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The one positive is Okoro's FT shooting is typical freshman bad. It's not, terrible shooter bad like Josh Jackson and Bembry as a freshman. It's going to be fun developing this kid. He is so advanced in a number of ways compared to the average freshman NBA prospect and so raw in areas where most kids have a level of advancement. Skill development will be key with this one.

He's able to shoot now.

I was surprised I was higher on R.J. at one point over Booker but I had to remember. Booker was literally the 7th best player on Kentucky's roster that season even if he was one of the most talented. I didn't see the skills I saw in the NBA and I moved him up when I saw his workouts footage. That squad hid the real KAT from us as well.

IT was just a scorer, Al was the best player. Kyrie didn't even play in those playoffs. He was the best player and most important leading factor for the Hawks making our first ECF in Atlanta in our Atlanta history. Why do we feel the need to dog out Al because he's not this statistical monster, he's an impact monster.

If shooting never comes around. I am not sure. Scottie Pippen is an example of a player where he was a shit shooter for almost six seasons and it finally came around. Shooting usually comes around for the ones who can score without shooting. It's the ones who can't where shooting never comes around because they can't buy space otherwise. Jimmy Butler is currently averaging 20ppg shooting 24% from three. I think you gotta be able to score without shooting otherwise, you will end up like MKG who was also hurt by injuries.

Cam is a natural sharp. Okoro is not a PDS player. He is a movement specialist with a great frame, first step for his size, motor, straight-line ball handling and an excellent perimeter defensive prospect. His jump shot is his hindrance at this time.

I guess I am not as scared because of his movement, athleticism, size, strength, defensive versatility, passing abilities, first step, straight line dribble drive, and finishing ability. I wasn't going this say this because, he does have a better natural form but Bembry might have been just as good of a shooter as a prospect as Isaac. This will scare Hawks fans because we all know Bembry is known for being a can't shoot guy in the NBA. I just have to say, this kid can move and he's not poorly framed for this style of play like Culver is in MIN either. I see the issues. I do. I am not a believer he will shoot mid-range shots in his career but with his finishing ability, movement, and straight-line dribble-drive. I think he can create space even without it. I honestly like him better with someone like Trae because if you are always moving, Trae will always catch you but he gotta do something with that jumper. At least get it to a reasonable level.

Whoa, by year away, I mean a year away from being able to produce. Not a year away from reaching his offensive ceiling. I think he's a 2 year project if developed correctly. His ceiling is high because of his movement ability, BBIQ, intangibles, simply passing ability, first step for his size, and his strength. I keep saying this but he really reminds me of Iggy. Not quite the on ball player as a prospect but more movement ability. Jimmy Butler is a popular comparison because defensively, as prospects, their mirror images. As athletes as well not to mention size and strength but Okoro is younger. But honestly, he doesn't shoot the ball anywhere near as good as Jimmy and he's not the playmaker Jimmy was as a prospect. What Okoro has over all both of them is movement ability. He can move his ass off.

Stop it! Let's not get absolutes with any prospect at this stage of their careers as it could be noise. But 1% in contested C&S, how many did he take and since he has that prospect Cam Reddish wonkiness going on, I am not surprised. Cam also struggled greatly with contested C&S as well as a prospect. Abit, never that bad.

I would love to see your charts. It's really is to have misses when you put yourself out there. That goes for anyone. It's really easy to have none when you don't.

LOL, a non-shooter. I will say he has good footwork and his shot is not broken but he got a lot of prospect Cam Reddish going on with shooting wonkiness without a being a sharp that Cam is. He's going to take awhile. I don't care what anyone says. I really think he's a year away on offense to me. He just doesn't have the level of shooting needed for a NBA wing. What he does have is he's a good player and talented with a great body and athleticism. This would work so much better in 2004 draft than in 2020. Shooting is literally the most important skill. If you got the wonkiness of prospect Cam with the shooting of prospect Prince. It's gonna take awhile. I think he will be a 10th man on an average bench. Unplayable on a great one. 7th man on awful one like ours last year. https://theathletic.com/1991892/2020/08/14/2020-nba-draft-college-coaches-poll-should-isaac-okoro-be-the-top-wing/ My personal big board: 10th overall My personal Hawks BB: 3rd overall Hawks draft BB: 5th overall

