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I'm getting a little worried now we have two teams to worry about taking smith and or childress, but I wanna know if we are still capable of matching ANY offer they throw at Smith and Childress. Can ANY offer be matched?

Quote: How do we do that exactly since their salaries would have to match. I swear we need a salary cap tutorial on this board. I explained how we would do it already on another thread.

Quote: It's kinda hard to figure out what you're talking about when you say "When Smith leaves, we should sign and trade for Lamarcus A." I said if not when. Of course I want smith to come back.

Quote: 16 Million for 16 Million won't work for a resigned Smoove. Smoove will be BYC. Quote: 73. What is "Base Year Compensation?" How does base year compensation affect trades? Why does it exist? Base year compensation (BYC) prevents another salary cap loophole. Without BYC, a team over the salary cap that wants to trade a player, but can't because of the Traded Player exception (which says teams can't take back more than 125% of the salary they trade away), could just sign the player to a new contract that fits within the desired range, then do the trade. BYC says "if you re-sign a player and give him a big raise, then for a period of time his trade value will be lower than his actual salary." BYC defines the salary that's used to compare players for compliance under the Traded Player exception (see question number 68 for more information about the Traded Player exception). Usually the salary used for comparison is the player's actual salary. But under either of the following circumstances, a different salary is used when comparing salaries for trading purposes: * The team is over the salary cap, used the Larry Bird or Early Bird exception to re-sign the player, and the player received a raise greater than 20% (unless it's the minimum salary). * The team is over the salary cap, it extended the player's rookie scale contract, and the player received a raise greater than 20%. If either of the above apply, then the player is considered a base year player. A player remains a base year player for six months, or until June 30, whichever comes later. When trading a base year player, the salary used for comparison is the player's previous salary, or 50% of the first-year salary in his new contract, whichever is greater. Here is an example of a BYC calculation: A player earned $2 million in 2004-05, after which he became a free agent. He then signs a new contract (re-signing with his previous team, which is over the salary cap) starting at $9 million. This player qualifies for BYC, so his trade value is the greater of his previous salary ($2 million) or 50% of his new salary ($4.5 million), or $4.5 million. So this player, who actually earns $9 million, is worth $4.5 million for trading purposes. When comparing salaries for trade, teams use their own player's BYC value and the other player's full salary, even if the other player is also BYC. Here is a simple example -- two $5 million players, both of whom are re-signed (by teams over the cap) for $10 million. Both players become base year players whose base year amount is $5 million (50% of the new salary). If the teams want to trade these players for each other they compare their player's base year amount to the other player's full salary. So each team can take back a maximum of 125% plus $100,000 of their player's $5 million base year amount, or $6.35 million. They compare $6.35 million to the other player's full $10 million. $10 million is way too high, so this trade can't be done, even though the players' actual salaries match exactly. If one of the teams in the above example was below the cap, the trade still couldn't be done. For the team under the cap, their player would not be BYC, so they would be comparing $10 million to $10 million. But since the other team is over the cap, their player is BYC, and they'd still be comparing $5.85 million to $10 million, which prevents the trade from working. (See question number 75 for more information about trading BYC players.) For Larry Bird or Early Bird players, the player's BYC begins on the date he signs his contract. For extended rookie scale contracts, the player's BYC begins on the day after the July Moratorium which precedes the first season of the extension. For example, if an extension of a rookie scale contract is signed on 10/30/05, his BYC begins on 7/12/06, because the first season of the extension is 2006-07. A player's BYC goes away if the team falls below the salary cap, the player signs with a different team, or the player is traded. If a team trades an extended rookie between the date his extension is signed and the date it takes effect, his "trade value" for the receiving team is the average of the salaries in the last year of the scale contract and each year of the extension. This is called the "poison pill provision." The sending team uses the player's actual salary when calculating their outgoing salary. They use the current-year maximum salary in place of the (unknown) maximum salary for a future season, if necessary. Here is an example of a poison pill calculation: Carmelo Anthony earns $4,694,041 in 2006-07, the final year of his rookie scale contract. Prior to October 31, 2006 he signed a five year extension (bringing the total seasons to six) for the maximum salary, with the maximum 10.5% raises. Anthony's actual salary will not be determined until July 2007, when the maximum salary amounts for 2007-08 are set. During the 2006-07 season the 2006-07 maximum is assumed for the 2007-08 season ($13,762,775), and the salary in subsequent seasons is based on this amount ($15,070,550, $16,378,325 and $17,686,100, respectively). If Anthony is traded during the 2006-07 season, then his outgoing salary from the Nuggets' perspective is his actual salary of $4,694,041. His incoming salary from the other team's perspective would be $13,518,358 -- the average of his 2006-07 salary and the assumed salaries in the extension. Smoove's BYC value on a resigned Contract at 12 million would be about 7 Million. To make your deal work, you're roughly talking Aldridge and Jack for Smoove... Because PTL is well over the salary cap, there is no way that they can do the deal. They are sitting at 77 million right now. They can take on the extra money to make the Smoove deal happen. Oh ok I didnt realize that

