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We dont have a jamal Crawford to trade and with a lockout coming I wouldnt expect any trades we will more than likely be returning the same team . Unless we got something planned for draft day its not looking good for any major moves this summer .

Stevenson works because hes on the floor with a superstar . Put him on this squad and you will get the version that the wizards dumped . Role players like Stevenson only work when your stars are consistent

you are doing it again WADE DOES NOT NEED BOSH OR LEBRON TO BRING HIS "A" GAME What u are talking about is not perspective but a a delusion . If we had this type of player around Joe he would suddenly turn into some sort of first team all NBA caliber future HOF ? You guys sound like the ones who refer to the heat as the big three when in reality its the big two and a nice piece and Bosh is the nice piece but hes no where near being the caliber of player who you can simply needs some help. Unless we can get Lebron,Wade,Dwight,Rose,Melo,Amare. Joe is not the guy who gets help he is the type of player who IS THE HELP for those caliber of players . Joe is not a bad player and I like his game but at this time we are simply treading water buying into that . Now as i said before I wouldnt dump him for nothing because I like his game but you have to recognize your teams limitations and plan accordingly .

You and Diesel are really stretching it here KG was the MVP that season THE LEAGUE MVP you think he was the league MVP because of the additions of Cassell and Spree ? 24 ppg 15 rpg 5 apg 1+ spg 2+ bpg and first team all defense Thats the underlying problem here you guys are talking as if with the right players around him JJ will turn in a MVP like performance and raise his game like hes a freaking Cinderfella or something KG was bringing his "A" game long before Cassell or Spree showed up he didnt need them around to bring out his best ball. . Joe doesnt bring his "A" game as much as he should nevermind that his "A' game aint on KG's level . Now no one else on the team does either but when you give 3 players 40+ mil and over half of your teams cap space and none of them can consistently bring there "A" games well then you have to change something .

"all star" potential means little to this team right now concerning Josh Id much rather be concerned about building a title contender than simply worrying about Josh making a all star team.

Was Kobe in decline when the year before that when they won only 34 games ? He was never considered in decline everyone just knew his team was screwed capwise and they would never be able to put a team around him . The Twolves knew he had a player option just like the Nuggets knew Melo had one and they made a move rather than lose him for nothing Al Jefferson 1st rd pick Gerald Green, 1st rd pick Sebastian Telfair lottery pick Ryan Gomes rotation player a future first-round draft pick and the return of a first-rounder huge expiring all that for a guy who was considered on the decline ? KG was a superstar and was traded to Boston as such

lipstick on a pig the Hawks way . We try and find anyone and everyone to carry the team while clinging to the core like Heston to his gun . This team will struggle to make the playoffs next year

So KG at 29 was a stat padder on the downside of his career ? he was a no longer a superstar KG had a player option and thoughts were he was gonna take it thats why the Twolves traded Garnett its no surprise that he got his current 100 million dollar deal after the trade . You are simply rewriting history to try and fit it into your theory 1998-99 NBA All-NBA (3rd) 1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st) 1999-00 NBA All-NBA (1st) 2000-01 NBA All-Defensive (1st) 2000-01 NBA All-NBA (2nd) 2001-02 NBA All-Defensive (1st) 2001-02 NBA All-NBA (2nd) 2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st) 2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st) 2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st) 2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st) 2004-05 NBA All-Defensive (1st) 2004-05 NBA All-NBA (2nd) 2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (2nd) 2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (2nd) 2006-07 NBA All-NBA (3rd) 2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st) first year with the Celtics 2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st) 2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st) 2010-11 NBA All-Defensive (1st) seriously Diesel 30 Mark Blount 31 Ricky Davis 4 Randy Foye 21 Kevin Garnett 41 Eddie Griffin 23 Trenton Hassell 16 Troy Hudson 13 Mike James 55 Marko Jaric 35 Mark Madsen 1 Rashad McCants 9 Justin Reed 5 Craig Smith 6 Bracey Wright thats his final Twolves roster before being traded to the celtics roflmao just cut it out man

I think people keep forgetting that KG came to Boston as a SUPERSTAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not a "all star" but a player many considered to be one of the 5 best platers in the game a legit quadruple double threat . Rondo AND pierce AND Doc Rivers Paul Pierce, Al Jefferson, Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West, Ryan Gomes, Tony Allen, Gerald Green, Rajon Rondo, Allan Ray, Sebastian Telfair Kevinn Pinkney, Kendrick Perkins, Leon Powe, PF Brian Scalabrine, Theo Ratliff, Michael Olowokandi, COACHED BY DOC RIVERS RECORD 24-58 LAST IN THE CONFERENCE Rivers was on his way to being fired wow talk about short memories The amount of excuses some of you are making with these comparisons is simply unreal . Joe does not suck but Joe is not on a Garnetts level not even close . Comparing all star players to top ten players is simply crazy . Pierce like Joe made a 3rd team all nba team but Boston decided that to actually win anything they would have to go and get a superstar which is what they did in Garnett who up to the year he was traded to Boston was either 1st or 2nd team all nba and 1st or 2nd team all defensive team . I dont even know why I have to explain that .....

