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20 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I admire your patience cuz the goal post is about to do the electtical slide.

Eggsactly.   That's why I bowed out.

And, on a note that's as equally relevant as KB's antitank crisade, did you know what the Electric Slide song is actually about?

I blushed when I found out.   Just nasty.

10 is Huerter.

7 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

There are some serious issue that need to be dealt with if you are correct in your interpretation

No, that's not my interpretation.  That's what KB is saying they're doing.  Wild speculation meant to support his ludicrous positions.

That's alllll KB.  Don't put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby.

1 minute ago, Peoriabird said:

This sounds like it is your dream for them to lose and not the Team's.  Maybe you want your prediction of 18 wins to be right so bad that you continue to push this narrative that the team wants to lose at all cost even though there is no evidence to support you claims.

Yeah.  Now he's saying they're identifying weaknesses ... to display those weaknesses in order to lose games.  They're diabolical geniuses now.  Dead set on losing.  SMH

Just now, KB21 said:

Eh, no.  I'm not going to.  Not when the development of these young players is on the line.

You're becoming a caricature, KBT.

1 minute ago, KB21 said:

The question I have is this.  Are the coaches actually going to work on these issues, or are they going to use these issues as their means of losing games this year to prop up the front office's desire to get a high draft pick?  Because if you actually work on the issues such as Trae's shot selection and Tyler's ball stopping tendencies, then you may win a few more games than Travis wants to win.

Stahhp

More Hawk-related press from summer league ...

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/summer-league-ends-teams-taking-130133397.html

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But what do teams — their coaches, scouts, and GMs — take away from Las Vegas?

A baseline.

“It’s just benchmarks for the guys,” new Hawks’ coach Lloyd Pierce told NBC Sports in Las Vegas. “I got bear cubs right now. I saw Omari (Spellman) at Villanova, but I hadn’t touched him. I saw Trae (Young) at Oklahoma, but I hadn’t touched him. Kevin (Huerter) I still haven’t touched (hand surgery).

“So we have a couple areas with Trae, and we have a couple areas with John Collins and a couple areas with Tyler Dorsey where we say, ‘you know what, I know what we need to work on.’ More will come, but at least I have a starting point, and we can have a conversation now.”

That conversation is about how much more work needs to be done.

10 minutes ago, Vol4ever said:

I think Bud did a good job.  He had nothing to do with the tear down.  He is a coach that wants to win.  I doubt not one head coach would have taken this job after the owner and GM lit a match to the roster. 

Why were we in the position of having to light that match?

.... could it have been because of the horrible job done by the President of Basketball Ops.?

He did a good job?

8 minutes ago, AHF said:

Other teams doomed for the rest of existence:

Cavs tanked shamlessly over a 4 year period between LeBron's departure and return.  The team's reputation was in tatters and no free agent would even consider signing for them.  It brought an end to their long history of playoff success and their play ever since represents a new low for the city of Cleveland.

Houston tanked shamelessly from 2011-13 setting a new low in wins over a 3 year period since the Mets of the 1960's.  This shameful display doomed them and their fans forever.

2011-12 Golden State Warriors tanked shamelessly shutting down Steph Curry and David Lee (both with "injuries" like Baze's last year) and dealing Monta Ellis for someone who wouldn't play.  This enabled them to keep their lottery pick due to its protection and forever tainted the franchise.

https://thebiglead.com/2012/04/10/golden-states-tank-job-to-retain-its-lottery-pick-is-going-swimmingly/

https://sports.yahoo.com/former-warriors-executive-golden-state-200052629.html?src=rss

http://www.businessinsider.com/golden-state-warriors-nba-tanking-2013-5

The Chicago Cubs brought in a new GM who tanked shamelessly in 2012 and 2013, forever tarnishing the franchise and destroying their dreams of success.  After so many championships before the tanking, the Cubs fans were furious about this betrayal of their trust and have never shown any interest in the team since then.

 

Nooooo, you're doing it wrong AH.  You're supposed to find a situation you think failed and use that as your example.  You gotta ignore any of them that looked like success stories.

