Crank

Weve watched basketball long enough to know better . If jamal drove to the hole 30 time tonight he wont get sent to the line 20 time that we know for a fact . Those fouls shots are league generated something they wouldnt give to jamal or joe or anyone on our team no matter what they did . If anyone watched the entire series they would know that while Rose shot a ridiculous amount of fts the first two games he wasnt worth anything in games three or four and they won simply because The Pacers didnt have enough legit scorers .

You need a explanation on why Marvin shouldnt start for this team ever again ?

oh well if thats the case ZAZA Al Josh Joe Teague when you start Marvin its simply one too many "IFs " for my tastes on the road

Nope I simply support sound strategic position this basically screams " I dont know what Im doing so ill go with what hasnt worked all year long "

dead in the water

Since when has jamal not being able to guard someone stopped us from playing him there ? We didnt NOT play jamal at point in 2009 when we went 3-1 he was playing the point in all those games along with Bibby matched up against Rose and back then we didnt fear Rose and everyone got time guarding him but at the end of the day we didnt change who were were to play them . Jamal against the Bulls in 2009 4 games 32.8 mpg 7.0-13.8 .509 fg% 2.8-5.3 .524 fg% 20 pts 3 apg 3 rpg Rose in that same situation 23 ppg 5apg 2 apg on 47% Rose has improved but we cannot beat them if we try and change who we are to do it . At a certain point its going to come down to jamal giving us quality minutes on Rose to expect Teague to do it seems like a team trying to create excuses .

LOL well Im operating under the premise that Josh will realize that he wont have a experienced post defender on him and will have learned his lesson from last series .

Dude you dont even understand what we did against the Magic there is no such successful strategy in the nba that employs that if a guard beats his man we wont help just let him score because there is no way he can outscore our team. That is no what we did against Dwight Howard our strategy was intent on taking away the three point shooting . We felt that twos were better than threes because thats what that team fed off of similar to how we used to fed off Smooves dunks. The magic were a simple iso or pick and roll team . They either threw the ball in to Dwight on the post or ran the pick and roll with him, The Bulls are not an isolation team they are not gonna clear out the side and let Rose simply go one on one . They are gonna run there offense sets so simply saying . You seem to ignore things like steals,blocks etc that leads to transition baskets . The Bulls dont just score in one or two ways and they are much better defensive team than the magic whose defense basically consisted of Dwight. At some point you have to realize that it was not that Dwight could not outscore us that won the game for us it was that they couldnt stop us . The Bulls are a much much better defensive team

We dont have to start Collins we can start Zaza and that gives us someone active who wants to be in the paint . Start Zaza against Noah this gives Al a matchup against Boozer who is hurting and josh now has a matchup against Deng who really is not used to playing post players . In other words give the Bulls something they havent seen and get bigger in the lane . This also allows for better more effective screening across the board for both JJ and Teague The Bulls play Kurt Thomas at backup center when he comes into the game we now move Al to center and we go the high pick and role instead of trying to have Al post up one on one a great post defender. When Marvin comes in off the bench he is matched up against Deng who played 40+ mpg in the last series the Bulls backup SF is basically Ronnie Brewer or Korver who Marvin both have advantages against in the post .

I call it like I see it and I usually see the good in all things hawks but somethings just cannot be glossed over . Marvin should never start for us again no matter what hes simply has shown us all that hes a bench player yet we keep forcing him into roles that he cannot possibly fulfill We are playing the best rebounding team in the league and we decide to go small and go back to what has not worked in a long time the Al,Josh,Marvin frontline . Teague is not ready hes not even on the street so there is no way he can turn the corner . BUT if you have to go to him right now you surely dont go back to the no energy complacent frontline that we know is finished. Id rather have us big on that frontline so offensively we can set some good screens from anywhere and Teague can use that quickness to dart into the lane from around them. I just feel that when you are playing a good team like the Bulls you dont throw out a bunch of "IFs " and these changes + Josh = a bunch of Ifs