If JJ had Pierce or KG on the team he wouldnt be the lead guy ........THEY WOULD

I believe you are just as out of touch with reality as Josh is when he is launching those 20 ft jumpshots . His teammates dont say anything to Josh because mentally as soft as jello pudding and his antics scream of petty and spiteful displays . Thats the only choice his teammates have if they even hope of for him to contribute anything. Josh is not a bad player thats not what Im saying at all but this heart,drive,guts,fight BS your peddling is ridiculous hes shown nothing of the kind in quite some time . But Im not giving Josh or Joe a pass either Im not happy with trio at all at this point . You cant have three players with these kind of flaws be your 3 best players and expect to get out of the second rd .

The only reason Josh showed up was because he was called out on national tv and was embarrassed. Its not even that he doesnt really show up its the fact that hes indifferent to what the team needs from him to actually win games . At this point we cant trust anyone though as no one on this team is consistent. except Marvin who manages to consistently suck .

You dont need to know who the coach is when dealing Kmart,Magliore and Redd . You know they are good players but you also know you dont make them the alpha but know they would be great playing next to someone who is. woah !! you have basically dug this trench around your comments trying to rewrite history to make it fit your claims Diesel . Hakeem was the defensive player of the year and league MVP . Why dont you list the number of awards that Elie ,Kenny,Thorpe,Maxwell have won ? Big Ben was defensive player of the year You are talking about two of the best defensive bigs ever who were as consistent as they come . Good organizations dont build a team around inconsistency . Do you really think we have anyone who plays with the effort and production of those two ? When your best players cant show up and bring there A games consistently well then its time to find new best players not more roles players who are dependent upon those best players who dont show up consistently. You are talking about a very bad combination to be so attached too . A - players you know arent the elite of the league B- players who dont consistently play at a high level . Kobe is an A Joe is a B fine we all know you dont need a team full of A's to win the title But Kobe on most nights is giving consistently an "A" effort and production while Joe on most nights is giving you a "C" with some "D" and a few "B" even having an "A" or two throughout the year. How do you build a consistent team when your best players dont consistently give you there best ? same can be said for Josh and AL Those 3 havent played consistently well together in quite some time . Thats why its time to reevaluate this core and try and get someone at any position that can give us a "B" allowing us to have someone in place to even out the inconsistency of the other two . So instead of having then struggle with the burden of trying to give us a B we can further develop them into being consistent "C' instead of erratic "B' that the entire team depends on

Pierce was not great he was a good player . and so was Ray Allen . Good player multiple all stars KG was a GREAT PLAYER an all nba caliber player and was one of the top 5 players in the nba for several seasons. But Pierce hovered in between the top 15-20 in the league and Allen in the top 20-25 . KG was top ten offensively and top 5 defensively . As I said if we could get a true top ten player that would push Joe,Al;,Josh down a notch we would be fine and they would flourish. But no role player is gonna do it . As for Wade if we swapped Wade for Joe right now we would be considered title contenders . You keep saying they got help but keep ignoring the fact that they were also players who brought there A games the majority of the time . We dont have anyone that does that . Kobe brought his A game pretty much all the time and the Lakers were able to bring in Paul who brought his A game maybe 70-75% of the time that creates a formidable tandem Joe,Al,Josh hardly ever all play well together and now are at the point where they take turns bring there A games and are at the point where they are now bringing there A games one out of every 4-5 games . There is no help for that no lesser player can come in and help them be more consistent. Thats why the teams with those great players can add a player or two and take it to the next level its because they are starting with someone who is consistently great. Thats the 2004 all star game rosters Now no one back then was saying that if you took Kmart ,Magliore, and Michael Redd and put them on the same team that somehow they would be good enough to win a title . They would win games be a second rd team but everyone knows that there best is still not on the level of a Kobe and Shaq . It doesnt mean Redd,Kmart,Magliore suck and cannot be part of a title team it simply means they cannot be your 3 best players because there A game is not as good and they cant produce it as regularly as lets say a Kobe and Shaq or a Duncan Co . The Pistons won a title but they had a top 5 bigman in Wallace who was dominant defensively .His CONSISTENCY on the glass and defensively is what anchored those teams we simply dont get that level of consistency from anyone and we have to find someone who can give it to us .

