20 minutes ago, Dragitoff said:

Would we take Okoro back in a S&T for Hunter?  I think Hunter's offensive game is better than Okoro but if Okoro can guard quicker guards better than Hunter, it's a conversation to be had in my opinion. 

Do you think Okoro would be cheaper?  If so, I might be up for this.

3 hours ago, AHF said:

We did tank the playoff game.  No Vit = massive hole on the roster.  The front office wanted us to lose that game and get in the mix for a lottery pick.  It paid off.  Now we need to capitalize on that pick.

The fact that this statement is true is very sad.

9 hours ago, Jody23 said:

Oh, boy.

Someone has been reading the Squawk to get their “chatter”.

18 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

One thing holding us back

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Messy Ressy....don't trust him to really invest in the team

 

I am sticking with this until he proves me wrong

I am way late in replying to this question. 
 

Sadly, my answer is No for now.  I need Tony to open up that pocket book or at least get a new mattress to sleep on that is not stuffed full of money.

I was shocked and surprised to find a picture of Tony.  I didn’t know he used a pseudonym.

8 minutes ago, AHF said:

You can look at how much athletes make in leagues where the earnings for an individual player aren't capped like MLB.  In general, teams keep bidding up until eventually only one team is willing to pay (or no team is willing to go $1 higher).  So you end up with a weird deal where Ohtani makes $70M per year or Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander making over $43M per year, etc.  

Individual players make a much bigger difference in the NBA than in MLB (see the Angels record with Trout and Ohtani) so you would expect that to push even more money into the stars' wallets.  I could easily see a team giving LeBron 50% of their cap, for example, and thre would be no team like the James, Wade, Bosh trio or the Steph, Durant, Klay, Green group where they barely sacrificed any money to all play together.  Those guys would have to forego truly MASSIVE amounts of money to be on the same roster because if teams could pay more than the max salary for some of those guys they wouldn't just pay a little more they would pay a LOT more.  And that would leave significantly less money for guys like John Collins or Fred Van Vleet, etc.

Rookie contracts work the same way and lower caps for players on their first new contracts, etc.  By capping those salaries it means more money for veterans.

The capped salaries all mean essentially a big slush fund to put more money into the contracts of everyone who isn't maxing out their salary.

I recall you talking about a salary cap with no max contracts in the past and how it would change team building.  Unless they gave a lot of money under the table or through other “partnerships” to the stars, sit would certainly change the way we construct rosters.  And this definitely highlights the importance of good drafting and developing new players (which we have never been too great at as a whole).

34 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

It is awesome what Joe is doing. So many players do stupid AF podcasts when Joe is out here running a legit real business. Hope he succeeds long term and opens a franchise.

I really loved me some Joe.  Game six with the crossover is still one of my favorite moments as a Hawks fan.

18 minutes ago, AHF said:

Yeah.  The stars are the face of the game.  They drive ratings.  They are the engines for championships.  Their pay is capped making them some of the best contracts in the game.  They have leverage in dealing with teams and are the primary ones who do what would otherwise be tampering with players.  Much of the game revolves around them and both the NBAPA and the owners put more focus on them than any other group of players.

The capped pay, however, is a big concession from the stars.  It drives pay for the "middle class" players in a big way and it does it at the expense of the stars (while not a hard cap the tax aprons function close enough to caps that I think you can view payrolls as something of a zero sum game where if you gave more money to the stars it would mean less money for the rest of the players and if you removed the cap pay for the biggest stars they would absolutely get more and in some cases dramatically more while the rest of the players in the league are either paid what the market bears for them or actually paid more than the market would command for some minimum salary players).

This is an interesting take.  I am not strong enough in economics to gauge the worth of the 0.001% as compared to the 1% in regards to the elite in a field.

5 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

Cavs offseason looking like turmoil.. even more so than an average Hawks offseason and thats bad

We Hawks fans can empathize.

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

Eta. Ok, I responded before watching the video.  I (begrudgingly) watched but found that it drastically changes what I think.

Having seen his poingnet, heart-felt plea ... I must say ....  f*ck him.  F*ck that fake a**, contrition now that his a** is going to jail.  "I've gone through depression ... divorce... blah, blah, blah .."

Know who else goes through all those things?  Literally all humans.  But most humans don't have an association... that has help readily available to you at their fingertips.  And who constantly makes it known that they have help readily available to you.

They can't freaking babysit you.  You gotta be an adult enough to seek help.  Yeah they knew he was going through legal difficulties but, duh, they could have also been embroiled in it.  Sucks but he made the choice to defraud an institute that's basically connected to the NBPA.  Dafuq did he think they were gonna do?

Sorry for the rant.  I have empathy for him.  But miss me with all the victim-making of himself.  