listen to yourself We cant double him because hes too quick but one guy can stay in front of him ? KORVER DOES NOT START FOR THE BULLS KEITH BOGANS STARTS I want Bogans shooting as many jumpshots as possible heck we all should It doesnt get anyone in foul trouble because no other Bulls draw fouls besides Deng and Boozer who is hurt . You trap off of Bogans if they decide to put Korver in well doesnt that matchup now overwhelmingly slide to JJs favor ? If we single cover Rose they will simply run there offensive sets and Rose will be in the lane all game getting layups It sounds to me that you are saying that when Rose goes around his man and he will no one else should help just let him score . Why didnt Orlando do the same thing for Joe then or Crawford ? Do you understand why teams double ? They double because they are not stupid enough to believe they are gonna score everytime down the floor. OMG you dont understand what we were even trying to do with Dwight . Our defensive philosophy against Orlando was designed to stop the three point shooting that is what drove Orlandos game and got them fired up. We werent trying to shut down everyone else we simply felt that they could not beat us without the three ball and they couldnt . Derrick Rose is the Bulls offense he doesnt create any ONE thing that everyone else relies on he creates EVERYTHING THEY RELY ON the key is that he doesnt do it all with isolation We need this first game so you have to give them something they havent seen from us . Thats why you double ,trap etc late in the clock after hes made his initial pass and has cut through and gotten the ball back because now its ten seconds on the clock and if you get it out of his hands it forces Bogans ,Noah Boozer,Gibson to actually make a move when the clock is running down. Its about knowing there personnel and how they use them . The biggest mistake you are making is dreaming that if Rose gets around his guy that he will simply pull up for a long jumper when the fact is he is going straight to the basket and if no one helps which is what you are saying he will he will make enough to give them a nice lead and you know how well we play when we are down big . Nevermind that we are playing the best defensive team in the league and one of the better rebounding teams as well.

Teague starting + Marvins re-insertion into the starting lineup = we are down by double digits by the time the first sub comes in

that strategy wont work The Magic perimeter players confidence came from them making threes so we took away easy three point shots by not doubling Dwight The Bulls players confidence comes from Derrick Rose and his ability to control the tempo of the game . You dont want him to get going that only feeds the confidence of the rest of the team You want to make the others make plays and when they cant it will cause Rose to press harder which in turn will increase the pressure on everyone on the team who has never made it this far before. When we came back to win what happened ? Rose's shots stopped falling and as the rest of the Bulls was being forced to make plays and couldnt the pressure on Rose to make plays got greater and it played right into our hands. You have to look at how the Bulls win games Rose basically keeps his team in it and then at the end of the game opponents decide we have to get it out of his hands and then he makes one pass and a Korver or Bogans or Deng makes ONE shots at the right time. What you want to do is increase the pressure on them to make shots throughout the whole game With Boozer ailing its even more important in game one that we force other Bulls to make shots and be ready to play . They have had time off they havent been past he first rd as a group before so you catch these guys mentally unprepared to be big contributors. Look at the 3 pt shooting Let Rose shoot his jumper Close out on Deng and Korver HARD everyone else ...good luck if you can make 8+ shots in game shake there hands and walk off no one on that team besides Rose,Boozer,Deng,Korver can make shots consistently You take away Roses attempts and his league gifted free throws attempts and now Boozer who is hurting needs to step up and make more shots and Deng and Korver . You have to look at how how the Bulls have to play to win and then take them out of that comfort zone.

You really arent paying attention Your strategy that he wont get assists because no one will help ignores the fact that if no one helps he will be throwing down crushing dunks. The Bulls offensive players are not nearly as explosive as the magic shooters Why cant we stop him if we double him and get the ball out of his hands and make the likes of Keith Bogans make more shots You have no concept of basketball strategy there are things called momentum . The Magics confidence didnt feed off Dwight they fed off the threes . Derrick Roses supporting cast confidence feeds off of his play when he doesnt play well they struggle badly you dont want him doing whatever he wants . To beat the Bulls in a 7 game series we have to get ahead and to do that we need to disrupt what they do Double Rose primarily from Bogans while attacking Deng,Rose, and Boozer offensively If we take game one that puts them in a position they have never been in before . Rose will then force the issue more we saw this against the Pacers they simply didnt have enough offense to take advantage of it as the series went alone The key is you dont just employ just one strategy you employ several and keep making adjustments the key is to get hem playing catchup. If we win game one you employ some zone in game two you double team other players like Korver or Deng at various times . You have to take that team out of its comfort zone and that comfort zone is Derrick Rose playing well ....everything they do offensively is based on that . This is needed to help weaken the role players mentally and break that great team defense they have

The team with the league MVP swill always be favored against a team with no superstars so I can see why the national media picks the way they do . From a personal standpoint Im sorta disappointed that we have went back to the same pre trade stuff that wasnt working . IMO the starting lineup that includes Josh,Marvin,Al,or should never be used again . We should be moving on from that lineup as a franchise .

This series is over before it starts if we play Crawford strictly at SG.

