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1 hour ago, GameTime said:

I kinda want to draft Edey just so we can be the most hated team in the NBA.... even by our own fans....

Best comment of the entire thread (barring my own)!

11 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

also a Team defense rating of 116.9 vs 121.9 helps as well while the offensive rating doesn't suffer as much 117.5 vs 120

Net rating with Young -2 vs +.6 without

So no Bey in the lineup helps with that defensive rating. He was terrible at close outs.

D@MN IT!!! you got me on my soapbox.  Edit gets about 40 touches per game. Do you honestly think he's only gets fouled 9.6 times per game.

12 hours ago, Hawkmoor said:

His entire tournament has been like that.  The refs and media are ACTIVELY trying to make this guy be great.   I mean he is hooking players like you said, jumping over folks backs for rebounds and setting moving screens and the whistle is silent.  You barely touch HIM and its free throws.   All this for a bench player in the NBA who might give you a few minutes.

come on....you could quite literally call a foul against whomever is guarding Edey every trip down the floor...

This thread needs some honesty. I'll start.

Zach Edey has some built in limitations (mobility, outside shooting and that big man fear he's too big for his feet to the take the pounding).

The game is called different against players like Edey who are hacked, undercut, held, hooked on almost every attempt.  When you are going to miss obvious calls that benefit a player, the whistle has to be loose going the other way as well. You can't call every time Edey breathes on someone if you are not going to call the 30 fouls against him that go uncalled every game.

40/16 and fouled out 2 people.

Those watching Brook Lopez vs the Hawks tonight and seeing the problem he's being. I'll remind you he's 3 inches shorter and 18lbs lighter than Edey.

WTF? Vit is guarding Lopez?

11 minutes ago, kg01 said:

You're kind of amazing, tcampst. 

- Rich Homie B. 

Its about time I got my flowers.

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

22 and?

That's not a knock believe or not, especially if you have high mental acuity. It means you understand what you are doing and can help a team immediately. I want 4 year players on my team especially if they know what they are doing. I've been saying for years, the Warriors biggest advantage was having 3 upperclassmen as their best players. Steph, Klay, and Green. 

If you know as much about the modern NBA as you claim, you would know that this is a BBIQ era we are in. That's most important and the teams lacking in that department are the teams you see not winning shit. 

You keep talking about Edey as if he was this 1st rounder in previous years when he wasn't. Even me, his biggest advocate wasn't pushing for him even once last year. He massively improved and added a modern NBA skill set, mastered it and that's why he's extremely high on my board and why he's a lottery pick to some GMs and hopefully ours when the time comes. 

People forget he never played basketball until 9th grade when he hit 6'10" and couldn't play hockey anymore. He didn't even learn to guard till his junior year in high school. He's kind of amazing when viewed through that lens.

"It's a rare occurrence, like a double rainbow or someone on the internet saying, "you know what, you convinced me. I was wrong""  Michael, The Good Place.

11 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Actually, I'm torn between Rich Homie Boban and Rich Edey Boban.  Ah, I'll get it sorted by the draft.

And, on the laziness, I'm thinking him literally standing in the lane for full defensive possessions might be frowned upon at the next level.

- Rich Homie B? 

If you ever watched Bruno in college, his feet were glued to the lane.

4 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I'm seeing rich man's Boban.

If we draft him, I'm changing my name to 'Rich Homie Boban'. 

He gets hacked so much, refs get numb to it. People just hanging off of him on put back attempts.

27 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Gonzaga has that elbow jumper the entire game.  They are taking advantage of Edey’s lack of speed vs the pick and roll.  

Not gonna lie, laziest game I've seen from him in a while. Quiet 11 point 1st half.

Purdue v Gonzaga tipoff incoming. If you're watching, thread your impressions of Edey here.

1 minute ago, AHF said:

That should be a really good game.  I’m excited to watch it and the variety and strength of opinions on this thread do make it more interesting still.  
 

