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3 minutes ago, JTB said:

Easy. Trade Murray to either the spurs or Detroit. With this draft being considered weak I’m sure it’s a lot easier to pull this off than it would be normally. Murray is on a great contract and wanted.

LMAO!!! f**k you KG!  

Agreed! I thought this draft was weak too but honestly there seems to be more defensive minded players in this draft than usual so the offense isn’t standing out therefore “weak” aka there are no clear cut offensive generational talents.

Why would you want more players from a weak draft though?  Wouldn't you want to trade Murray to the Spurs for a player on their roster? If not, you should use the pick in the trade for an established player such as Mikal Bridges or someone who can contribute immediately. 

35 minutes ago, JTB said:

I’m not opposed to going “all offense” what folks don’t get is that an elite offensive team can be very overwhelming vs opponents. An extremely powerful elite offense can be your defense.

you can argue that’s not the best approach to take as you still need quality defense.

im ok with both options myself. I believe we can have the best of both worlds in this draft! Get sarr and move back up to grab Edey.

that’s a full buy in , in my opinion for Trae. Year 1 & 2 sarr primary role will be defensive minded while his offense comes in place. IF we ever have to be quicker and longer we can move sarr to the 5 and OO to the 4, Jalen at the 3.

The draft is considered weak but we have so much potential to come away with the best of both worlds this draft it ain’t even funny!

 

OUR GOAL SHOULD BE TAKING CARE OF OUR BIG MAN ISSUES LONG TERM THIS DRAFT….we can have our own twin towers with Sarr and Edey! @terrell is behind this idea! Someone gets it! 

 

How are you moving back up into the draft to get Edey? 

7 minutes ago, JTB said:

Ain’t no way we getting KAT! He was awesome tonight outside of a few bad fouls. Refs don’t respect KAT but clearly he’s needed for them to get any wins to advance forward.

anyways even if our insiders said KAT may be available, i would believe they heard it but it would be hard to believe it has any legs.

with that said….this is my last KAT post as there’s zero chance he’ll ever be a hawk.

lol...stranger things have happened.

I'd love to have KAT, Sarr and Bridges added to the team with JJ.

6 minutes ago, KB21 said:

For those wanting to limit the defense you play to drop coverage against the PNR.  This is what Clingan will give you.  Even if he's Rudy Gobert defensively, he's going to be a liability in the playoffs.  You HAVE TO HAVE switchable bigs.  

Rudy is an excellent defender and I hate when people use a SSS of bad matchups to discredit how impactful his defense is.  

Not sure if this was posted, sorry if it was, but pretty good breakdown.

2 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

How many years are we going to overvalue Hunter's defense? As long as he's on this team, coach is going to have to justify playing him major minutes.

He does one thing at an average level, and that's guard the ball.  He's not an overall impact defender, because rebounding, getting steals, getting blocks, is part of the defensive energy we need on this team as well.

 

I'm not over valuing Hunter's defense. If you move him off the roster, who is your big wing defender? 

3 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Don't let a bad playoff series fool you.   He was damn good in the Phoenix and Denver series as the #2 guy.  He's having a nightmare series against Dallas.

KAT is still the type of upgrade frontcourt talent that this team could use.  I'd much rather bring in KAT, than sign Brandon Ingram to a similar deal.  And Minnesota could definitely use another PG like DJ, who can get his shot off in isolation, along with Ant-Man.

 

 

Atlanta gets its star frontcourt player

Minnesota gets its star PG to play with Ant and the ability to shed Wiseman's contract ( if they can do this )

Detroit gets value for trading Wiseman in the form of Hunter and Capela

 

Minnesota:  (PG) - Murray . . (G) Edwards . . (F) McDaniels . . (PF) Reid . . (C) Gobert

Detroit:  (PG) - Cunningham . . (G) Ivey . . (F) Hunter . . (PF) Stewart . . (C) Duren . . . . (6th man) Capela

Atlanta:  (PG) - Young . . (G) Bogi . . (F) Johnson . . (PF) Okongwu/#1 pick . . (C) KAT

 

I like this, but unless we have another big wing defender, I'm keeping Hunter on the roster.  I wish some way they could swing a KAT and Mikal Bridges trade.  I'd have to let Bogi go in that scenario though. 

55 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

They aren't interested. They got where they wanted to go to keep this boat going

That 2nd apron penalty says otherwise though. I don't know if they will be able to make moves to improve the team without moving one of those big contracts.

The Mavs are showing that they need a younger point guard to go with this team.

20 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

His salary isn't leaving it's prime. That's only going up.

54 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I know and I respect Damien opinion. My issue is, there was a lot of respect for those high on Marvin. Roy Williams and many lived on the line, most upside in the draft. NBA 2k5 had Marvin potential at 98 and he always was a MVP candidate with LeBron. He even turned the Hawks into a contender in 2k.