This would be a great stragedy and transaction to get our big men and our shooter, which is what everyone knows we need (2 bigs and 1 shooter). So this is how it works: 1.We sign back both Joshes (keep in mind we are over the luxury tax after signing j.smoove) 2.Then we do a Sign and trade with Josh smith/Zaza for Lamarcus/Lafrentz EXPLANATION: Smith will probably sign a 12m contract the way things are going and Zaza has a 4m contract. With that being said lafrentz has a 12m contract and lamarcus has a 4m contract. In all that equals 16m for both sides so no one is losing money or cap space. So this trade is very possible.(Smith/zaza for aldrige/lafrentz) 3. Since the joshes are signed already, we can now use our mle and that can be used on james jones. So now we have aldrige and lafrentz our two bigs and our 3pt/shooter off the bench to give jj some rest. An we keep childress. HERES OUR NEW LINEUP: starters: PG-bibby SG-johnson SF-williams PF-horford C-Aldrige bench: PG-law SG-j.jones SF-childress PF-s. jones C-lafrentz

Quote: Oh. OK. Well, what you're talking about would require us SNT Smoove for ALdridge and Lafrentz for instance. There's one other thing that's a problem here. Once we sign Smoove, he becomes BYC. Because we're paying him way more than he was making before, we get penalized in what we can take back in trade for him. Even on a SNT. So if we SNT Smoove, we can only take back 1/2 of his salary. Aldridge would fit in that (I think) however, the question is can PTL take 11.5 Million for 6 million. They would have to be 5.5 Million under the cap. It might be doable.. but we have to wait til July 9th to see! Thats well explained about time someone got what i was talking about. That is a good idea i would like to actually see this happen, which is a surprise from me considering how much i like j. smoove.

PTL might like smith

Quote: Quote: Quote: How do you propose that we get LA??? hell we most likely wont but it wouldnt hurt to try if we did have to trade smoove. LA isnt a bad player to try to trade for. Who are we going to trade to get him??? all im trying to say is that if a certain situation comes up and asg decides to trade smith we should go after aldrige. Though i understand that they may like their frontcourt but they also may like a outlaw,smith, oden frontcourt as well. I know it sounds to u that this will probably not happen but it could. (Smith for aldrige)

Hellll!!!!! to the naw.

Quote: How do you propose that we get LA??? hell we most likely wont but it wouldnt hurt to try if we did have to trade smoove. LA isnt a bad player to try to trade for.

Quote: Quote: Hopefully J. Smoove stays but if he doesnt we should immediately trade for Lamarcus Aldrige he would be a great pickup. Also if smith is offered something we dont want to match dont we have the right to sign and trade him during the 7 days we have to match his contract? this would be our lineup: pg-bibby sg-johnson sf-williams pf-horford c-lamarcus aldrigre This sounds great to me if smith doesnt get resigned. ATL holla at cha boy and tell me whatcha think? If smith doesn't sign a contract with the hawks then who are we trade to get Aldridge? not quite understanding what you're asking , but all im saying is that aldrige would be a good trade for smith if asg doesnt want to match an offer for him. Not trying to get rid of j. smoove but aldrige is just a great trade for him and we possibly might win more games next season with aldrige presence on the team.

