 gone.

I think this trade works well for everyone

41 minutes ago, sturt said:

T-minus 200-ish minutes on that Gallo guarantee.

Let's all nap and wake up to some happy news

38 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

Welp, I'm wore out waiting on Murray coming to the Hawks.  Moving on. Its taken waay too much of my attention.

See you in 200 min

19 minutes ago, yungsta said:

The more I look into Dejounte Murray, the more I'm not liking the fit with Trae especially for the Spurs' asking price. The desire for Murray seems more like a desperation move to get something done than a move that can take this team to a championship caliber level.

6'4 180, not a great shooter with a below average TS%, and not a true SG.

These are the concerns that I have for Murray.

• How much value will he bring to the team over someone like Delon Wright when 80% of the time, the ball will be in Trae's hands?
• Can he actually guard the big guards of the east (Harden, Jaylen Brown, Jimmy Butler, Demar Derozan, Kris MIddleton etc..) in a full 7 games series?
• Both Murray and Trae will need to change their games drastically for the offensive fit to work. Are you willing to take a huge bet that will happen?

 

You're making some assumptions here, regardless of his height and weight, Murray was taking on the tough defense assignments nightly, and his best defense is point of attack which happens to be how Trae gets abused on offense a lot.

His shooting is horrendous, but probably exacerbated by the fact that he was the only option on the Spurs last year. https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1627749/shots-dash If you looks at his stats, when he's open and just catching and shooting, he's hitting at a %38-39 clip, which is more than respectable considering that's a big part of what he'll be doing on offense.

On offense, he'll also be taking the ball away from Trae, allowing Trae to play offball (which Ray says Trae has done his whole until college/nba) where he's in the 97-98 percentile on catch and shoot opportunities.

The offense with Murray would be insanely exciting since we'd finally have 2 elite ball handlers and playmakers, everyone else on the team should eat. 

To add on to that, there is NO other SG in the league who is as impactful on defense as he is, that still has the offensive chops that he's got. 

Picking on his shooting % and size ignores the context of his game and how he would fit in. Thinking he's just a more expensive Delon Wright is just............ disrespectful lol. The man has already made an All defensive team and has shown to take pride on that side of the floor unlike anyone not named Capela on our team. 

Getting Murray means we have drastically raised our floor and are in the playoffs every year, alongside Trae Young who is one of the best ceiling raisers in the game. 

If we have a chance to start the season with the best backcourt in the league, then we should definitely do what it takes.  

21 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Damn you just comin in here reppin the Hawks and being loved by the public and a member of the Bay now….

Is this where I’m supposed to pass the torch?  

Who says there only needs to be one torch  

1 minute ago, Spud2nique said:

we are getting together for a scrubs game! That’s a forgone conclusion no doubt.

What's this scrubs game? Dishwashing competition, or Squawk pickup game? Either way I'm down, bay area weather got me loving outside. 

Feel bad for all my GA fam, weather seems crazy lol 

Just now, NBASupes said:

They don't want JC. They want Clint.

Yeah I know, I just don't wanna give up Clint if it's for a max Ayton, was saying I'd do JC for Ayton straight up if they were on the same $25 mil 

Does anyone know when Gallos contract has to have a decision made by? Is it 5pm est? 

2 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

How huge? (Of a fan)

People really don't like it when I blow on them as they walk by, but me, I'm a big fan...

5 minutes ago, Kobie Drew said:

Thank y’all for the welcome. I ain’t even gonna lie I’ve been lurking these chats for the past month or so. I’m just a huge hawks fan who found the right page. That being said I like capela but would easily rather have ayton. But I’ve been having to ask myself a tough question and maybe you guys can chime in and help. But how much of an upgrade is ayton really? And what all besides CC would you be willing to give up for him? 

Ayton is a huge upgrade offensively, downgrade defensively, upgrade availability.

Overall though, our offense is really good already outside of secondary shot creation, Ayton isn't worth the farm or the max he wants. At least not for our team, we need some hard nosed defense, and Clint can provide.

It's a hard choice, but I think I'd perhaps to JC for Ayton in a swap if contracts were the same, but Clint for near max Ayton? Nah 

10 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Update

@Sothron you are that guy. Hearing that Atlanta and Ayton talks are back again. PHX has engaged Atlanta. The issue is Trae wants Capela but we will see. But Phoenix has engaged in talks with Atlanta. Right now, the market for Ayton is described as tepid. PHX doesn't really want him back and other teams aren't willing to give their best offers. Toronto isn't interested in moving OG at all but GTJ is available for Gobert or Ayton. PHX made it clear to Atlanta, they want Capela but like I said, Trae is fighting to keep Clint. 

Sounds like Ayton is an option no matter what, so I could see us trading Capela for him so that we can achieve Resslers getting better mandate, but damn I'd be sad to see Clint go to get a max center.

Trade the 3 trash picks and 2 pick swaps and get Murray. We can always buy second rounders and rely on our good scouting for cheap talent if we need bodies so bad.

Murray IS a game changer, and worries about his regression don't make sense. He won't be the first option this time, and he can just focus on spot up shooting, driving, playmaking, rebounding, and defense instead of trying to take his awful jumpers.

Also, idk who said cam could be a starter on an nba team, but that's just pure fantasy land. Man couldn't even find minutes on the Knicks lol. Cam has the potential to be a starter, but saying he's there right now, no.

I wish we could get Gallo back after cutting him, mans can barely move, but he can shoot the hell out of the ball and help settle the game when momentum is getting out of control.

We don't really have another guy that'll just slow the game down to their pace and make a move, but perhaps Ayton can do that? 

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

If it's the end of the week we missed the start of Free Agency.  lol

Thursday at 6:00PM is when all hell will break loose.

It's end of the week somewhere on Thursday 

With Ressler having mandated TS to get better, I think we end up paying a ransom despite the price. Hopefully it's just Danilo + picks.

You can always acquire more draft picks, can't always find a young all star available on a cheap contract that has good fit.

Bet we see something happen by end of the week

2 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

Hey guys I need to mention that we are being watched and we need to make sure we only post accurate information from now on…

Naww….  HAWKS NBA CHAMPS 2023!!!!!

Who's watching, and duh. We got Murray, KD, and Ayton coming through. Impossible to beat 

5 minutes ago, kg01 said:

We'll I've now heard the same as Zach and Jake.  Am I now an insider?

Man these dudes are clowns. 

Bless these clowns for giving us offseason content. Though our insider "circus ;)" has been circulating all this for weeks, shout out to them 

4 team trade would be wild, how often they actually get completed? Seems to be rare, and if Ressler is driving TS to make positive changes without giving too much up, good for him.

KD + Murray to Hawks? We're winning a chip in the next 2 years if tru

Would a trade for Murray have to happen before or after our decision to cut Gallo? Or does it not matter?