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3 hours ago, MarylandHawk said:

I wonder where Cam is going to get his summer runs in?

...games 2, 4, 5, and 6 of the Eastern Conference Finals?

6 hours ago, sturt said:

Pretty sure of two things that discourage this.

First, we have until October, I believe, to extend whoever... after that, it's...

 

Second, he's 29. He's pretty much been who he's going to be for 2-3 years now. And while I get the otherwise-healthy hesitation, given the first part, put together with this part, put together with whatever value one assigns to continuity... $9m is a reasonable number, but that's just my opinion.

FWIW, I *think* the rule against mid-season contract extensions applies only to players on their rookie scale contracts who are headed for RFA status. Could be wrong. But I swear I remember some veterans signing extensions in the middle of a season, esp after a trade.

Sorry if that dampens the sex appeal of that particular type of transaction.

12 hours ago, ATLHawks3 said:

Keep that roster spot open for Sharife or a potential buyout option after the trade deadline.

3 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Wow. France made it close. Gold!

I honestly feel like the US got away with one this time around. This was the first game in the whole Olympics that the team really showed up in the first half...and France still made it close. 

Nando De Colo is a baller, btw. I gotta think that the only reason he didn't stick in the NBA is that Pop was still committed to a Parker/Ginobili backcourt when he played for the Spurs, and other teams didn't catch onto his level of talent until he went back to Europe and got into a starter's rhythm...by which point he was too old for teams to feel comfortable just bringing him over and handing him lead guard duties. Too bad, really. I think he clearly is an All-Star caliber talent. He's gotta be bitter today that he was denied Gold by Coach Pop as well. 

1 hour ago, Spud2nique said:

KD is a prime example of how other countries think the USA is cocky as hell. Lol. 
 

 

   

Yeah, I wouldn't be too cocky if I were KD. It's not like the US cruised at ALL in this tournament (except against renowned basketball powerhouse Iran). Pop struggled with this team early on, but made the most important adjustment of the Games when he had Draymond play "point center" late in the game (neutralizing France's effective ball pressure because Gobert isn't going to play 94 feet). He doesn't make that adjustment, I think the US might have lost, because, talent notwithstanding, this team never meshed and France nearly pulled this one out. 

4 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Per Steve Koonin on 92.9 The Game Radio:

After Cam played in the playoffs and played well, he didn't see the benefit of playing in Summer League so he asked out and the team said OK. Since SL is only 5 games they saw no issue since he played 4 playoff games instead.

On 8/2/2021 at 8:23 PM, niremetal said:

That's what I'm hoping for too. Summer league is just 4 games. That happens to be exactly how many he played in the ECFs. Given what he showed during those games, if I'm Cam (or his agent), I'm saying that he already got his summer live ball reps and would rather sit out SL so as not to risk injury. 

Probably wishful thinking, though...

#nirestradamus

2 hours ago, Diesel said:

In his defense, both Wright and Lou are combo guards.  I would not look to either to be a full time PG. 

Eh. I don't consider Schröder a pure point guard either. He plays the part because he's not big enough to guard 2s, but his best offensive efficiency numbers have actually come in the past 3 years, when he's played off the ball more. Even in his last two years here, when he was full-time PG playing 31mpg, he topped out at 6.3apg and was clearly shoot-first. 

1 hour ago, RandomFan said:

Lou will probably be the 3rd string PG and the 3rd string SG. The good thing about having Delon is with his size he can be on the court with either Trae OR Lou without killing our defense. Delon can play SG with Trae, and slide over to PG with Lou on the court. 

I will almost "guarohntee" that Huerter plays less minutes than last year, assuming both Cam and Hunter don't miss the same amount of minutes again this season. 

No doubt Wright and Reddish will eat into K'Von and Bogi's minutes somewhat. But I think that'll mainly come at the expense of the minutes that Lou, Rondo, Snell, and Hill took over the course of last season. I think Bogi's minutes will be right around 30--a bit shy of what he was doing late last year, but not a ton less. I think the fact that Nate played him 20+ minutes a night even when his knee totally robbed him of his bounce and first step is about as strong proof as there is that Nate will trust him to play full-time starter minutes.

Huerter's a trickier situation, depending on how quickly Reddish develops. But given how well Huerter played down the stretch last year, I definitely don't see his minutes crashing all the way to 20. I think he'll be the first guy off the bench and ahead of Reddish, at least at the start of the year. My guess is 25 minutes or a bit less most nights.