Hopefully J. Smoove stays but if he doesnt we should immediately trade for Lamarcus Aldrige he would be a great pickup. Also if smith is offered something we dont want to match dont we have the right to sign and trade him during the 7 days we have to match his contract? this would be our lineup: pg-bibby sg-johnson sf-williams pf-horford c-lamarcus aldrigre This sounds great to me if smith doesnt get resigned. ATL holla at cha boy and tell me whatcha think?

are we going to stop beating around the bush for the Joshes. Lets get one thing straight we know as hawk fans that we arent going to make the playoffs if we dont sign smith back or even have a chance. Hell I agree with alot of you on this message board SMITH should be paid at what his skill level is right now but I dont want to see this team not make the playoffs for another season, we might have a losing record again next season but once were in the playoffs records mean nothing(lets keep that in mind). As for childress we also need him back cause its not like we have a good bench and jj doenst get any rest as it is, childress is so far the best backup for jj and marvin atleast until jeremy richardson gets more of a chance( i personally think he will be preety good once he starts playing more) In the end we need smith and childress. I know smith is asking for a big contract I dont agree of giving him alot of money either just like many of you but I also dont agree of losing him for nothing so asg cough up the money for the joshes and make your city proud. Were sick of not getting anywhere we just got started lets not mess up our groove now who knows we might be untouchable this season(Well...........(thinking)...........naw, i was on trip mode on that untouchable [censored] but ATL you get me) Starting lineup pg-bibby sg-johnson sf-williams(really should be on the bench but childress is needed to bring some good energy off the bench plus, I personally just think childress is better) pf-smith(would like him to move to sf but he cant shoot for [censored], i wish he could shoot at a sf level but he's just not a shooter hopefully he can change this, maybe his shot will come this season..........naw but it would be nice) c-horford(Big Al should be playing pf but I personally think he's a pretty good center I mean to say we have him and smith playing out of position is pretty crazy these two did great and didnt give up so if they had to do it again which is most likely i think it will be ok plus look for horford to score a bit more this upcoming season that will help alot Bench lineop pg- acie law ( I careless what anyone say I think acie got some potiental to be good, he'll come through for us i know he will) sg-jeremy richardson (we say we need a shooter well here he is, rich has a pretty good shot all we need now is to get ol woody boy to play him and give him a chance. oh and by the way we still need to get a shooter just in case he doesnt work out) sf-childress(good enugh to start over willams but need him as a 6th man) pf-solomon jones(hasnt really got a chance, could be good but we will never know unless woody plays him) c-zaza(ok but not ok still need a better backup c than this man atleast kwame brown or someone) Joshes=playoffs next season or atleast good hope no joshes= another 8 years of hell!!!!! (maybe not 8 but atleast 2)

Check out this link. I hope we didnt offer smith a 3m contract and childress a 4m. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/atlanta.htm

we need josh back man trust me. 1 he's a very vauble 2. he gets better each year 3. he our second highest scorer on the team. 4. has good d 5. the only thing he does too much is take inconsistent shots if he calms that down and just score what he can and not be so aggressive to take shots he shouldnt take, he will soon be all-star material. I for 1 thinks smith knows he takes bad shots and expect him to calm that down the upcoming seasons, starting this year. He's only 22, he gets better every year and this year he will simply be better ,he's not going to just all of a sudden start sucking he's too good for that. speedy just had injury problems but looking at his stats he wasnt even that impressive, decent but not all-star material like bibby or someone. J smoove is worth what ever it takes, childress too.

THE HAWKS SAY THAT THEY CAN MATCH ANY OFFER PHILLY THROWS AT SMITH BUT IS THIS 100% TRUE, I ASK BECAUSE THE HAWKS HAVE NOT MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT MONEY LIKE THESE OTHER TEAMS. SO HOW MUCH DO WE REALLY HAVE AND IS IT REALLY POSSIBLE TO SIGN BOTH JOSHES BACK? IN OTHER WORDS CAN WE REALLY GIVE J SMOOVE ATLEAST A 70M CONTRACT AND SIGN CHILDRESS TO 6M?