Just saying, this gives me Marvin vibes. When the tape ain't that good and the data is shaky but the vibe and hype is massive. That's a red flag for me. Let's be clear, Marvin also was praised for his coachable, he listens, he got better, his upside is through the roof. 

I think you more so are saying he may have a hard time adjusting to the nba offensively and he probably can't take on centers when he first enters the league because of his slight frame.  I don't think many of us are denying that. 

Like I've said before, I want the Hawks to draft the player with the most defensive upside.  To me, that's Sarr.

1 minute ago, bleachkit said:

These things are hard to predict. There were endless arguments about Ayton, Bagley and JJJ. Little did the board know at the time that a generational talent fell right into our lap, only to be traded away. 

get some new material. 

8 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

There is nothing wrong with you think in your opinion, you prefer Sarr. Nothing is wrong with that. Even me, I've said it's clear who has the highest ceiling in this class and it's Sarr in my report. 

I really wish folks would stop acting like I am a hater because I don't see this the way you do.

Let's say between 10% - 50% of my post on Edey or Clinghan had the word bust in them.  What would you call me?  An objective draft analyst or a hater.  The language used in posts, reports, opinions, elicit responses received.  I'm not calling you hater just explaining why someone may say that.

4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I am addressing a specific post. That's not my vested logical take on him. This is just an opinion. This is not the same. 

Saying he will be a bust - opinion 

Saying I would take him 15-20 - opinion

Analysis about Sarr - report. 

You can't use my opinions to remove from my reports

What? Everything on here is opinion. If I say something, on here, I can't get mad when you say I said it. 

Also what is your definition of bust?

18 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I honestly think he would be a reach at 7-10 most years. This is not a good draft. I don't know how many times I have to say it and that includes Clingan and Edey but they OPTIMALLY fit what we do. Sarr doesn't and when I explain why, I am not hating on Sarr. 

Someone even said, people are only hating on Sarr cause the Hawks got the #1 pick. I lost it right there I was so pissed. It's like there guys are trying to convince me that making a bad decision is good and if you don't agree, you are a hater. 

I also don't agree, Lively wouldn't be 1 in this draft based on what he did at Duke. Maybe if he returned and had an insane year, that would be a different convo.

Sarr should be picked at 15-20 like JJ was. He's a better prospect than JJ but thats where I feel he is safe and high reward and if even if bust, so what. 

This is where I disagree with you. You put bust in every post with Sarr.  Just talk about why you don't like him. You don't have to say bust.  Like if you literally say, I don't think Sarr can do this and this or he'll never do this.  People will support it. It's the projection of bust without defining what you think a bust is. 

A bust to me is literally someone who doesn't get the team option picked up on in the third year of a rookie contract. Is that what you think Sarr will be? 

3 hours ago, NBASupes said:

That's not my take at all. []  Saying I think Edey is the greatest since slice bread when I have him as 10th for prospects in a combined class of 23 and 24, how is that possible? 

I have constantly praised Sarr for what he is and I don't for what he's not. Me being sold on him being a bust is much deeper than, he just thinks he's a bust. 

JJ is a tweener to me like Smoove. He doesn't have a true position but 4 is where tweeners play. 

Yes, he's guarded Giannis way better than anyone else for us but OO.

I prefer the tweener than the JC type all day 

[] You say Sarr will be a bust with the Hawks.  See Evidence from you in this very post: Me being sold on him being a bust is much deeper than, he just thinks he's a bust. You said Edey could be a MVP with the Hawks (greatest thing since sliced bread is how I interpret that).  Have you not said he would be an MVP?  If you are joking about something, then put it in the original post because I take most of your draft posts as being serious posts.

 I'm not trying to convince you the Hawks should take Sarr. I don't think you are some idiot for wanting Edey. If that's who you want, that's who you want. I do know that I'm not going to continually try to convince you to like Sarr when I know you have already made up your mind based on your research and feelings. 

Why are we posting the same thing over and over when no one is changing the other's mind? You have presented a plethora of evidence in this and other threads to support your opinion as have others to support theirs. 

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3 hours ago, NBASupes said:

[] a debate of facts.  []

A debate is when people bring a different view point, which you have, but the issue is there are no new facts being presented. We know that you think Sarr will be a bust and Edey will be the greatest thing since sliced bread. 

There is no naunce in the conversation.  If someone says something positive about Sarr, your posts have a counterpoint of negativity with no way for Sarr to improve on your expectations with the Hawks, but he can with other teams. 

What are we supposed to debate? 

21 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

I’ll add this:

I’m never doing a deal with the Heat or the Lakers if I’m Atlanta.

 

Throw the Spurs in there for now too.

Nah, give me Devin Vassell...