The problem is this you equate Joe to Kareem or Magic or Dr J or KG when the fact is that no matter how you try and spin it Joe would be there sidekick . They would be the superstar and he would be the jamal wilkes. Joe aint a superstar so to keep saying he needs help is ridiculous there is no amount of help in the league that we can Joe sans BRINGING IN A SUPERSTAR AND PUSHING HIM DOWN TO THE THE SECOND OR 3RD OPTION HE IS . OF course the lakers had several guys who could step up but the facts are that Kareem and Magic were two of the most consistent players ever . You like to use KG but KG was first team all nba the fact is that if you gave 29-30 yr old KG a player of Al,Josh,jamals caliber along with a Zaza and even Marvin Williams he gets this team to the finals at least . Thats what the underlying problem really you keep trying to slide in that you think Joe is on the same caliber of player as these HOF players and hes simply not . Thats doest mean Joe sucks but that doesnt mean we should take on the ridiculous notion that we are somehow going to be able to build a championship team headlines with his inconsistency. Thats our problem we have 3 very good players who are very inconsistent and whose play varies from game to game between average to good with occasional glimpses of greatness thrown in . Kareem consistently great Magic consistently great KG consistently great Now when you have someone who can give you that game to game and then you can add someone else who can consistently just be GOOD well now you are working with something. We dont have anyone we can say brings there A game every game yet we somehow want to build a team around this ? I dont think Joe ,Al or Josh sucks but I also believe that weve seen enough of them to know that they are nearly consistent enough to be locked into the status that weve given them .

The fact that Diesel is actually trying to convince someone that Magic Johnson was not a superstar is some kinda bad joke . Isiah was a superstar Magic and Kareem were superstars Dr J was not a superstar ? KG was a superstar what ? lol roflmao It really is laughable but also at the same time sad that its come to this . You dont have to have a media darling but you arent sniffing a title unless you have someone playing at a elite(superstar) level consistently on your team . Pick your team and I can name someone who was playing as well as any superstar in the league when they won that title . We barely get all star level consistently.

Are you seriously referencing teams 25-30 years ago ? Cmon now you know I dont appluad josh I think I made it very clear that no one on this team should be untouchable . I was saying this last summer . I dont measure Joe with a lebron ruler I measure him with a TITLE ruler and he simply doesnt measure up but neither does anyone else on this squad . Now does that mean that I believe any of them suck ? heck no but I dont believe that any of our core players can lead us to a title from there current status on this team . You can try and spin that anyway you want but I doubt that you could find a nba exec that would is agree with me . Our core needs to all be slide down in status but we simply dont have the capabilities to get a player good enough to do it so we are stuck . Joe is the best hawk since Deke ....Did I miss something ? Did Deke bring us a title ? No he anchored a team that had a superstar on it to the finals though ........hmmm so much for that dont need a #1 superstar The bottomline is that in todays Nba you have to have someone who garners a certain level of respect and we dont have that player until we get that player we dont go any further .

I dont have a plan for a #1 option but while I think Joe is a good player he is no #1 option which is why I deem us to be screwed . We have a team full of #2 and #3 options .

and how is that different from anyone else on this team ?

We let Crawford go when we didnt offer him a extension there really is no decision to be made regarding him now. Kirk is not a scorer bringing him off the bench you better have 2-3 more guys on the bench that can play because one or two guys wont be able to fill the role that jamal played . Same thing goes for Teague.

but.. but hes a captain lol As a captain wouldnt you try and discourage that sort of behavior and try and steer the team in the right direction ?

so they finally both showed up for a Bulls game at the same time ....

Of course we would do it but no way would they do it . Marvin is not worth anything now and no one in the league is gonna give us a starting center for him .

Only players we can get on that list and i would even put it at under 20% chance is Calderon and Kleiza they would laugh us off the phone on any of those other deals. Marvin is at this point worth -0

the fact that that is what needs to happen pretty much is a smack in the face that changes need to be made . The fact that people will still be saying IF when talking about 3 best players pretty much says that changes real changes to the core of this team need to be made .