I don’t disagree that you take the most impactful player on the board unless they are almost certain to be there with your next pick.  That said, I would feel a lot better about taking Edey with the Sacramento pick if we are going to do it just because I feel like there will be some intriguing options at 10 that won’t be there under any circumstances closer to 20.  Edey seems like the hardest player to predict in terms of draft slot that I can remember in some time.

We'll lets be fair here too, there is bound to be the potential to package a pick + piece to move up from 18(ish) or the potential to pick something up and move down from 10.

If we've done anything in this thread, we're going to push a lot of Squawkers to watch Purdue v Gonzaga tonight at @7:30 to take a real time look at Edey.

DH 11 boards now.

Checking in. Loving the effort again tonight.

Everything you stated above is opinion and conjecture.  Posting up is not obsolete. It happens every game still, 10-15 times per game. 2 points is 2 points.

There are roughly 100 offensive possessions per game with team scoring roughly 115-120 ppg. That's 1.2 points per possession. Edey is a beast in post ups, lobs and put backs. Between his fg% in the post and and1's, his efficiency is closer to 1.5 points per possession or equivalent to a 50% 3 point shooter. Being a threat in the post frees up 3 point shooting (see Dwight Howard prime in Orlando). I really don't understand how you aren't seeing this. He is so impactful, his Purdue team probably wouldn't have even made the tourney without him. He is literally the difference been an NIT bid and a 1 seed in the field of 64.

I think the dumbest comment I've heard thus far was the comparison to Tacko Fall.

Fall senior year - 11.1/7.6  (AAC)

Edey senior year - 24.5/12.1  (Big 10)

They are not remotely the same player. Both are tall and that is where the similarities end.

From a FT point generation perspective alone.  Edey draws so many fouls, he's averaging almost 10 free throws a game. He's double/triple teamed most games and still shoots 62%.  By just dumping the ball down to Edey, teams have to pick a poison. If they let him be single covered in the post, he'll convert 80% of the time (1.6 point/possession). If they drop a guard to double, you're giving Trae/DJM/Bogie or Matthews a wide open 3.  How in the holy hell is that worse than OO?

11 minutes ago, KB21 said:

You would significantly limit the team offensively and defensively by replacing OO with Edey.  

Okay now this is just silly. Edey is by far the better offensive player. In the NBA, where the 3 point line gives centers more room to operate, he becomes an even better post up threat. None, absolutely none of our current centers save Bruno can be counted on to get a bucket back to the basket. Its flip a coin in a post.
 

Edey is a better lob threat, a better offensive rebounder, better post up player and would immediately be our best screen setter. OO better than Edey offensively is ridiculous. I do not care if he's been hitting 3's at a 33% clip. That does not make him a better offensive player.

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

That's much better. Now that makes sense.

Which was my point. Typically we disagree on who to take. 1/2 the time, Soth and I disagree on who to take.  We have all 3 saying, take Edey if he's available.  Given the norm, that's got to make people rethink that.

I challenge anyone in this conversation to tell me who they pick in this draft who could beat out Trae at PG, DJM at SG, DH at SF, JJ at PF at pick 10....I would venture no one.  I'm confident Edey can beat out OO or Clint if not year 1, year 2.  He's a senior. He doesn't need College Park.

2 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

So you are saying that Edey is the bullseye at the center of the Soth/Supes/Camp vin diagram?  I'm willing to buy that lotto ticket.  It's not like the Hawks have some long record of success in the draft that they need to protect.  

I'm saying at 10, there really aren't any needle movers or potential needle movers.  Edey is a potential needle mover.

Also, none of our current centers are a top 15 big in the league. Clint gives great effort but he's really limited and his offensive limitations are a real problem. OO's size is a real problem.  Bruno has played well recently but as a starter against the best bigs in the league he struggles.  Edey is the only center on the draft board that has the potential to be a real problem for other teams. The rest's potential is no better than Clint/OO.

OO was 16.2/8.6 in college and we took him at 6.  Edey's last 2 seasons he's averaging 23/12. 10 feels like a steal.