58 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

So would every other team and most players would get overpayed like the great cap explosion of 2016 like we did with Bazemore. 

So naah....I'm good.

Yeah that's why I said its better in a way.

Just now, KB21 said:

I also totally get the concerns that he is going to get wedged some by bigger stronger bodies early in his career, and I think that will become less of a concern as he fills out his body and gains strength.  He's going to be a completely different player from a physical standpoint when he's 22 than he is when he's 19.  The Hawks have a very innovative approach to strength and conditioning, and they specifically tailor things to the players and their position.  So, he's going to be working on things with strength and conditioning that will translate.  

My concern and I believe his concern as well is he may lose some of his quickness with bulking up.  They have to find a happy medium if he's the pick. 

I hate the NBA is smoothing the cap.  The Hawks could have had big money to spend, but this makes it better in a way. 

SSS alert, but didn't realize he hit his final 19 free throws.  That's pretty impressive. 

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ROUND 1

1. Atlanta Hawks

 

Alex Sarr, PF/C, Perth (Australia) | Age: 19.0

The Hawks jumped all way from No. 10 to 1 in the draft lottery, a rare stroke of luck that gives the team a chance to select a different caliber of prospect than the one their front office was preparing to pick all season. In an interview at the combine, general manager Landry Fields said he plans to "cast a wide net" in evaluating the Hawks' options at No. 1, which makes sense in a class with no consensus top prospect. Fields flew to France at the conclusion of the combine to watch potential No. 1 pick candidate Zaccharie Risacher drop 14 points with 6 rebounds in a playoff game but was not in attendance for Risacher's breakout game two days later when he had a career-high 28 points.

At this stage, NBA executives don't have a firm grasp of what the Hawks might ultimately do, as word coming out of their front office is they are still at a very early stage of decision-making and have plenty of work to do in gathering information and finding alignment. Many around the league expect the Hawks to select Sarr with the top pick, as there are compelling reasons to consider him the best prospect in this class with his elite physical tools, mobility, defensive versatility, finishing ability and potential as a perimeter shooter. He'd fit in nicely in a frontcourt alongside the likes of Jalen Johnson and Onyeka Okongwu, and should develop into a formidable rim-protector who can also cover ground on the perimeter, which is attractive in minimizing the defensive shortcomings of Trae Young.

We'd expect Fields and the Hawks front office to consider other options here as well, including Risacher, Donovan Clingan and trade opportunities. -- Givony

 

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14. Portland Trail Blazers (via Warriors)

Zach Edey, C, Purdue | Age: 22.0

Edey's incredible productivity and size profile makes him a unique option for teams looking to develop a big in this part of the draft. While it's probable he winds up as more of a situational role player in an NBA context due to his defensive limitations, it's also hard to totally rule out the type of impact he could still have as a play-finisher and screener. With two lottery picks and a collection of young perimeter players on the roster, Portland could stand to experiment here and shore up its depth behind DeAndre Ayton, considering Robert Williams III' struggles to stay healthy. -- Woo

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4. San Antonio Spurs

Rob Dillingham, PG, Kentucky | Age: 19.3

As the only team holding two picks in the top 10, the Spurs have an intriguing opportunity to take multiple big swings as they work to build a competitive roster out around Victor Wembanyama. Considering their glaring need in the backcourt, expect San Antonio to target a guard, with players like Sheppard, Dillingham, Stephon Castle and Nikola Topic profiling as top candidates. In addition to order of preference, the other strategic question San Antonio has to answer is how to make these two picks work in conjunction: It could feasibly target a different position at No. 4, and still wind up with a guard it's comfortable with at No. 8.

Dillingham has been one of the most polarizing prospects in the draft, with some scouts projecting him as more of a microwave bench scorer due to his defensive shortcomings, and others seeing a Darius Garland-like upside if he can refine his game enough to handle a starting role. His shot-creation ability and offensive upside -- as well as the level of defensive cover he'd have with Wembanyama behind him -- makes him an intriguing upside bet for the Spurs specifically. -- Woo

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8. San Antonio Spurs

Tidjane Salaun, PF, Cholet (France) | Age: 18.7

Salaun turned in an excellent performance last week in the French LNB playoffs and has closed the season on a more productive stretch offensively, showcasing his tools, energy, and flashes of talent as a stretch forward. Yet to turn 19, Salaun offers plenty of untapped upside, making him an intriguing lottery name in an uncertain draft where long-view organizations will want to swing big on potential.

San Antonio looks like a viable top-end landing spot for Salaun, particularly if it opts for a guard at No. 4; he might offer more optimal spacing and athleticism from the four spot than Jeremy Sochan in the long run, and as a potential complementary player alongside star countryman Wembanyama. -- Woo

Other prospects and who they think the Spurs will take.