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47 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Seeing lots of Murray trade ideas cropping up:

Hawks get: Jalen Suggs, Jett Howard, Orlando's 2025 1st round pick, Orlando's 2027 first round pick

Magic Get: Dejounte Murray and Anfernee Simons

Blazers Get: Anthony Black, Orlando's 2024 1st round pick (No. 18 overall), and Orlando's 2025 1st rounder via Denver protected 1-5)

 

 

Sacramento Kings receive: Dejounte Murray, AJ Griffin

Atlanta Hawks receive: Harrison Barnes, Keon Ellis, Sasha Vezenkov, 2024 13th-overall pick

 

The Hawks fielded offers for Murray leading up to this past winter’s trade deadline but couldn’t find one worth executing. During that time, they spoke with the Knicks, league sources said, but the two sides never got close to an agreement. Part of Murray’s appeal to New York was his flippability; the Knicks could trade for Murray at the deadline, then include him in another deal for a star this summer or next season.
Source: New York Times

 

 

 

 

Maybe I’m missing something, but Orlando can’t trade their FRP two years in a row, right?

16 hours ago, KB21 said:

But he doesn't have real value.  

Oooooooorrrrr……

Is this the Hawks promoting Trae’s attributes as a way to build up his perceived value in case they try to trade him?

4 hours ago, AHF said:

Scoot is a bust and it is a position where you could have depth.  They might view that differently though so just my guess.

2 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

This dude belongs. You can see it in his body language on the court. He might have his deficiencies like the other prospects but he’s got the “I belong in this league”  

Who knows, maybe they both work out. But I think both have a higher bust potential than I’d be willing to gamble on if I were drafting for a team. 

12 hours ago, AHF said:

As of today, my predictions not my wants:

1. San Antonio - Risacher

2. Washington- Sarr

3. Atlanta - Clingan

4. Houston - Sheppard

5. Detroit- Buzelis

6. Charlotte- Castle

7. Portland- Holland

8. Atlanta - Williams

9. Memphis- Dillingham

10. Utah- Topic

11. Chicago- Salaun

12. Oklahoma City- Knecht

13. Sacramento- Walter

14. Portland- Filipowski

(In this scenario, Atlanta gives up the #4, the Sacramento pick, and a second round pick to move to #3.  Houston wants more but gets their guy.)

Portland drafting Holland after taking Scoot last year

2 hours ago, KB21 said:

Damn.  The Hawks will lap that type of attitude up.  

Now THAT is Hawks DNA!

7 minutes ago, Jdawgflow said:

This would actually be a very business savvy move. Period. I wonder if there are any limitations in the CBA for this?

Who cares? It’s LeBron. The whole league’ll bend any rules necessary to help him get what he wants. 

2 hours ago, KB21 said:

Wow!  Say what you want about the Hawks.  At least we aren't the f***ing Lakers right now.

They need to just go ahead and make it official and name Bron as their new head coach. 
Pay him the vet minimum as a player to keep their cap number down, then give him a separate coaching contract for $40mil, then draft Bronny. 

3 minutes ago, AHF said:

Landry should have the final say.  That is his job.  Listening to the others is fine but the coach is too focused on winning now, players have a spotty record at best, Ressler is just a fan.  Fields has all the scouts reporting into him and is charged with the full evaluation as well as the place of the pick in the larger scheme of roster management.  Fire the GM if you don’t trust them but let them do their job as long as they are in it.

He SHOULD absolutely, you’re right. But in the real world I have a hard time believing a young GM in his first job would override the owner, the star player, and the genius veteran coach. Hell, Ressler alone has already overruled GMs in the past. 

1 hour ago, Hawkmoor said:

Whatever. Trae's name was mentioned.

Unfortunately Quin and Ressler have also been mentioned as Clingan fans. 
I am feeling if all three like him, then that’s who the pick will be regardless of who Landry/Korver think is the best player. 
 

Really, really, really that Sarr absolutely kills his workouts so hard that they come away knowing there is no doubt they should pick anyone else. Sarr really should start practicing his Pickle game and hit the other courts with Trae and JJ. 

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

If they have Risacher that high, I just don’t agree with it.  Risacher is the definition of average across the board.  Average size.  Average length.  Average shooting.  Average ball handling.  Average athlete.  Below average passer.  Average defense.  He doesn’t have a single elite trait.  

Hence my French Vanilla nickname for him. 

1 hour ago, ShayD said:

They better do all their homework in evaluating and working out all these prospects. Hornets did a good job last year, their fans and media were questioning them close to the draft and on draft night when they preferred Miller over Scoot. Some were saying Scoot was close to generational, when he was balling out in gleague at 18 years old and would go first in many other draft classes and if there was no Wemby he was consensus no1 pick.

