MrNique

I think he can. He was Memphis' starter wasn't he? He fits what we (read: Schlenk/Bud regime) are looking for. Relatively young. Improving. Still has upside. For a 4 that can shoot, best one still out there as far as fit. Memphis is hard capped. So there is a number I believe they can't match. But, A) I don't know what that is. Or B) whether we have the space (hard to know anything until Crawford's buyout numbers are revealed) and finally C), we want to pay him that "number" at all.

Being a West Coaster, I haven't seen the games, but I'll eat crow on at least one thing (so far): I thought for sure the injuries were going to be too much for Jenkins and he was going to end up being cut. It's early, but that doesn't seem even possible at this point. I love shooters and I'm rooting for him. I had just kind of given up. First time back in here in a while. Man, season is almost upon us. Crazy.

I'm aware they are blind. But knowing say Charlotte only has so much, you can guarantee you beat at least one threatening team if you want. We don't even know that Ferry is bidding. Or very much. He coumd be take it or leave it like a lot of us are. Not being able to trade him could be a reason Ferry doesn't bid at all.

I read that Bids are over at 2 pm PST (5 pm for you ATL kids) and we should know by then. I've been wondering if you can adjust bids. Because if Ferry is interested, once Charlotte signed Lance you could have just bid more than they have. The teams that worry me are teams like the 76ers to be honest. Tons of space and the need to hit the salary floor. They could bid 8-10 without blinking.

I've been saying in a couple of threads, including this one, after striking out I'd be really surprised if Ferry didn't throw a bid in just to add a solid player. He's a shell, but if he's our backup PF on the cheap, that's fine. It would push Payne and Scott minutes down however. In fact, could spell trouble for Scott. I think Charlotte might outbid us though. Having lost McBob and a Rookie on deck, they actually need a starter.

I mean, it looks like a "City Pride" thing obviously based on the teams also listed. I was hoping for the new pacman logo in someway too. I guess we'll see.

Is this news? Or has this been out there already? And is there a leaked pic out there anywhere?

Only if we are replacing him with a big. With all the extra cap space, and how deep we are getting at the 2 spot I wouldn't be surprised if Danny cuts his losses with Jenkins. I know he just got cleared, but the Earth keeps spinning and his spot is looking precarious.

Finally caught up on the Summer League games. I was out of town and had em on tape. After 1, I felt like Mack was still way ahead of Dennis, but after two I think it's closer and we see more signs of his talent. Big year for him. He looked really dynamic at times in Game 2. (Usual Summer League caveat applies.) Is this the only Summer League thread going? Some other thoughts: Payne - gonna be a nice NBA player. Love his body and game. He definitely looks like a starting 4 in the NBA as far as potential. Can't wait to see him develop. Tavares - Nice! I read some things after we drafted that talked of him hitting 15 footers and his stroke at the line is solid. That hook when improved could be deadly. It already looks better than Hibbert's. As for losing Bebe, this guy seems further along and his ceiling seems higher. Muscala - What a nice Summer League he's having! Doesn't project to be any better than our 5-6th big right now but if he can translate this improvement he could steal some minutes from Antić. Patterson - Definitely a Ferry/Bud guy. I could see him developing nicely but there is a real glut at the end of the SG rotation. We'll see what happens. His ball handling could help make the team if for some reason Mack moves on.

I keep thinking Jason Smith has Ferry written all over him as far as a BU Center goes.

Seems to be some confusion on how the Boozer amnesty works: When he's amnestied, he'd go through the bidding process first. Teams with cap space place bid and highest gets him. (Bulls pay difference of his 16 million and what the team bids.) If no one bids for him, then he's a Free Agent and can choose where he wants to go. As for Atlanta: If there are no major moves coming, which is looking likely, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Danny makes a bid. Now, I think he's a little redundant as we have Sap and just drafted Payne and still have Scott in theory. But if we whiff everywhere else, why not bring in a player of quality on the cheap that would settle in the system easily. Especially with Sap in a contract year and Deadline Trade Bait. So I almast expect a bid unless there is something else DF is working on. Whether that's 3 million, 4 or 5 who knows. Now remember, we can't trade him for the year. He'd be ours until the end of the season but we do gain his bird rights. Seems worth even a 2 million bid unless you're worried it would kill Payne's development.

I wonder if we are one of the teams interested in Jason Smith.

That was my thought too. I think Scott starts there but its Payne's to lose. He seems more versatile on both ends just than the one. I wouldn't mind seeing the BY Center spot improved either. But that's have to be a trade at this point.

I see the rotation with Deng more like this: Teague - Mack - Schröder Korver - Sefelosha - Bazemore - Patterson/Jenkins Deng - DMC - (Sefelosha) Milsap - Payne - Scott Horford - Antić - Muscala But that's 15 if Patterson and Jenkins are fighting for a single spot. Could be they both get cut.