Yes, the FA class is weaker than the draft class this year which is odd but it is. There are some quality pieces out there but almost all of them are locked into returning or going into situations where they can be considered part of their future and core. That's something Atlanta and TS is pushing to player agents but I am hearing agents aren't biting. Atlanta has a good reputation in how they treat people but our issue is we are too invested in young players who others in the league believe can be good players. Another issue is where we are weak, we got Trae and JC starting. We are weak on the wings too and we have realistic rotation mins available but the issue there is, this is the weakest part of both FA/draft in 2020. Guys like Bazemore are littered and guys like Joe Harris are not and are coveted. I hate to say this, but I feel like Charlotte has a blighter path to getting FAs this year and even worse, the Knicks are expected to be a superteam to get FAs this summer due to their cap and only having 2 players (3 including the draft) they will consider their core pieces. Sucks but this is why team building is NOTHING like NBA2k. Money is great to have but our issue isn't money, we can overspend and sign non-impact players to big deals but does that help us get closer to our goal or does that just New York Knick us as they learned last year. You got to sign impact players. Dallas taught us that, NYK taught us what not to do. Signing Bobby Portis, Taj Gibson, Randle, and others was a terrible Basketball move. The only good BBALL move NYK made was stealing Marcus Morris from SAS to sign him. That was a impact signing, he didn't provide high impact but he provided impact. Something the others couldn't do. Even with the cap possibility going down from 115 to 109, we are talking about 6 teams that could be over the LT and for sure 5 who will (GS, PHI, BOS, BRK, HOU). Of those teams, Houston are just barely over the LT. They will get clever as usual to wiggle their way out of it. GS will be obviously over and they know it. I was told, no one of key importance is available. PHI - Horford and Scott, Boston - Kanter, Brooklyn - Prince. So these are the potential causalities. Which one appeals to you? For me, Scott is slightly overpaid and I am not sure he would add value to this squad. Kanter is an obvious no, not for a squad with Kev, JC, and Trae. Prince, do you want him back at that new contract where's he's overpaid and we know his impact is merely average? Horford is the only high impact guy on the list but he's also insanely overpaid for his age as well. We or anyone who trades for him will need a major sweetener. LOL, I disagree. This ain't no playoff team, healthy or not. We don't know how to win. Capela will help but his fit with JC is a concern. I am sky high that Cam will produce and maybe be a good player like Michael Porter Jr. but I doubt he will be a key impact next year. MPJ doesn't have much impact on wins and losses yet for DEN. I am more sure that Hunter will be more of an impact and I am pretty sure Kevin won't be much of an impact as usual. This looks and feels like a starting lineup of a 40 win team. The bench looks like a 20 win team bench with the only blight side being Kevin or Cam. Obviously, it's a lot easier to add decent bench pieces than starting pieces but if Atlanta does match their starting quality this year, they could be in some serious trouble. Look at our comp: Toronto/Philly/Brooklyn/Boston/MIL/MIA/IND should all be over .500 next year. That means here is us: ORL/CHI/WAS/CHA/Us/CLE/NY Clearly done before they start: DET ORL - starting worth 44 wins as a squad. Without Isaac 42 wins. That's .500 play. They have the strongest bench of all teams not projected to go over .500 and would be projected to go over .500 if they had JI for next year. CHI - They are worth 36 wins right now. They are on the same level as us. 35 win starting lineup with a 30 win bench. Like us, they have pieces off the bench they love like Coby White who they are expecting a jump from. The difference between us and them is with can add a lot more, they really are limited outside of the draft and trades. WAS - This is the team I am most high on. Projections see them as a 35 win team but I see them at 40 wins. I believe Wall will help them tremendously and their depth will make more sense with Ish/Bertrans and others. Them landing a player like OO or Wiseman could help them considering their style of play. This is the team that has the talent. Their bench players are growing too. Wagner, Bonga, and Robinson are on their way to being rotational. CHA - I am not high on this team. I think this is team will regress and they did in the 2nd half as their style stop catching people off guard. They have some players who can be good starters but their bench just isn't impactful enough. Adding someone like Baynes could help them. Projections see them as a 24 win team. I do too. CLE - I am higher on CHA as a fit but projections like CLE talent a lot more, just not their bench as of yet. 25 win team but they land Toppin, you just never know. this could be a better team than people think. NY- This off-season like ours is largely based on what they are going to do. They have a lot of money and only three core pieces. They will be wanted and active. Projections see them as a 21 win team right now but like Atlanta, they have options to improve. I remember CHI fans being like we are so close. Just last year around this time, SAC felt they had next after several key signings. A year later, they are looking like they are going to be the 2nd worst team in the West behind MIN who's projected at 39 wins. 3 more wins than us. LOL, the worst West team is projected to have three more wins than us and when you look at MIN, they are better than us too. We need players who have quality impact. We got a lot of talent, we don't have a lot of impact players. We really don't have any high impact players at all outside of Trae and he's a flawed high impact player as he's an elite positive in one section and one of the worst in the other. We need better players, vets in particular who can make the youngins better and not just put of numbers.

I would agree with you on that. It is way too much money for those minutes no matter who it is. I disagree with Horford not being great anymore. He still has great impact maybe he isn't a 32-34 player anymore but that's the case with a lot of players his age and level. Most like Sap and Gasol are playing 24-26 mpg. He's playing 30-31 right now. LOL, I like Dedmon and he's a good backup center. Overpaid clearly but a good backup center but Dedmon ain't an impact player in the slightness. Outside of Trae Young, the only one close is JC and his impact has dwindled since teams schemed our PnR with him and Trae and limited it to some degree for us. If we want to make the playoffs, Kevin/or/Hunter/or/Cam and a bunch of guys won't cut it. AT ALL! I disagree. I think adding a 1st is worthwhile, especially as we can use it to move up to get our targeted PG. If we had better alternatives, I agree, we should take those instead of Horford/1st 2020 pick but what I am telling is, our options aren't that enamoring. TS and LP really don't have two seasons. They only have this one and if this goes well next season to know if they will continue to along for the journey. They need to be smart this year. TS has the cap space and even by adding Horford, we still have a tremendous amount of flexibility heading into 2021 barring another global pandemic.

