Squawkers Hawksquawk Posted November 16, 2010 Squawkers Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 (The editorial staff has seen fit to promote this post from the FanPosts area due to its relevant content) Recently there has been some discussion on the value of Zaza versus Collins, much of which was driven by the fact that the Hawks lack sufficient depth at the SF position thus somewhat forcing Larry Drew to go big for the few games Williams and Evans were out (editor's note: Really? There has? I need to take less vacations). While I, myself, am in favor of Zaza getting the nod over Collins should we need to go big again, others have stated that Zaza provides nothing on defense or lacks the skills needed to handle the low post effectively. I wanted to get this up during the discussion, but things (cough, work, cough) conspired against me. Below are a few numbers I pulled from Basketball Reference and HoopData. I hope to illustrate the value of Zaza relative to the value of Collins from a purely unbiased data point of view. Plain and simple, these are the numbers and it's up to the reader to decide what they want to take from them. Let's jump! Quickly, Zaza is easily better than Collins in just about every category that exists. Zaza's PER is 16.7 to Collins' 2.4. WS has it 10.6 to -.063 in favor of Zaza. Zaza's ORtg is 123 to Collins' 83. DRtg is 106 to 112. eFG%, TS%, STL%, BLK%, TOV%, etc, etc. The list goes on. About the only thing Collins has over Zaza is AST% and AR, leading 6.7 - 4.8 and 14.3 - 7.4 respectively. Rebounding came up in previous discussions so let's look at those. ORB% is 10.7 - 2, DRB% is 18.3 - 8.7, TRB% is 14.8 - 5.6, all in favor of Zaza. For those that like things in simple Per Game values, that's 1.5 - 0.2 ORB, 2.8 - 0.8 DRB, and 4.3 - 1 TRB per game. Essentially, no matter how you like your numbers, served old school with a stout, tempo free with a double shot of whiskey, or advanced with a cool glass of Riesling, there is nothing to justify starting Collins, or even playing him, over or before Zaza. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that because Zaza's game is so profoundly ugly and that Collins game is so non-existent, that it fools people into thinking that Collins played a great game compared to Zaza. If it were only a few categories, then maybe there'd be something more to it, but with so many things falling in Zaza's favor, it makes it extremely difficult to argue for Collins. Well, Collins doesn't foul as often, so I guess there's that... Here's the numbers I mined from the two sites linked above so you don't have to go anywhere. Note, view in wide-mode to see full extent of the tables. Enjoy! B-Ref PER GAME Player FG% FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS Zaza Pachulia 0.639 0.81 1.5 2.8 4.3 0.5 0.4 0.5 1.4 2.8 6.9 Jason Collins 0.545 1 0.2 0.8 1 0.5 0 0.2 1 1.7 2.3 PER 36 Player FG% FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS Zaza Pachulia 0.639 0.81 3 5.9 9 1.1 0.8 1 2.9 5.9 14.5 Jason Collins 0.545 1 0.6 2.8 3.4 1.7 0 0.6 3.4 5.6 7.9 Advanced Player PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% Zaza Pachulia 16.3 0.73 0.639 10.7 18.3 14.8 4.8 1.1 1.9 22.3 16.5 Jason Collins 2.4 0.59 0.545 2 8.7 5.6 6.7 0 1.1 33.6 12.9 Player ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48 Zaza Pachulia 123 106 0.5 0.2 0.7 0.17 Jason Collins 83 112 -0.1 0 -0.1 -0.04 Hoopdata PER GAME League Average USG TS% %Ast AR TOR ORR DRR TRR EFF WS AWS PER APER League Average 15.94 53.9 57 10.64 16.89 9.5 19.5 14.5 8.6 3.9 2.12 11.38 11.3 Player Name USG TS% %Ast AR TOR ORR DRR TRR EFF WS AWS PER APER Jason Collins 13.04 58.9 83.3 14.37 28.74 2 8.6 5.6 2.17 -0.17 -0.55 2.49 3.35 Zaza Pachulia 16.3 75.8 69.6 7.41 22.22 11.5 18.4 15.2 9.8 4.75 2.58 16.67 16.94 PER 40 League Average USG TS% %Ast AR TOR ORR DRR TRR EFF WS AWS PER APER League Average 15.94 53.9 57 10.64 16.89 9.5 19.5 14.5 17.3 7.37 3.4 11.38 11.3 Player USG TS% %Ast AR TOR ORR DRR TRR EFF WS AWS PER APER Jason Collins 13.04 58.9 83.3 14.37 28.74 2 8.6 5.6 8.13 -0.63 -2.06 2.49 3.35 Zaza Pachulia 16.3 75.8 69.6 7.41 22.22 11.5 18.4 15.2 21.9 10.61 5.75 16.67 16.94 View the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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