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Brewer didnt do great with Deron he sucked which is why they got rid of him and tried to bring in someone who could at least make a shot even old Raja Bell. Brewer then moved onto the Bulls and played with another great one ....the MVP Rose and was still useless besides a few minutes defensively We would bring him here and it wouldnt take 30 games before people would be wondering why we got him if the craziness of JJ for Paul actually happened . Brewer is a double team magnet ....whoever he is playing with gets doubled by whoever is guarding him .

thats a homer deal if Ive ever seen one lol . Hey I would take it but why would the Hornets owners .... (the rest of the league because the nba owns the hornets ) take joe johnson off our hands when he is not known for filling the stands..... they already have Okafor . The only way I see us working out a deal is if they could give us Okafor and Paul for Al + salaries but hes full BYC so I dont think

Wouldnt Al have BYC status after signing his extension ? as such I dont think there was anyway to get that deal done as a 1 for 1 trade .

They arent comparable offensively Stuckey cant shoot .

thats the problem right there you have to be high as a kite to believe that . Jamal just didnt give us scoring punch jamal could give us games until JC2 can do that he is not the caliber of player that JC is . If it wasnt for Hinrich Drew is lameduck Sund is gone and the new GM is trying to make his splash by packaging Teague ,JC2 and one of our big three trying to get under the cap . The Hawks have not been in the lottery for years but the lottery mentality still is strong.

AHF but there is nothing wrong with VC according to Northcyde he is simply transitioning :biggrin: Why would anyone want someones VC's age to replace Marvin with a similar contract to marvin's ? If you told me we could get him for a contract similar to the 2-3 million per year that Grant Hill was getting from the Suns then I would be very open to that but I dont see that happening at all.

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of course you wouldnt but I could simply post games 1-5 of the Magic series for Jamal maybe Northcyde should watch the hawks more instead of making such ridiculous claims. VC at the minimum is value..... VC at the full Mle for 3-5 years is not what about that you dont see ? Players like him dont join teams whose best players in there primes are not even considered better than him or at least as good as he was in his not for the minimum at least Shaq didnt do it I see no reason why VC would do it . You know yourself he wouldnt pick us over the Bulls unless we offered him a full blown MLE deal . Who in there right mind gives a 35 year old VC 3-5 years ?

About 3-4 years too late for a guy like Kapono on this squad . Role players only work when the stars consistently play at a high level and the organization and the players are all pulling in the same direction .

roflmao did you just step out of a portal to from 2003 ? he will sign with a contender for the minimum or partial MLE contract but he would get the full MLE from us and be the on the worst contracts list by next summer . They would sign him with little expectations for pennies on the dollar and anything he adds would be a bonus in additions to what there consistent superstars already brings . We would sign for multiple years and as evident by your post still think hes the VC of 8-9 years ago not the 35 yr old guards who has lost much of athleticism and still expect 2003 results . You cant assure me of anything because Ive seen it with my own eyes and VC is nowhere near the player Joe Johnson is right now . This is typical hawkfan desperation move Lets go and find the oldest player we can watch his you tube clips and convince ourselves hes still the same player he was at 10 years ago. The fact that you would want to entertain the nonsense of bring him in because hes a better closer than the 18 mil Joe 12 mil josh 12 mil AL is exactly what is wrong with this franchise to begin with . If you think VC is your answer then obviously dont understand the problem .;

Oh I watch the league thats how I can smell what you are putting of so strongly You are the only person on this planet who thought VC played well posting a youtube clip of his 2 best games in a Sun uniform doesnt mean he played well. Its a reason they are looking to buy him out . Its reason that after having him one season the magic decided move him again and thought Gilbert Arenas and Hedo were better longterm options and now after a half of a season the Suns have decided they would rather buy him out ? Are you his agent or something because you are straight selling sucker bets . Claiming how he played better than 2 bench guys in a starting role next two one of the best shot creators in the entire league in one of the best offensive systems in the entire league only helps you fool the espn watchers . Anyone who has actually seen VC play the last year knows your entire argument is ridiculous . VC is done but lets sign him to the full MLE to learn that lesson the hard way . Thanks but no thanks Id rather he let him go be a bargain for the Lakers or spurs at the veteran exception than give him the full MLE for him to joint he most worst contracts list with us .

how about this for a reality check If we dont make the Hinrich trade we dont get out of the first rd so Drew is fired and so is Sund the team is blown up because the new management comes in looking to make changes.

