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Yeah at first I thought he watched the game already and was off one point.

Looks like I'm not the only one giving Kudos when I see how the back end of a project turns out. As a player/fan I understood his plans and the only one's I really didn't care for was the Jacque Vaugn's and Tyron Lue's but they are more of Woody requested players. Law was a "crowd" pleaser (point guard hungry crowd) and Shelden was suppose to be Horford (oops). Other than that their were not too many flaws in his mystifying plans( All athletes around 6'9 that can play multiple positions and do multiple things on the court which makes/made our switch defense so effective and we can outrun taller players).

:friends1: picking a player like Paul in the rebuilding mood that we were in would have been detrimental to team progress. We would have been great but not the best and eventually plateauing. Try to deny all you want but it happens to teams all the time in the NBA. A team gets a prize player who although is great still needs another player or two to get them over the hump. This goes for the Kevin Garnett's Tracy McGrady's, Dirk's, Lebron Jame's, Dwayne Wade's, and yes even the Kobe Bryant's. If your duo is not dynamic enough to win it all (Chris Paul/Joe Johnson) and your trio(Josh Smith) wouldn't be ready to be a real force by the time big decisions(free agency) need to be made it eventully equals failure.

Naw!! We'd be New Orleans if we had Paul!!

Thank You for saying what I wanted to say but nicely!! If our team was losing and if Marvin was to blame then this may be a question but we are at the top of the league right now and have no where to go but up (individual goals).

Who has played the best to their potential this season on our squad? Nobody, not even our young bigs(They've played well but not without leaving something left to desire from them in total). With that being said we look like a pretty dangerous team. We still have plenty of room to improve but yet we're still on top. This is why chemistry is such a big factor really no matter where your at( If you enjoy your job and/or the people you work with you will/should perform better).

I will agree to this because not only are we the number 1 team in the league currently but also because Woody is learning to adjust rotations with a deep and deadly team!!

We are winning pretty dominantly(nobody has really played their best yet on our squad even if you want to make a case for our young bigs). Our only losses came on the road( A bad third quarter against the defending Champs "LAKERS" and a selfish game against the Bobcats who are pretty good against us "Mentor v.s. Pupil") and we already want to break up the chemistry?

R U Serious!! And this goes to all us Hawks fans who want to trade somebody who is still talented at 23. Marvin's a little off right now trying to refit in with a team with so many weapons and although might not be helping the team that much(at least on offense) he is not hurting the team(Hence 8-2 record). I don't care who you are you should not mess up a teams chemistry when things are going good. Marvin does fit good with our system he is just playing more of a utility role then a scorer. If other key players go down or competition increases than can you put a hit out on Williams and even then I say it's a losing situation (The return in most cases will not be better). Patience People Patience Please !!

This makes you realize how deep we are when you can forget a player that had so much of an impact a year a two ago and is still a big contributor.

BK's resume quick and easy. He takes a dysfunctional team Vancouver Grizzilies, Atlanta Hawks and he turns them into playoff teams via draft. He must be doing something right because if the team sticks with his core and philosophy(Teague and Jamal are BK type of players Big/Athletic Guards) they continue to get better(our Atlanta Hawks). Once they decide to go in another direction(Grizzilies), they go in another direction. BK's next venture will indeed be proof of this, it's just a question of who would give him the freedom to create his vision (I doubt New York gives him a try because they think Lebron will be their savior).

As far as Deng and Iggy are concerned I always felt that year that it was some inside deal going on. BK must of had a deal to leave them on the board so they would not snatch Josh Smith as a desperation move. BK knew he wanted Smoove but it would have been very questionable to take him as a lottery pick. Childress was a good character guy with a lot of length and is a good system player(anti Iverson). Josh Childress the safe pick left a lot of desired players on the board which allowed the high risk high reward player(Josh Smith) to fall into our laps. NBA insiders know that GM's commute all the time especially on draft day. They want to get a feel of the consensus picks especially from the teams ahead of them or that have the same need/want.

Besides the Bulls how many of these teams played and won together. You got a lot of question marks to answer.

Marvin is the same category except he has not had as many years in the league as Bynum."

Great quote I said that like 50 times and if this is the way you imagine people's statements then yes you should give up!! Point is I love the Hawks. Dominique("Smoove being my new version") got me into to the game(watching and playing) and I am very proud of the product I see today (And yes I credit those who have made this happen). Quote this and trash any other imaginary thought you may have about my post(s)

