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But I still hate Clayton Bennett's group for moving this team to OKC (even know that the City of Seattle is paying for that mistake) but they are doing this without an 7'0 footer and if they ever get one, look out they will be contend for years to come.

But this does bring up a very good question, what happens when Al comes back from injury, I know that the reason that Josh is getting more touches because Al isnt there and Joe has been hurt as well. I think that ASG needs to address this issue during the offseason. But Josh does deserve some mention besides he is going to be a hot topic during the Draft.

HawksFan87, I never see any thing positive from him at all but seriously

D. Rose was the youngest MVP in history for a reason and there has been alot of better guards that didnt stop Rose at all either. Atleast Teague is trying and with Kirk back, he can learn from the defense side and he can have fresh legs when Kirk subs for him.

I think when Kirk comes back, I think that Hawks will try to get a True Center here if that means trading Al, then so by it

I think it was the way we lost in the playoffs last year. We lost last year, but by no means did we ever feel like Chicago was just dominant and we couldn't win. It gave us a lot of hope because Chicago was the best team by record last year. Also, the emergence of Teague. Right now, we ought to be 9-1. But even with 2 losses due to dumb mistakes, we still beat the Heat with Lebron and Wade and the Bulls. In the two games that we have played the Bulls, we are the last team that they should want to see in a best of 7. To go all the way however, we need D-12. Those rebounds, that defense, and scoring in the low post is a perfect fit for what we have... Who has been tweeting him?

I dont know but somebody needs to tweet him everyday about this.

For the Hawks, if this will might be the last year that core might stick together, i think they should pull out all the stops. Right now, the Hawks is playing a high level right now and adding one more person will push them over the ECSF hump, if that person is D-12, then go for it, besides Hawks might have a chance to be king in Atlanta (even know that CFB will always be king) and this is a perfect opportunity for Ownership to capitize on this chance.

But he was very funny and very truthful, that is how we fans feel right now about Atlanta teams.

Yes, he is a real deal and now if we get a true _______ then we will be good, I think.

If he resigned with us, then I would give up two of the three or just get creative with one of them.

Diesel, btw. Nets is probably have the worst deal for him right now. Besides, Magic has dealt with a foot injury before (Grant Hill) and it was bad, very bad for them. So Brook Lopez isnt going to make the brass of the Magic happy if he doesnt recover.

NJN might have to wait until off-season to get him, OKC might have a chance but Perkins fits them better there.

At the end, if he is wiling to sit down and willing to negoiate or re-sign with us, then pull the tigger on this trade. No more "Manning Trade".

First of all JJ and whoever they choose between Smith and Horford for Dwight straight do not work, Orlando should include another player to match salaries. If JJ goes to Orlando one of J Richardson and JJ Reddick should go. For me either Smith and JJ for Dwight and Redick or Smith, JJ and Hinrich for Dwight, Richardson and Duhon would be good. My preferences for the first one. Teague/Hinrich Redick/Green Marvin/TMac Horford/RadMan Dwight/Zaza/Collins For me this is an upgrade over what we have, Redick is a good shooter, Hinrich should have to backup SG and PG positions and Marvin should have to step up as he is doing on the wing to provide scoring BUT you have the best frontcourt on the NBA with Horford and Howars, both have at least 4-5 more years at full strength and we still mantain enough outside shooting and remember that SG and SF are the easiest positions to fill on the NBA. For me it's a no-brainer for Atlanta but I don't think Dwight would like to come here.

Buzzard,

There is no way we will give up both Horford and Smith for this deal. It is one or the other. No if, and, or buts with this. Besides who can replace if we send both of them to Orlando? With Al gone, Smith and Marvin is other fowards. Plus it is too risky for that, I think that Al should be the centerpiece and work from there, only Teague and Smith is only ones that wont be touch in this trade.

Yea, i would keep Hinrich so he can teach Teague alittle bit more. I am just guessing. Also we can do the three way trade as well.

I do not see JJs big deal as part of this at all. Orlando used their amnesty up on Arenas. If this rumor is true, JJs contract was probably a big deal breaker. Smoove and Horfs deal are much better deals from a team perspective.

But we are only give up one, Al or Smooth (Al, if he resigns or Smooth if he doesnt) but here is the difference between Arenas and Johnson. Johnson is still young and got couple of good years left plus Arenas did had a couple of bad injuries and didnt play for while for legal reason. JJ doesnt have to be in the deal but Otis Smith did sign Lewis to that big contact and then trade for another one. I wont put it pass him

But Hinrich will be pat of that deal, maybe and Green, I dont know.

I got three packages to throw out

#1

Al

JJ

KH contract

1st pick (2012/2014) - I know that we traded away the first round pick last year, so do we have to worry about the Danny Manning rule?

#2

AL

Marvin

Zaza

KH

Picks

#3

JS

KH

ZaZa

Pargo

Picks

If the Magic were inclined to do such a disasterous trade, I think it would have to be Smoove and Horford for Howard and Hedo. And even that may not be enough for them to deal with facing Howard so often in their own division.