That's how you push an 'agenda'.

18 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Tanking culture.  Get used to it.  This is the Hawks future.

Oh, we're hiring Colangelo then we're having his wife use burner accounts to criticize folks?

Staaahhhhp

Everybody can see your agenda hangin' out from under your shirt.

Remember that weird story of the criminal ring that had Hawks season tickets.  Seems we have that demographic on lock.  Makes me look at the rest of y'all in a different light. #ShadyFans

I'm also tracking to see who hasn't posted in a while.  Surely this guy is a squawker.

31 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

I know CLE is a big loser this offseason but PHI is a close second.  Lost their GM, botched a draft-day trade of a hometown favorite, lost all the shooting that made them dangerous down the stretch, missed out on Lebron and all the other "stars" they claimed they were hunting.  Now this?

5 minutes ago, KB21 said:

https://theathletic.com/434312/2018/07/17/timberwolves-summer-league-josh-okogie-keita-bates-diop-breaking-down-first-steps/

Here is you a Josh Okogie article for the trouble.

Ah, that's nice of you.

Here's some MissSt football highlights for you in return ...

5 minutes ago, StephenHawking said:

How was a rebuild possible after the poor job Bud did as a president 

I'm with you here.  People act like Buttz was justified in walking away from the tear-down.

Well .. a tear-down was necessary because of the poor job he did as President.  To me, he basically lit a match and threw it in on the couch.  Then ran once it was time to put out the resulting 5-alarm fire.

7 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I hate it when letters disappear.

Awright ... ok ... we'll let you off the hook this time.  But you're getting squint-eye treatment for a while. 

A bit of good press ...

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/07/17/las-vegas-summer-league-winners-losers-lakers-lebron-james

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WINNER: TRAE YOUNG

Young (17 PPG, 6.8 APG) was pilloried for his poor shooting at the Utah Summer League, but his critics spoke too soon and too loudly. The No. 5 pick rebounded in Las Vegas with some nice showings, and he emerged as the event’s best pure passer. While Young’s shot selection crosses the border from acceptable to aggravating far too often, his knack for collapsing defenses and finding teammates in traffic make him a tough cover in the half-court. A constant threat to pull up in transition, Young must learn to resist his immediate impulse to shoot when left open, as he often finds higher-quality looks when he is patient ......

1 minute ago, KB21 said:

https://theathletic.com/atlanta/

Jeff Shultz will be the senior writer writing about all Atlanta sports.  Dave O'Brien, Nubyas Wilborn, and Tori McElhaney will be covering the Braves.  Chris Kirschner will be covering the Hawks, Georgia Tec, and more.  

What TF is a Georgia "Tec"?

Do you ... hate me, KBT?

20 minutes ago, StephenHawking said:

There is no dismay. Don't construct something that's not there. 

I simply find it confusing how one off season changed the view of the nearly the entire fanbase on Dennis. 

I'm ready to move on because we have Trae now but I don't understand all those blame assignments and shitting on him. 

You presume I was talking about you.  I wasn't.

16 minutes ago, StephenHawking said:

Essentially he said the Hawks value Dennis higher than the offerings do. That means there's a market. Please elaborate what I misinterpretated 

As @AHF said, there's a 'market' for everyone.  If that "market" requires us to attach good assets then, in our tanking scenario, that's no market at all.

You positioned your comments as if there are good offers for Dennis and the Hawks are just choosing not to take them.  I think most of us are saying a Dennis trade right now would likely require us to participate in a trade that's not advantageous to the Hawks.

IOW, effectively, there is no market for Dennis right now.

12 minutes ago, AHF said:

There is a market for everyone.  There is a market for Plumlee if we attach some picks to him even though he is the definition of a high paid, low impact player.  To me, the key issue is whether we want to shop him (the answer seems to be a definite "yes") and, if so, what we are willing to take.  The range of offers go from "I'll take your bad contract and give you cash and picks" to "you give me cap relief, cash and picks."  There is an ocean of room in between where the parties need to meet at a point for a trade to happen.