28 minutes ago, gurpilo said:

So apparently after final moves we might look something like this

Young (33)/Wright (12)/Lou (8)

Bogi (25)/Huerter (20)/Mays

Hunter (28)/Reddish (20)/Hill

Collins(33)/Gallo(18)/JJ

Capela(28)/Dieng(15)/OO

That means that Wright will split his time between PG and SG, and we might be running some small lineups with Huerter at 3 and Hunter at 4. Lou will get his time. We are incredibly deep, 12 quality players that might be on a rotation on any team, that is insane.

Bear in mind that all of 

I can't imagine that Bogi will play that few minutes unless there are wear-and-tear concerns with his knees (and even then, the better approach would be to rest him on the 2NB2Bs rather than simply have him play fewer minutes). He averaged 33mpg once Nate made him a starter, and that just happened to coincide with us going 18-7 over that span. We're deeper now, but I still don't see him playing fewer than 28-30 if he's active and the game is close.

Same with Huerter. He averaged 31mpg last year. He's not gonna have those minutes cut by a third.

Bear in mind that 15 of our 16 regular lineups that had a positive +/- last season featured either Bogi, Huerter, or both (12 of the 16 featured Trae). All 4 of our lineups with a negative +/- had Bogi on the bench. I just don't see Bogi or Huerter having their minutes cut dramatically--certainly not because we want to get Lou minutes or because we'd rather avoid JC or even Gallo having to play the 5.

I imagine Dieng will average 8-12ish mpg rather than 15 (with JC playing a good number of minutes at the 5 and Hunter at the 4 sometimes) and that Lou will see a fair number of DNP-CDs now that Wright is aboard. No third-string PG plays every night, much less plays every night while averaging 8 mpg.

Young (33)/Wright (13)/Lou (3)

Bogi (29)/Huerter (25)/Mays

Hunter (28)/Reddish (20)/Hill

Collins(33)/Gallo(18)/JJ

Capela(28)/Dieng(10)/OO

54 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Due to the Delon Wright trade hold up, we are waiting for that trade to be finished so we can sign our 15th and last player. The options are between former Hawks, Lou Williams or Paul Millsap. Based on last year's metrics, the answer is obvious for me, it's Millsap especially since we have three PGs on the roster and our PFs are JC and Gallo. Gallo tends to miss a month or two literally every year and our centers are Capela/Dieng/Okongwu. Okongwu is out till JAN and could take even longer before he plays and Dieng is average. The ability to have Millsap in the locker room with his work ethic, leadership for Jalen Johnson and Admiral Schofield is invaluable. While Lou hold the same leadership value and locker room value, he really doesn't offer us much on the court once Wright arrives. Who are you taking? 

It's a tough call, but I went with Millsap, mainly because (assuming the Delon Wright deal goes through) I see a more plausible path to Millsap playing meaningful minutes and doing something with them.

But really, at this point, neither of those guys should be playing meaningful minutes. Millsap's defense has been pretty bad for the past couple years, and his 3P% last season was worryingly low. As with Lou, I question how much he actually has left in the tank. And unlike Lou, I don't see him as being the type of player anymore who will ever have a night good enough to tilt games in our favor.

I feel like with either guy, what we're really paying for is a veteran presence and mentor. Lou clearly embraced that role last season with Trae and OO (and others), and his calls to our draft picks on draft night (which both mentioned in their press conference) suggests that he's up for continuing it. I think it benefitted Trae and OO a lot last year, which in turn benefited the team. I have no doubt that Millsap will have the same positive impact on many of the guys in the locker room. But going forward, I still think having a veteran presence that Trae (specifically) respects is important.

So I'll Trust In Travis Schlenk (and Coach Nate). If they think Millsap will have positively impact Trae and the team in the way Lou did--and that he'll be okay with a good number of DNP-CDs, which he didn't have to contend with in Denver--I'd definitely bring him in over Lou. If they think Lou has a unique rapport with Trae that we'll lose with Millsap, it becomes a tough call.

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

I don't pretend to know how this works.  As I read it, it seems as though the cap hit is still 21.5 Million.  And that only changes if we trade or waive him which means he gets 5 Million?  If that's not right, make it make sense. 

You've basically got it. If we decide to keep him in 2022-23, we'll owe him the full $21M. But we waive him at the end of next season (which I fully expect us to, unless he totally balls out and wins the Sixth Man Award), we only pay him $5M. That $5M will essentially be dead cap space and he will become a free agent. BUT (and this is the good news) if/when another team signs him, the amount of that $5M cap hit will essentially be reduced by however much his new team pays him. So if a team signs him next summer for the ~$4M BAE, our dead cap hit for him will only be ~$1M.

This is why Gallo is all but a non-factor when it comes to figuring out who gets paid in future seasons.

7 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

Nope, but it could be a move we look to make if we have our heart set on keeping Huerter along with Cam and Hunter. 