In lamens terms, Gerald Wallace, like Boris Diaw was not known by most until he was traded. Marvin and Bynum were picked for the future(Bynum has been in the league for a while now and still has not put up an impressive full season). Marvin is the same category except he has not had as many years in the league. Reggie Miller,Danny Granger cannot possibly be looked at as your GM being a good drafter as to say these two played together(Hence same era). Harrington did not hit his prime until he got to our team and was not a star with Reggie Miller either. The real question IS how do you like our team now? Who looks better(currently) in the next five years with Young Talent, Chemistry, and being a Playoff team to boast ? I've already admitted that the Bulls, OKC, and Portland are other teams that should be threats in the near future but the Bulls have took more time than us because of the inconsistent manner/approach they take/took to rebuild(Since Jordan Era) and the rest are pretty much following BK's suit( Remember BK started this in Vancouver when he made them a playoff team and then bailed for us. Build through the DRAFT, Quality, Good Character Players that know how to win or want to win and let them develop together. Unless you are debating against this fact then I really don't know if you are even reading/understanding my original post. Build Players not a player through the draft and let them not him develop. That's human nature for you, make things so simple complicated(It's not a tree it's paper, no it's a house, no it's furniture, NO it is a tree make what you will of it.

Both drafted and regarded high but need time to develop. Vujacic 27th/ Diaw 21st speaks volumes(I can't hear Vujacic . So Reggie Miller, Danny Granger and Al Harrington were all stars on the same team? Yes, young and talented but not quite there yet. We still Josh Smith(Late blooming Hall of Famer), Marvin Williams(Late blooming All-star) and Al Horford(20/10) guy to boast. Not to mention we drafted more good players like Boris, Childress(Hate so I can bring this up later once he returns to the league) and others. Who says it doesn't matter. I gave you props on this one but reiterated once again that they are in the same boat as us as far as having talent but still needing time to state how far this talent will get them and has got them so far. If anything this team gives BK the most props because they are following his system(rebuild with a lot of talent through the draft and let them learn and grow together as a team. Durant is what Marvin was/is expected to be eventually. Josh Smith is better than Green but they are both do it all players. Horford is a good big Westbrook is a good guard(both assumed to not be playing in their strongest position but are both proving pundents wrong to some sense). First of all I created this post and the argument has nothing to do with who drafted better but I'll play this game with you for fun. Chicago?? Deng(lottery),Rose(lottery) Bulls have been getting lottery picks for awhile( see Chandler/Curry/Gordon). Not saying they had bad picks(maybe I'm being nice/truthful) but they are not pass us when it comes to contention. They are actually below us when you see how long they have been rebuilding(since Jordan Era) and they have only consistently been up and down. So far we are on a steady uphill since BK completely dismantled the team he was given. Ditto Which one of these teams are better than our current Hawks. Especially the ones via draft. Until y'all stop fooling yourselves and look at the current instead of the what if's. Again, these arguments are irelavent to the original topic and can go 9,000 post in to no where if you are not posting legitimate grunts against what our team is now(Note I gave Kudos to BK and Sund). It is understandable that there may be bad blood(especially towards BK because of our past "failures" and I only mean in the win/loss column). Time/Winning heals all wombs and it just looks like a lot of us "Hawks fans" need more time than others. We could win a championship this year and there will still be gripes about BK( which is sad if this happens because Paul, Deron, Roy or anybody else you think BK passed up on would not have even gotten close to this stature yet unless they ended up playing for an already good/great team like Rondo). But unless the debate is about the original post( which basically states we have a great team/core now and it will/should be that way for years to come) then these arguments will continue to go no where on my part and you all's.

Although these players maybe serviceable we as Hawks fans would have a heart attack if Perkins, Big Baby and Powe were our players to boast. Put Salim(Eddie House), Powe(Solo/West), Big Baby(Sheldon) in the same system at that time and it would probably be the same argument(sad).

Exactly!! To the second bold statement what does it show besides he recognized his mistake same as Sheldon/Horford with BK except Ainge was lucky enough to have a choice the same year.

The post is not about drafting but about giving thanks to good overall results. Tracy's one of my favorite but he has not even got out the first round. None of these players have won a championship and most of them are not on the team that they were drafted. Smoove, Horford, and Marvin are. They are still starters and at 23 the jury is still out on them as far as (all-star,defensive player of the yearband etc..)!!

Name the last five drafts from New York that Isiah drafted.

Seriously?? In this case you can put Marvin in the same category. These players are from different eras so how long did this take and where is the championship? Great but in the same boat as the Hawks and with less players to boast(Yeah they made it to the playoffs but championship came with trading alot of talent via Celtics). :thumbsupsmileyanim: but they haven't made the playoffs yet!! Still rebuilding, still no championship!! Is this the best you got? Yeah I remember their championship. lol :thumbsdownsmileyanim: Gerald Wallace = Boris Diaw funny their on the same team. Kevin Martin is their current best player to boast? Besides Williams(good but did he make an allstar team? I can't remember), Stojakob*tch was a choker and Turkoglu took awhile before his talent/skills were even realized. Good try but you need alot of :help wanted3: to make these hold versus BK.

With growth comes maturity and maturity for Josh means more focus. Josh has showed flashes of all of his skills since he got into the league. Once he continues to focus on the game consistently( which I think he will show this year) this will definitely be a part of his breakout year(s).

Pretty good for a prediction!!