Eggsactly.

13 minutes ago, AHF said:

So everyone agrees Atlanta has been shopping Dennis and the “fake news or not fake news” discussion is around the value or lack thereof the Hawks are willing to take back?

Nah, we're discussing the merits and pitfalls of tanking ... oh wait, that's every other thread.  My bad. 

Yeah, it seems the Hawks are trying to move him.  Much to the obvious dismay of our German contingent.

15 minutes ago, StephenHawking said:

Shams Charania or whatever his name is. He is one of the most reliable reporters around the nba

You are misrepresenting what Charania actually reported ... which was nothing basically.

19 minutes ago, thecampster said:

We lost to Lebron multiple times and should/would have gone to the finals in the 60 win year. Its hard to criticize the 10 year playoff team when you ran into Lebron and the nba preferred matchups back to back years with good teams.  They won 3 series between the 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons only to be swept both years by Lebron and the Cavs. There was no way the NBA was allowing the Hawks to go to the finals during that season. The series was extremely physical (Matthew Dellavedova diving at legs, Al's ejection).

 

Ok, I'm not doing that.  No matter what you choose to believe, the NBA doesn't script out the playoffs.

Should we have maxed out Millsap because, if Lebron wasn't there, he would've been Finals MVP ... we think?  Hmmmm, I think Mike Scott would've balled out in the Finals, if Lebron hadn't beaten us.  Let's re-sign him to a max deal too.  Sure he's not worth it but, hey, he would've been great in the Finals (... we think).

We also lost to the Pacers and Wizards during this epic(sic) run.  Do we leave those years out because they don't match the 'NBA is the WWE' narrative?

5 hours ago, thecampster said:

Actually, subtract Lebron from the East and it would have gotten us at least one ECF.  Lebron ruined everyone's life for the last 8 years. 

I don't know what this means.  Do we give ourselves credit for a Finals appearance**?

Let's deal with reality, not made-up scenarios.

** If Lebron was never born.

31 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Did we have a great culture???  If we did, why didn't we have ease bringing in free agents. 

The only time that we have had a true culture shift since Nique was when we had Ferry calling the shots.  And even he made mistakes in how he signed talent.

You're saying a lot of stuff here but I'm not following the overall point you're trying to make.

3 minutes ago, StephenHawking said:

It's actually the top post on the Hawks reddit 

No I totally got that right

I think you're misconstruing.  Nowhere in that story does it suggest there's a fervent market for Dennis.  This is all it says about him ...

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As Young takes the reigns as the Hawks’ point guard of the future, Dennis Schröder’s future will come into question more and more as the offseason continues. There has been pressure for the Hawks’ management to ensure value arrives in a Schröder trade, and the franchise simply won’t trade below his value. Atlanta lost dependable shooter Marco Belinelli via contract buyout during the season without receiving a return before the trade deadline. Center Dewayne Dedmon has also emerged as a veteran player who could attract interested suitors.

https://sports.yahoo.com/trae-young-shaking-off-early-summer-league-demons-step-franchise-star-role-135407432.html

To trade Dennis right now, we would have to add an asset.  That's an untenable situation and totally explains why they haven't traded him yet.

12 minutes ago, StephenHawking said:

I'm with my phone and it's a pain in the a** to look for it and copy and paste it. I'm pretty sure it was Shams who reported it.

It sounds like you could be misconstruing something you read.  Dennis is pretty toxic right now and I say that as a Dennis fan.

5 minutes ago, KB21 said:

That culture got the Hawks to the Eastern Conference finals, and had they decided not to tank, they would be in the drivers seat in the East this coming year.  Unlike some of you, I don't consider what the Hawks have done the past 10 years to be nothing.  I consider what they did this past season to be an atrocity though.

You are lying to yourself.

And, in doing so, you are breaking up the KBTkg01 alliance. 

3 minutes ago, sturt said:

@NBASupes, hard to see it... a lot of things would have to come together for that to happen. Not impossible. But very unlikely, imo.

 

Agreed.

Also, why didn't you just name yourself 'strut'?