I know it's still early for him but this is why you have to do your homework. He is a project, he had many weaknesses to his game that fans/media were willing to ignore but the Hornets FO chose not to. And well I guess having Lamelo made the decision easier.

Same could be said about Orlando. When Jabari Smith was consensus No1 until days before the draft and then betting odds were changing and saying Magic were going to take Paolo. Right now it's obvious who the better pick/player was, although Smith is a good player as well, you have to do your homework to get the better franchise changing player, especially at the number 1 pick with the amount of salary commitment and expectations. And btw I don't think it's Risacher.

Scoot was overrated. He got exposed in the Gleague yet still got drafted high. Ron Holland is this year’s Scoot. 

7 hours ago, Sothron said:

I have to add that if you doubt our FO at least give some credence to what Quin wants on his roster. He's a genius, literally, and he has developed players into superstars if they had the chops. If he is really high on any player it is enough for me, frankly, as a die hard fan that he knows what the hell he is doing.

You are going to make @KB21’s head explode trying to reconcile the thought that genius Quin wants Clingan. 

I voted Sarr, because he absolutely should be the pick, no question. 
However, every day it seems more and more likely the Hawks would select someone else if they keep it. 
I wonder if/when we’ll hear about the Hawks working Sarr out. Surely they will, right? RIGHT?!

3 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

If we can do both, I am much more inclined to go that route.  I don't think NO is gonna throw Herb Jones in the deal if all we give up is Capela, Hunter, and Murray.  That seems like what the FO might be trying to negotiate, but it doesn't sound like NO is gonna bite on that offer.  Therefore a trade down in this draft is pretty necessary to get an extra pick to make the deal work.  

I may be mistaken, but I don’t think it’s reliant on us giving up the 1 (to trade down for 4&8 and sending 8 to NOPe is what I’m guessing you’re alluding to). 

If a pick is necessary, we still have the Sac pick in our back pocket. 

15 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

posted without commentary.

 

Luka was probably dealing with a hangover from Magic City the night before

11 hours ago, Bonzaii58 said:

But it’s time to make hard decisions about players like Hunter, OO, and Capela. We have a lot of low spades that aren’t moving the needle for us, especially if we want to keep Trae. 

Low spades. I like that analogy .
Good one!

4 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

DJ took a 140% max extension off his existing $18 million so that's why he got ~$25 mil per as opposed to waiting for his previous deal to expire and seeing if he could command 30% max (not that I think he'd get it) of the current cap ($141 mil) for about $42 mil per.

Ingram will be making $36 million, he won't take less. He will be looking for at least a 20% raise.

 

All we have to do is float the idea that we’re going to trade him to Toronto and then he’ll be more willing to sign a new deal below market value. 

4 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

DJ took a 140% max extension off his existing $18 million so that's why he got ~$25 mil per as opposed to waiting for his previous deal to expire and seeing if he could command 30% max (not that I think he'd get it) of the current cap ($141 mil) for about $42 mil per.

Ingram will be making $36 million, he won't take less. He will be looking for at least a 20% raise.

 

All we have to do is float the idea that we’re going to trade him to Toronto and then he’ll be more willing to sign a new deal below market value. 

3 hours ago, KB21 said:

It's not a move I expected.  I didn't think the Lakers would target a legit head coach.  Maybe this is a sign that LeBron has told them he's moving on, because Dan Hurley is not a coach that LeBron will be able to dictate.  

It kind of seems like they’re preparing to blow it up and start over. Trade AD and whoever else for picks. Bring in a sacrificial college coach to manage the first few years of a rebuild project. 

5 hours ago, Mikey said:

This is a 50 win team and at minimum second round exit. Truly believe that team contends with the Celtics as long as BI is healthy 

5 hours ago, kg01 said:

On this I'll say one thing, the East is wide a**open.  Folks really have to understand we're not as far off as it seems.

Yeah, I think 50 wins is a stretch. But like KG says, East wide open and anything can happen based on movement along the margins. 
I want Sarr pretty bad, but I would love getting Herb Jones, and I think BI is a PRIME buy low candidate. I wanted him a few years ago when he was still an underrated player. 
Clingan to top it off would help me to fr the ledge since my biggest draft requirement is coming away with a 7 footer. 

1 hour ago, macdaddy said:

Hmm.  Guess i'm the only one who likes the hat.  

It matches the suit. 

2 hours ago, terrell said:

I take it your're hoping David Griffin sees this? 

There are pelican eyes everywhere my friend