Gallo is only guaranteed $5M next season, so I don't think that will have any bearing on whether we extend Huerter. I suspect Schlenk structured Gallo's contract that way precisely so it wouldn't kill us when Trae and Huerter were due to get paid.

5 minutes ago, ATLHawks3 said:

BEAL IS ESSENTIALLY ON A ONE YEAR CONTRACT. DON'T TRADE ASSETS FOR HIM WHEN YOU KNOW HE'LL JUST BOUNCE AFTER ONE YEAR.

To me that's the only plus...maybe we could flip him at the deadline to Chicago for Vucevic once the Bulls' whole front office gets fired mid-season and they start rebuilding...

6 hours ago, Diesel said:

Nope...

We will be trading Gallo for Capspace to sign our other players (Cam, Hunter).   It's the way of all things.   Specifically.. I was thinking ending contracts like either at the end of the season...  Gallo to Dallas for W-C Stein and Maxi Klebber.  or something like that...

 

Huh? Gallo's contract will be 100% off the books by the time Cam and Hunter would get paid (summer of 2023 is when their extensions would kick in). There's literally no way trading him would create cap space for Cam or Hunter.

2 hours ago, Gray Mule said:

No reason for him to play summer league and get injured.  We know what we have, therefore no reason to showcase him.  We just need him ready when the regular season opens.  

@NBASupes seems convinced it's because Cam's on the trading block. Hoping he's wrong, you're right, and that it's just a realization that the risk of injury / benefits of low-impact offseason training outweighed the reps he'd get from playing 100 minutes of summer league ball...

2 hours ago, thecampster said:

"The average value of Collins' new deal is $25 million. His base salary for the 2021-22 season will be $21.6 million."

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/ap-source-john-collins-stays-173205065.html

Boo. Ascending 

2 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Smoove was a breath of fresh air for us back then because we were coming off of guys like Lee Nailon and Chris Crawford.

Why you hatin' on my boy? 

20 hours ago, sillent said:

At all? Memories are so short. Not only is that not true but with all the shooters we have it doesn't matter.

We're not bringing Solo back to shoot regardless. We're bringing him to keep the intangibles of a championship team. You can go down the line of every championship team and see a few players that wouldn't come nowhere to sniffing a ring if they weren't on that team.

All players have a role to play and certain intangibles that they bring to a team. Whether it's a mentality/toughness, 6 fouls, cheerleading/support. The things that don't get stats on the court but make the world of difference.

Solo is that guy for us. Plus he will play his heart out and hopefully this season he doesn't have to burn himself out playing his heart out all season and may be a little more serviceable during the playoffs if it's even necessary that he gets playing time at all.

This is important. Solo led the team in games played last season (71 of 72) and was actually fifth on the team in total minutes played last season. He played more minutes than Bogi or Gallo, and more than he'd played since his first year with the Pelicans in '16-'17. That only came out to an average of 21.3 mpg, but given how condensed the season's schedule was and how hard Solo plays, that probably felt like 30 minutes per game on his legs. It also meant that any bruises and tweaks he suffered never got the chance to heal. That seemed to bear out when his shooting averages dipped in April and May and then plummeted in the playoffs.

Solo shot 37% from deep in 2019-20. I don't doubt he can get back to that level if he gets the chance to rest his legs, which he just never got this year.

But even if that doesn't happen, like @sillent and others have said--we're not bringing him here to shoot. We're bringing him here because he's a tough veteran who knows his role, plays solid D on opposing forwards, and is a great locker room presence. I'm damn glad he's back in the fold.

25 minutes ago, gurpilo said:

They have around 20m$ but I don't see any pieces they have that we would like on sign and trade.

They have a pile of first-round picks lying around...including their own that we own lottery-protected for next year.

57 minutes ago, AHF said:

Depends how they framed the offer in the first place.  A common negotiating tactic would be to make the offer but have it come off the table the moment he starts visiting other teams.  Basically you say "We think the $90M/4 years we offered was a fair offer.  While you rejected that, we really want you so much that we are now willing to offer $125M over 5 years but that offer is conditioned on us agreeing now and you not going to other teams to try to trump it.  We've got no problem if you want to talk to other teams but then that $125M is off the table.  When  you start talking to other teams, you can force our hand with an offer sheet but you may also find that the market isn't willing to match our $25M/per offer in which case that is the risk you are taking.  If the market turns out to be more than $25M per, you'll come back with that offer and we will be informed by the market and can match it or not.  If the market turns out to be less, we'll come back and talk some more informed by that market reality.  We want to keep you for the long term and hope you'll take the $125M right here and right now.  Let us know what you decide." 

To be sure, that approach would be considered fair play in most businesses / cities. But by no means all. And I have no idea what the NBA's unwritten rules for this stuff are.