And I do agree @Jdawgflow, the NBPA caters to stars.  But, considering there's only about 15-20 "stars", that's on the NBA players for not voting and steering the NBPA to cater to the many instead of the some.  Like, why would Chris Paul be in NBPA leadership when they know good and well he's only looking out for himself and other big name players? 

I wish you hadn’t held back your feelings on this KG.  I was hoping you would be a bit more forthright.  

He has no sympathy from me for his choices.  He is, and was, wrong for all the stupid and illegal stuff his saying and did.…..

except noting the NBA caters to stars.

broken clock and all that.  

2 hours ago, AHF said:

Except I would say it is more the responsibility of the player’s union than management.  That is literally what the Union is there for.

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

I mean, was he gonna live a life of crime had he not won the DNA lottery and been an NBA-caliber player?

He had all the resources available to him to educate and prepare himself .... the way literally everyone else has to.

Could 'they' have done more to help?  Probably.  Do they bear blame for his situation?  Nah, sun.

(The "Nah, sun" is directed at him not you, jdf.) 

I agree with both of you that we all have to make our own choices.  And he definitely made poor ones.  And he has no one to blame but himself.  He needs to take accountability in order to truly make a positive change in his own life.  This is something I try to instill in my kids and when I am teaching other kids.  This matters in sports, work, and daily interactions.
 

The part that I feel he has right is the NBA and NBAPA do cater to the star players.

8 hours ago, JeffS17 said:

Pat Riley? What? JJ is a soft Duke boy, would love to know who the source of that quote is lmao

His agent.

1 hour ago, Spud2nique said:

I just wanna let y’all know that I’ve ungrown a quarter of a centimeter from last year…

I SHRUNK! HONEY I SHRUNK MYSELF! 
 

 

 
 

 

ps GET OFF MY LAWN!!!! 
 

pps I love dogs to death but if they poo on my lawn and I see it, I’m rubbin ya nose in your dog’s biz prolly make ya lick it too.

#oldmanprolems

This wouldn’t happen to be in a culdesac per chance?

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Lmao. I can't lie. He even goes all out like Mason does. It was a pretty spot on description and rarely do I give people props for that either. Even I limit it because it's always wrong in a way. Every player is their own 

The Cc and Plumlee hybrid with some Priest Lauderdale.  I am not a fan.  I think Edey will be much better of the two.

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

I just read someone calling Clingan a weird hybrid of CC and Mason Plumlee that's 7'2. That might be a good one. Like Plumlee, stamina issues, can really pass, terrific finisher, but like CC, very fluid, terrific screener as a younger player, and just limited af while being an excellent drop coverage 5.

Good one.

I think Clingan is underrated but overrated. 

Clingan looked like he was CC out there in his highlights with all the missed bunnies.

5 hours ago, Final_quest said:

This is beating a dead horse at this point.

The squawk has been obliterating some dead horse carcasses around here lately.

Thank you for finding this.  Those are, uh, not great though imo.

31 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I believe the best pick in this draft is Edey to Atlanta and I've believe that for months. We got the #1 pick, I remember someone asking me in the Edey thread way back then, would you take him with the #1 pick and I said easily. The only player I would take over him in the last 5 years for the Hawks with Trae is Wemby. So I am gonna ride this one out. 

For Sarr fans, I've been against Sarr before you knew he even existed last Sunday. So my volume of Sarr talk only increased due to his name coming up, my message hasn't changed him in months. I was saying the same on RealGM. I didn't have him in my early top tier. In fact, only considered moving him up again as a 3. Now with us having the pick, I know for a fact, he's a bust for us. So I am 100% meaning I see zero reason to draft him. So I will never be on the boat to draft him unless it's at 15-20. In that case, yeah, I'll take him. I can send him to CP for a year or two and develop him with low expectations like Gueye. 

I appreciate your conviction.  The only point I was making is you trying to compare Canadians with work ethic to make your point doesn’t hold water.  It doesn’t matter where someone is from.

20 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

You removed the Steve Nash part. You gotta give your boy props, you walked right into that one

I thought Nash was great.  Still doesn’t matter if he was Canadian.  This is an interesting hill to make your stand.

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

 

Wiggins work ethic is bad and Barrett stop improving after HS. So no but I can do it with Steve Nash

That’s my point.  Being Canadian doesn’t matter.

58 minutes ago, HawksNWaffles said:

....... Do you think Edey would look good in the Pac-Man jersey...

No but seriously, these do need to make a comeback.

I wonder what the Pac-Man would look like in black with yellow lettering and red outline?

50 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

What do we know about SGA? 

Like Zach Edey, he's from Canada

Like Zach Edey, he's known for his elite work ethic

Like Zach Edey, he gets better, each and every season. 

I like the SGA post because like SGA should have probably been our pick the year we picked Trae. Edey should easily be our pick, this year.

Awesomeness.

now do Wiggins.  And Barrett.