Then again, you have to think, you will actually get lower value just because you are trading to out of conference foe, then the fans might want your head.

If I was Orlando, I will traded D12 to a team that will give me the best value regrads if they are in the same division or not, besides its a high possibity that D12 wont resigned, so they only have to face them only one season, so they will be fine.

I agreed with Diesel here,

So the basic question is: Are you going to trade to a team that value is much lower but not in your division/conference or trade to a division rival that has the best value for a trade.

Magic Leadership needs just to trade him and get it over with because it will hang over their heads the entire season and you can started the rebuilding process or contented for a playoff spot.

The Bucks traded Kareem out of conference.

The Magic traded Shaq out of conference

The 76ers traded Barkley out of conference

The Knicks traded Ewing out of conference

The Hawks traded Nique out of conference

There is a long history of HOF players being traded out of conference rather then within their own conference division.

Actually Shaq never was trade from Magic, he signed with the Lakers but he was traded to Heat. But sometimes, if you cant find value in any other deals, then you have to go to the best thing. Besides, the Lakers already have a thin frontline and give up Gasol and Bynum right now. God forbids what happens if D12 got into foul trouble. With those two If Bynum gets into foul trouble then Gasol takes over but with D12 you wont get that.

With Al and JJ, you get a very good value with a very young Center/PF that is from the area and can be a vocal point for the young Latinos that lives there and a vet SG that is in the Top 5 and All-Star every year.

I did read a article that stated Orlando was not looking to rebuild with picks so that makes a package of good players attractive; but I still do not think Orlando ships him to a division rival. I just do not see that. It would be like New Orleans trading Breeze to Tampa Bay. You just don't do that IMO. Howard will bring plenty of offers, including a possible Gasol and\or Bynum one from LA.

But LA has already say that they WILL NOT trade Gasol and Bynum for D12. But here is what I see, each day that that trade doesnt happen, they are going to be losing more value, period. Besides, Hawks deal is almost better than Lakers because Gasol is much older and Bynum is always injured and Orlando needs more than. Actually trades does happen with Division rival (think Orland and Washington last year). Right now, the best value is Atlanta, Chicago and LA. For us, if he signed the ext, then we can send them Horford (Actually fits better in Orlando offense) and others.

That is true but if JJ was traded, they will probably have the cap room to resigned Josh plus we got the anmesty card as well for instant cap room if need.

My feeling about this, if D12 is willing to sign a ext to play here, then do the trade but we cant be like that other trade that i wont even speak of(it still hurts my heart after so many years). I know that Sund want to pull an blockbuster before he ride off into the sun. I know its risky but the rewards is greater and our goal is getting to ECF and beyond.

Also you have to remember 76ers is a very dangerous young team even the Bucks with Captain Jack, will be better, PG or not, we just cant defeat those teams at the top.

Man, relax a little. We have a good team. Enjoy

A good team that been stuck on second round in the last three years. Unless you like stuff like that(I hope you dont), We need to get to the ECF, and be honest with yourself. Can you see this team beating Chicago, Miami, Boston or even Knicks.

But that was the main focus of this trade, we could put more there but was the major pieces.

Yea, I don't get why people are up in arms regarding these two comments. The comments are so non-committal anyway.

He's just saying that the Hawks would like to stay under the cap but would go over if the reward was worth the cost.

And what is this reward? Believe me, they would probably go over for DH but who else?

I am thinking that Rick Sund and ASG thinks we are idiots and willing to hear that this crap. I think they are just want to go to the playoff and that is it. We will never get to the ECF ever.

Do you think that we might have a chance to sneak in and get Paul?(Even know that he will leave for FA next year)

Well, now that is the 60 million dollar question

Besides, we got some very good assets, it just that ASG is scared of that LT plus I believe that they didnt want to go through the same problems that happened a long time ago, when the last Hawks team core was traded away (Smith, Mookie and other)

Ditto for me,

It is hard sometimes, you know. Hawks has been my team since 6 years old, looking it with my Dad. I dont want to change my loyality but ASG is really push it for me.

He was using the trade to his advantage...Get out of here really? He said he would not extend w/ certain teams so they would not make offers..He is not gonna be able to join the Lakers because of their cap situation-further more the Warriors offer was far superior to this garbage

Yep, I have to agreed with savwboy, you have to remember that every rumor came out, one of his CPIII teams said that he wont extend or resign with that time. Natural, made it so diffcult to trade him because all of the teams in that race wouldn't give them maximum value for it (That is the reason why we didnt offered Teague from him).

To quote Vince "Chris screwed Chris" or to bluntly "His Team screw Chris"

I think its was a veto, but not too sure. I understand how people is feeling about this. I was thinking about this all night and I feel like they should done the trade at first, but then reality hits me, Lakers was not only getting the youngest player in this trade but saving over 40 mil in salaries, keep their main asset, all of their draft picks as well. When Williams was trade to Nets, the Nets gave up a ton more than Fakers. So I can understand about that.

So at the end, I am netural about this. Besides if you look at all the trade proposals for Paul, the Lakers fail to compare to the Warriors, Clippers, and Hawks deals.