Rick Sund-interview with hawks.com Hawks.com: Obviously, Hawks fans want to know what the plan is for the two Joshes. RS: They are a priority, no question. We want to re-sign them. They are a part of the team’s young nucleus, they’ve gotten better each year, and they each contributed in the playoff run. link:http://www.nba.com/hawks/feature/Q_A_With_Rick_Sund_060208.html Mike Woodson-interview with ajc.com Q. What then becomes priority No. 1 for the Hawks in pursuit of that goal? A. The first priority has to be [Hawks general manager Rick Sund] getting Josh Smith and Josh Childress back in Hawks uniforms. I don't even think you can think about anything else until you resolve that matter. From there we have to figure out our ninth, 10th, 11th, 12th, and 13th guys and who they are. Teams will pattern themselves after Boston in that regard. I think back to last summer this time when [Celtics coach] Doc [Rivers] and I talked about how his team needed to make a big move and not draft another younger player to take that next step. And they did exactly what he was talking about, and probably a whole lot more. I don't think it's to our benefit to add another young guy. We need some veterans to add along with our eight core guys. We're still young enough in certain spots, with guys three and four years into the system, that our core group will continue to get better next year and beyond. What we have to do is build around them, give them an opportunity to shine by putting veteran guys around them that know what it takes to win in our league. link:http://www.ajc.com/hawks/content/sports/hawks/stories/2008/06/20/woodson_0620.html This is making me pretty confident they know we just got on a role their not going to let niether Joshes go. (I posted this because I read many rumors saying that Rick and Woody are optimistic but these interviews obviously show that they know whats best for the hawks and thats resigning the Joshes) ATL dont give up hope on Rick or Woody

Quote: Quote: I'm confused does anyone know how exactly how the hawks can sign both joshes back ? I asked cause I hear that we cant release claxton and I thought that was the only way we could get them back. Can anyone explain the process to me cause I know we dont have the money. We're not releasing Claxton. If we do, we'll have less chances of even signing the Joshes because we'll have to pay him straight up I believe. Smoov is naturally a power forward. He lacks the consistency in his jumpshot to be considered a 'natural' small forward. If we keep Smith (in which we probably will), we need to bring in another big man to also bring depth to our team. Our core of players should be the same next year hopefully with Childress back. You know, Bibby, JJ, Marv, Smoov, Horf. And Chillz coming off the bench. Most likely we will see more minutes from the other bench players such as Pachulia, Law, etc. Our main priorities should be resigning the Joshes and then bring some depth in the bench. thats true about Smith but he's only 22 and he can get better at his jumpshooting. Kobe didnt have a jumper when he first came in the nba but look at him now....mvp material I still say we put him at sf and get a real C

Can anyone explain how exactly the hawks are going to get back the joshes? I hear we cant release Claxton and I thought that was the only way we could get them back.Plus we dont have any money as of now, so how exactly will we get them back? ATL talk to me.

I'm confused does anyone know how exactly how the hawks can sign both joshes back ? I asked cause I hear that we cant release claxton and I thought that was the only way we could get them back. Can anyone explain the process to me cause I know we dont have the money.

Quote: NBA contracts are guaranteed...Atlanta still owes him the money even if they ban him from the premises. There was discussion about talking him into early retirement, thus allowing them to recoup some of that money, but it went south. Can't trade the man, he hasn't done anything in two years. That's why he's still on the roster. So we cant release or trade him? Well damn I cant belive that so how would we be able to sign smith back, I thought the only way was to release claxton or am i wrong.

Quote: oh right my bad, hes starting somewhere, actrully now i think about it, the trade seems pretty damn good to be true. Naw B we need smith to be in that lineup somewhere. LOL

I think the Hawks will surely make the playoffs especially when we get our real 5 if you know what I mean. We just need Horford to play 4/Smith-3/johnson-2/bibby-1. We need that 5 man and we sure to make it.

Can someone please tell me why speedy claxton is still on our team. We really and I mean really need to let this guy go, I mean damn he hasn't played in almost two whole seasons. Do you think we will release him? Talk to me ATL.