I think Boozer is a little redundant but he is a solid and if we haven't used the space maybe Ferry will put in a bid just to add a player of quality.

Yeah, targets getting thin. Ferry did his best, but A) a lot of money out there this summer and we're not in a place to overpay and B) we aren't there yet as far as reputation goes. Gasol going to Chicago. Where are we at? 1. I think we could be done at Wing. I could see us taking another one of its a starter like Deng, but none left. The only player left that seemingly fits system is Shawn Marion. But I think long shot. We'll need to see how Thabo/Bazemore pan out before we known if we're better but is much needed D even if neither project as a starter. 2. Gasol makes me think he's looking at Bigs as Wings have dried up. Monroe is the obvious target left. But our 11 or so won't get it done unless they agree to a S&T. Detroit will match. What's left? Emeka Okafor and Chris Anderson probably best available. But Okafor injured and to be fair, neither fit the offense. Its be a R&D fill to counter Antić. But why not bring back Brand? Ryan Hollins lingers further down and could fit offense, but is he better than Antić? In that case just bring back Ayón. 3. Whose left that's any good? Bledsoe? No need unless we move Teague in another deal. He'd probably be matched anyway. Lance Stephenson? No way Ferry pays this guy. Unless he feels like he needs to use the money and does a 2-year deal. His personality is just opposite of who Ferry adds. (Riffing on my own Bledsoe thought. What about a S&T of Monroe for Teague. And S&T Bledsoe for Milsap replacing Frye for them. Bledsoe - Korver - DMC - Horford - Monroe? Better? Not sure and a S&T pope dream.) 4. Trade. In this case I have no idea what Ferry is looking at. But if Bazemore is going into our Room Exception we still have 11 to spend and fill. Maybe we don't use it all and go into season with some cap space. I love Bazemore/Thabo for 6. But sad we couldn't get anything else going. Let's see what Ferry does.

Guess not. And my rotations are loose. I'd expect right now that Thabo is first off bench at either 2 or 3. Bazemore will fill other minutes. And I hope we do better than Brand. I'd like to see Antić pushed down rotation but I think with Brand he'd still be the lead backup.

Wonky thread, but I see the point. Either Jenkins or Patterson could be getting cut. And I know some people love then Jenkins, but I think he's in trouble. But I think that's why we saw a run at Gasol tonight. We have a lot of Wings and Deng/Ariza seem to be priced out of our league. No one left. But I see our rotation like this right now: Teague - Mack - Schröder Korver - Bazemore - Patterson or Jenkins (they could be playing for a spot) Carroll - Sefelosha Milsap - Payne - Scott Horford - Antić - Muscala At this point an upgrade at Backup Center makes sense. I could still see a Deng being signed and pushing the SF rotation down one, but that would all but guarantee that either Patterson or Jenkins is not on the roster. Of course then here comes a trade...

What was the number last year, 18?

I'd probably be a little more interested if it was at least a "Keep 5" so all the good work can be built upon. I mean look at this monster from last year: PG - JEFF TEAGUE - TREY BURKE SG - ANDRE IGUODOLA - AARON AFFLALO - BEN MCLEMORE SF - PAUL GEORGE - DORRELL WRIGHT PF - DIRK NOWITZKI - TAJ GIBSON - ANDREW NICHOLSON C - JOAKIM NOAH - OMER ASIK - MASON PLUMLEE Coach - COACH K Did we ever count up the PER or WINSHARE because I must have done well no matter how you count it. Undecided about this year as of now. This EATS a lot of time. I wish it was all in 1 day or something. People took forever sometimes last year.

Don't get me wrong. I like the kid and I'm rooting for him. I hope he comes in and proves a part of the team and maybe even cracks the rotation. I just think when a career sometimes starts like his does it's hard to catch back up. So I didn't mean to sound harsh, my expectations are just at low at this point.

Obviously, it's going to be: KORVER - BAZEMORE - PATTERSON I'm just not expecting anything from Jenkins. I feel at this point I'll be surprised if he ever does anything for us.

Time to start taking this semi seriously. We've felt that SVG would just match, but what if he doesn't? Would he take Milsap in S&T? What would a move like this mean for Al? Move to 4?

I didn't mean to suggest it was entirely feasible. I was just having some fun based on rumor. I'm excited to see what FA brings. I couldn't see us get both Deng/Gasol either. Not unless Milsap went to LA in a S&T or something.

TEAGUE - MACK - Schröder KORVER - BAZEMORE - PATTERSON or JENKINS DENG - CARROLL MILLSAP - PAYNE - SCOTT HORFORD - GASOL - Antić or MUSCALA