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Perhaps lol They did do it, but you have to consider which teams we played and their injury/covid situation + all the other factors that you can't quantize. But sure, I do definitely agree John Collins is instrumental to winning us basketball games, no question there. I just question his true impact Fair enough, but it's the only sample we have. I mean, you can just look at who Trae's PnR partner is mostly. His role has definitely been reduced and that's why he's not averaging 20/10 right now. I'm sure there are stats to back this up, but im feeling lazy lol, ill give it to you. And here is where I have issue. .600 is a TEAM stat. I want to see what measurable impact John had on that .600 number, and why it would be difficult to replicate his production. The .600 number is not a basketball reason about John Collins value, and again, his being injured in the playoffs definitely took out of being able to win because it was compounded with Clint being out/injured. I really would like to see more numerical reasons or even anecdotal statements about John's game and it being difficult to replace. Currently you point to our record and this playoff series, but I don't thinks a good justification of Johns abilities. Ahh you're right, I thought you were referencing off court chemistry, apologies for that. Trae definitely has good chemistry with John as a PnR partner, but that chemistry shouldn't be a blocker in trading John if we can field a replacement as good or better than him. I am of the opinion Trae Young could run an elite PnR with any caliber big man, John just happens to be a good caliber big that benefits from Trae's abilities. Not diminishing John here, just saying Trae gives him a big boost, but I think Trae can replicate this production with anyone. And to this last point, I am not worried about John being traded because Travis has said that he wants a starter level player for John at the very least. To me, John being traded is nothing to worry about, because anyone he gets traded for will be worth it. If TS was gonna trade John for nothing, he would have done so a while ago, so him being replaced with someone as good or better is just a pre-requisite to having this discussion in my mind Also, thank you for the response. I truly love discussing on the Squawk

I think KD will play as long as his body allows. The NBA is on a different level of competition than any other league, and guys like KD wanna be there as long as possible imo. Totally saying this based on nothing but KD's love of the game, but I can see him playing till 38-39 if he doesn't get injured again. Not getting injured again is probably a decent bar to level though

Are we gonna see a JC for Simmons trade today? Trae/Murray/Hunter/Simmons/Clint lineup is a pretty bad shooting situation, I hope there are other moves planned if do get Ben. Murray and Simmons can replace JC's rebounding/defensive responsibilities, but I'm not sure Nate has the creative offensive ability to maximize a non-traditional lineup like we'll potentially have. 1- Can shoot 2- Can poorly shoot 3- Can mediocrely shoot 4- lol 5-lol

My crystal ball shows at least 2/3 of John/Clint/Bogi getting traded this off season, so we see

come on Atlanta, make a move for the people

I think Kevin ultimately gets to Miami and we have a crazy divisional rival. Gotta get Ben to lock him up

Getting Simmons for cheap in this frenzy would be the best move imo. We have a strong home grown roster rn, would hate to gut it

KD on his way to another top team

Only argument i could see is we'd gut our whole team, and Trae Murray Durant is a crazy core, I don't think the rest of the roster holds up if we trade JC, OO, Hunter, Huerter.

I understand your position, but you're making more of an emotional argument instead of presenting facts. Was JC solely responsible for this record we had? No, and comparing that best case record to what actually happened is a little disingenuous as John was healthy during that 6-16 period. Last season we went 7-2 without John, and this season we went 17-11 without him. We're obviously not intending to start the season without any Pf's so saying John and Danilo being gone is bad yes, if it's a vacuum and we have no replacements. The fact of the matter is, John has been in a diminished role ever since Clint came, and there's a reason he's expendable. If there are legitimate basketball reasons John Collins leaving is worse than whatever his replacement will bring, I would love to hear it. But broad brush strokes aren't real reasons for me, winning will absolve any chemistry issues, and we can definitely win with John on the roster, but we've seen we can win without him. If you bring up last year's playoffs, can't ignore Clint being out.

Unfortunate he didn't get to play more, seemed pretty solid whenever he got a chance. His next team should be getting him for cheap and will be surprised at just how good he is. Should've taken every Lou minute this year. Also, is Cooper looking like Trae's backup this year? Because that would work out pretty well offensively. Defensively, can't get much worse than Trae...

I actually think defense is less than %50 of the game, cause people can miss wide open shots with no defense being played, so I'd say it's more tilted like 60/40

Trae played off ball with Mpj on his Aau team, and Ray has been saying Trae wants to play more offball. Don't think this is an issue

What production from Collins do you expect we'll miss? We'll definitely miss his shooting, but spending $25 mil on a stretch 4 when they don't get used all that well doesn't really make a lot of sense. Whatever we do to replace John, I'm not really worried about the team falling off much from losing him. He's a great complimentary piece, and perhaps if we had a bigger and stronger defensive 5, John could be a core piece, but he's shown that he's not necessary for us to win games. JC the person is wonderful and I never want him to leave, JC the player is good, but has to be on a team where his strengths are amplified, and it's not really fair to him to keep making him play some limbo role where he doesn't have things called for him. My point being, I think we are fine if we trade him, fine if we don't. We get some more flexibility that Travis and Landry can use to fill out the roster, or we can run it back hoping for good health + Murray. My only concern with running it back is how unhealthy this team is, and trying to hope we can avoid the random tweaks and wear and tear of the season is unrealistic

Who would we want from those teams that's a win now player? Heat: Bam (Not happening, and other heat players aren't worth john imo) Kings: Kings want Barnes probably, I'd only want Sabonis for John Jazz: ??? I hope we don't make some silly trade of John just for the sake of making one. I really don't know what a good return player for him would be. Perhaps Harrison Barnes and the Kings pick next year? The pick would probably be pretty high knowing that franchise... and we'd have money to spend.

Wow ton of stuff, crazy Atl has a superstar with pull to get another star. Thank you v much for the updates sir

But it gives us a chance to build around a superstar while we have him, a couple of years of poverty 4 years out is worth it if we win a championship, which this roster Travis is building is certainly shaping up positively

Call me what you want (what you really really want) but there is a chance this does work

Also, nice to know we still have our pick next year in the stacked draft

Ayton for 4/100 next pls

Wow, what a great value trade for us. Let's F********** goooooo AND WE STILL HAVE JC

Another 15 min? Im gonna be sick

Trae wanting to play with Capela doesn't mean he doesn't want to play with Ayton. Trae prolly just has a good relationship with Capela and didn't want to hear he was %100 gone. I think this trade works well for everyone