Boston went to two ECFs with him as their best f***ing player and wanted to keep him but Philly offered him 27 million. That's what happened in Boston. Al's been productive in Philly especially of late. He has been their best player in the bubble since Embiid hasn't been himself and Ben's been hurt over Harris and Richardson. The hump for them is a f***ing NBA championship, we are just trying to have a winning team and make the playoffs. Our goals aren't the same and our cap and roster construction isn't either. Our capologist can easily make this work financially. Please speak for yourself if you don't want this to work. I'll take him. He's worth the price of admission to me and I think he will be massive for us as well. Underrated move for us if we got him and a 2020 1st.

I went back and reviewed my notes, R.J. dropped down big time by the time of the draft. On my notes around the draft. Oubre was the one I wanted the most available around 15. I hope ya'll look at my posts closer to the draft then months before. In 2018, I had Trae at 24 in March, by June, I wanted him after Luka at #3. Let's please quote my posts from around June when it comes to drafts please. Ya'll like to cherry pick opinions around March where shit isn't as fluid. I don't have the workout details or nothing from people I trust to give me that this person could work in the NBA. I got info on R.J. that he wasn't looking like he's going to translate all that well into the NBA in June, even before Summer League took place and adjusted my board for that. I knew Booker was high on my board. I was wondering where you saw I said that but I found the posts where I did but from March. I need the workout details. Some guys just translate and some don't be the workouts help. That's why they are so critical.

Toppin was already gone by his post.

Okoro for me Haliburton would be a close 2nd at this time

Which Gasol has no chance of coming to Atlanta. Why? Its obvious why. 1. He's in a starting role 2. On a contender in a leadership role 3. On a team where he's used great If Al's contract was in that range, he would still be in Boston and he wouldn't be on the market at all as his current market rate is 18 million at this stage. Common sense should prevail on this site sometimes. I like Horford so much because what he does for your team in terms of winning and making everyone around him better. It's not like I like to like him. I don't like anyone to like them. I don't think LeBron is the best because he's 6'9 or I would think all 6'9 basketball players is the best. I like him because he's better than any other player I've seen. I don't like Magic Johnson as the best PG because he has a nice smile, its because he's the best PG I've ever seen. Come on man, you ask me to be reasonable, make reasonable points. Honestly, the only part I agree with is the part where you said 28 million is too much for a backup center. That I agree with but Al Horford is another starter. He's not a backup center impact wise. Considering our youth, our contracts status, what's available on the market via trade or FA, the value he brings, our goals, and our system. I see Al as a potential option for us to take.

I felt he was a much better passer in year 2. His natural PGing declined and I want to see him stop yoloing so much like Marbury Jr.

Which is where we disagree. I think there is a strong chance we can see Horford in Atlanta. Why? Because it makes sense considering what we lack, our current goals, and his fit for us. Not to mention, his contract comes attached with a nice asset. While there is no chance Gasol is coming to Atlanta from Toronto which you already know that. This is your way of saying Al has zero chance of coming to Atlanta in your opinion. Unlike you, I have an exceptionally high view of Al and if you don't, I understand for whatever reason, just know I don't agree with them. This doesn't mean I think it's highly likely. Just based on our economics and what's available, he becomes a quality option.

Would Marc want to leave a starting situation on a contender where he just recently won a title to come off the bench in Atlanta? As I said, realistically, there are only so many moves we can make based on real availability. Vets in great situations are extremely likely to stay in there situation.

No he's not. That's a shitty hot take and one I would never say to a serious Basketball person. It shows a compete lack of understanding when it comes to impact and current status. Is Boogie even as good as trash like Whiteside at this stage much less near guys like Ibaka? Guys like Marc Gasol and Al Horford are a thousand tiers ahead of Boogie right now in terms of helping you win games and making your team better

This is true but what you have to remember is, we have to look at the reality of what we need and what's available. Ideally, we could use Giannis but is Giannis available and does he want to come to Atlanta? Ideally, there are players higher on their tier list than Al due to his age and contract status but are those players available to us? Shit, I would love to add Buddy Hield to our bench to rotation or even Evan Fournier from a talent perspective. But it's about asset cost and availability

I have no issues getting Millsap. He's another high impact player. Obviously, my preference is Al but you give us Sap, Harrell, Horford, aka someone of high impact that's a vet, I am fine with it. No complaints for me. That's your opinion, my opinion say otherwise. We agree to disagree.

I disagree. He was elite in terms of impact. He lead the Hawks to their first ECF since Pettit. He lead Boston to back to back ECF appearances and took it to LeBron but he's not elite. Get the f*** outta here man, you know how I feel about Horford. I almost feel you are insulting my intelligence when you go at his impact and presence on the game. Brad Stevens knows. NBA coaches throughout the league knows. Travis knows. Elton knows. I know. Sorry if you don't.