Is this some type of Joke ? VC is done why dont we bring Marbury ,Ai,and Steve Francis in as well .

Id say you continue to ignore that fact that unlike you and your wishful thinking there are guys with there jobs on the line and they choose not to entertain such foolishness

we arent getting capspace cmon keep up here

he would be considered leaving for nothing because he has talent and production behind that talent that would be losing him for nothing ? We can have them both what part of this dont you seem to understand ? Al is not replacing jamal we are losing a rotation player for nothing Als contract has nothing to do with Jamal we could still resign jamal but if jamals leaves we get nothing because we have no capspace so jamals departure doesnt open up anything as far as signing players we just lose an asset for nothing .

I cant imagine anyone would think Dwight would seriously want out of Orlando to come here at this point . We are capped out and are seriously in a what do we do now mode ? I would think that at his age he would say Chicago and they could send back Noah,Gibson, and some picks.

Eddie what money are you talking about ? Losing Crawford doesnt free up money because Als new deal at 12 million a season kicks in . All we would have is the 6 million from the mid level exception to use and we have that whether we keep Crawford or not . I repeat jamal and his 10 mil contract leaving doesnt open up an extra 10 million in which we could sign other players with because we are already capped out either way. Although Diesel is right about how the new CBA may open or close doors in regards to how it plays out

We are over the cap regardless of whether Crawford comes back or not . Losing him does not open up money all we have if we bring him back or dont is the MLE . With that said hes already gone as I stated before barring a lockout he will be getting calls from most of the top teams and there stars in the league .

We dont have a player on this roster that could net us a 1st or 2nd team all nba player by themselves To get Dwight we would have to give up Horford and Smoove .

If all of our hopes are on Teague we are screwed in fact banking on another year of internal improvement from this team is gonna be a absolute disaster

Kamans been injured but to say he would be only slightly better than Zaza is ridiclous He was 12 and 7 with a 1 block in 26 mpg last year The year before he was 18 and 9 Hes been injured just like Chandler was injured before the Mavs got him as well as haywood had been injured early on as well. Kaman/Al would be a great tandem if we could find ourselves a quality SF

Mavs payroll is 90 million ATl payroll is 71 million 19 million is enough to fill out the roster with 2-3 more quality rotation players. I said two years ago when we resigned Bibby,Marvin,Zaza, even Mo that we blew it because we didnt maximize our assets. Instead of signing Zaza to a 4 yr 16 million dollar deal you sign him to a 3 year 20 million dollar deal Instead of signing Bibby to a 3 year deal at 18 mil you give him a 2 yr deal at 22 mil same with Marvin and Mo shorter deals with higher salaries You do this because you understand that down the line no good players will have base nba salaries and so unless you plan on trading Joe,Al,or Josh you wont have any other pieces able to be moved . The Mavs will overpay in yearly salary so that they will always have the salaries to move for someone a team is looking to dump who maybe could help them . Marvin in the final year of a 3 deal makes him a valuable trade chip even at 10 mil . Marvin + future pick for Kaman ? We wouldve been able to get involved in the Melo talks .These are the types of situations that Cubans tries to put himself in even if he doesnt always get what he wants hes so in tune to whats going on that he is able to move quickly when opportunities present themselves . We build our team as though the Bibby signings were the lats move we would ever make and we are paying the price now .

We do but not by a lot but they also have MORE . Thats the difference . However thats from years of tinkering with a standard thats been set . Its easier to accumulate that many quality role players when you have a clearcut superstar . With our best players play though its actually kinda hard to define what a role player is on this team.

actually its the playoffs and the need for your role players comes and goes . Dirk has set a standard with his play that he rarely shoots 4-19 so that on the occasion that he does the team can carry him . But our best players go through weeks without bringing there 'A" game and so no real standard is set . Our role instead of being needed to carry the team, maybe 2 out of 6 games are needed basically every single game. before you talk about role players just ask yourself when wast he last time our best 3 players all brought best games at the same time let alone back to back games. Dirk has been one of the best players in the league for 10 straight years thats a heckuva standard to build around .