You dont seem to understand what was going on . We were not allowing Dwight to score at will we simply didnt help because there entire offense was based on people helping on Dwight which in turn freed up there deadly three point shooting . We had someone between Dwight and the basket pretty much at all times if he managed to get by them he scored . To suggest that we simply dont help on Derrick Rose because he wont make all the layups is crazy We didnt want the magic three point shooters to get clean open looks but against the Bulls we want anyone else on that team, shooting besides Rose . THEY ARE NOT A GOOD OFFENSIVE TEAM so why would you want there best scorer to roam free .

last time we beat the Bulls who was at point ? what was he doing ? dropping dimes to Al and Marvin to close out the game Our most consistent offensive play is a Jamal/Al pick and roll. To be honest we need to stop trying to wish it away and do what needs to be done . Jamal has risen to ever challenge presented to him and so we shouldnt be ignoring the 25 ton Gorilla in the room . We are gonna have to ask jamal to play some defense now when everyone stops laughing and thinks about it they will come to the same conclusion . We dont need him to turn into GP over night we just need him to play the best basketball of his career for the next two weeks . Its not about Teague lol people going there are simply afraid to face reality Its not about Teague ,Joe or Damien its about Jamal Crawford accepting the challenge of Derrick Rose.

I dont think we should start Collins I think we should start Zaza playing SF doesnt mean you shoot jumpshots

Cant play Rose like Dwight because they dont play the same type of game . You knew Dwight would be within 5 feet of the basket at all times but would also need someone to get him the ball. Rose will have the ball most of teh time hes in the game and be all over the floor . You want him to take those threes but you also have to mix it up and you want Bogans shooting and you want Boozer whose been horrible and injured to have to make a play . The more we make Rose work and the more pressure it is to force everyone else to have to consistently step up the better it is for us as the series goes on . The key is to get ahead thats why if you want to spring a surprise you do it in game one just like against the Magic because once you get behind those shots that you used to launch so carefree become harder and harder to take . We get ahead and Rose will try and play hero the next few games and it will play right into our hands just like the magic the Pacers had them but they had no one else besides Granger who could really score

Why would would we bet on Marvin again ? This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

we have so many options defensively against rose is not even funny . Hes not what Im worried about what Im worried about is the hawks fans so quick to want to jump back to the same lineup thats played out and that we know has run its course . Al,JJ,Josh,Marvin as 4/5 th of a starting unit should be over . It hasnt been effective in over a year and its time to move on . Once you factor in the fact that we are playing a team whose coach has seen and planned for that quartet in the playoffs ....THIBS !! If we trot out the same stuff weve done the past two years we are gonna get pounded . This is why Im in favor of starting Zaza and even Craw because it throws a wrench into things and forced him to have to defer from his Bostons notes Even if we just started Zaza that would be a huge difference Zaza-Noah Al-Boozer Josh-Deng With the struggles of Boozer and his injury why would willingly put someone on him (Josh) who knowingly take himself out of the series by standing on the perimeter shooting jumpsuits against a slow footed injured PF ? Id go zone heck at this rate you would Zaza,Al,Josh ,Joe ,jamal in a zone in a huge zone at times and use our size and length to our advantages . We are in it as long as we are proactive not reactive

exactly if our entire plan was based around one guy defending him we are dead before it starts .

well then we already have lost because without Craw we are not gonna win this series . Some of you need to to come to grips that Rose is gonna get his regardless but basically allowing him to rest on defense while abusing Teague on offense simply plays into there hands . Why do you think Horford can make up Hinrichs 11+ points when hes scoring only 11 points per game on 37% shooting ? Crawford at PG is one of our advantages if you think we can suddenly abandon it and still win your kidding yourself. Starting teague would be a sign of desperation if you wouldnt play him against the Magic why would you suddenly throw him out there against the league MVP.

The Bulls starting lineup as we know it Noah Boozer (has turf toe) Deng Bogans Rose If Kirk is only gonna miss game one this is the lineup I propose Zaza Al Smoove JJ Crawford that makes us HUGE We use that size to trap Rose using both guards and force Bogans to beat us from the outside On offense whoever Rose takes we use our size to run him off a constant barrage of screens Now of course of the Bulls will try and counter with Korver for Bogans but when they do that JJ offensively runs right into the post as he will have either Rose or or Korver on him On defense when Korver comes in the key is to trap him as well why ? because you want the likes of Noah having to make plays with the ball offensively . Now the Bulls after the success they had with Kurt Thomas on Al will go to that again I am betting they do and we should be ready for it by putting Kurt Thomas in a ton of screen and roll situation where Al doesnt just shoot the jumper but rolls to the basket . Indiana was able to wear down Rose by putting the 6'8 George on him and the 6'6 Dahntay Jones on him but they never could put the offensive pressure on him on the other end to make the Bulls change what they do . Thibs is a great strategists but hes the same guy who came up with the Celts defensive strategy and we know how to beat that strategy. He is probably telling them right now strategy based on what he saw against the pacers and the regular season and we need to throw a wrench into that . The Bulls are limited in what they can do because its basically the Rose shows but our versatility allows us to do so much more .